I agree with Wranglers post #95
And you keep moving around too much for me to remain interested in the back and forths, its like playing whack a mole with all the disinformation.
One thing I strongly oppose Trump on
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I agree with Wranglers post #95
And you keep moving around too much for me to remain interested in the back and forths, its like playing whack a mole with all the disinformation.
Well we shall see if there is a final product and it rewards Putin and rapes Ukraine of land and money .
Issues about pay back to the US and rare earth elements are a side issue.
Teh major issue to get peace is the resolution of these crimes:
1. Russia invaded without provocation a sovereign nation
2. russia took and annexed land away from a sovereign nation.
3. Russia kidnapped tens of thousands of Ukranians
4. Russia has destroyed dozens of towns
5. Russia has killed intentionally tens of thousands of non -combatants.
No land to Russia
No Putin demanding elections
Russia does not get back into the G-7
Confiscate all Russian funds to reconstruct Ukraine that wasd destroyed by russia.
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I just hope Trump is not doing the bidding of the Davos crowd and the Bilderberg's
Wrangler
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You’ve been corrected many times now of how NATO provoked Russia!
Your analysis begins showing how you are a victim of globalist propaganda.
Well if that is truye, that is bad for Zelensky.
However for Pres. Trump to talk about Ukraine having to give up land that was stolen from them publicly, and to take Putins talking point of having an election before Putin would talk is super bad looking on Trumps part. Putin is the villain here and to end this war he needs to have penalties imposed on him! Not talk about getting him back in the G-7, letting him keep land he stole, and not talk of reparations for the massive destruction he caused in Ukraine.
And if Zelensky is as corrupt as some say- too bad. Putin is far worse and that is jjst the pot calling the kettle black. We need to think of the nation.
I have no problem with the US wanting payback. After all that is what Europe has done with their aid. BUT to give Putin any concessions is criminal.
Wrangler
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Foolish indoctrination. Stealing is a legal concept that does not apply to war. Stealing has stealth as its root. Russia did not steal this land; they took it by force of arms, which is always liable to happen in war.
Cultural Marxists want to deny spoils of war always existed.
Ukraine played a stupid game.
They win stupid prizes.
Possession is 9 tenths of the law. Russia possesses this land now from a war that Ukraine lost. Odd that you oppose Trump speaking the truth of the lost war.
Taken
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Taken
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An astute understanding of the Current situation between Russia and Ukraine requires knowledge of the complex history of the Soviet empire and surrounding lands.
Wrangler
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From this.
"Trump to governors at the White House: 'I've had very good talks with Putin, and I've had not such good talks with Ukraine. They don't have any cards, but they play it tough'" AFP's Danny Kemp posted on X.
"Trump to governors at the White House: 'I've had very good talks with Putin, and I've had not such good talks with Ukraine. They don't have any cards, but they play it tough'" AFP's Danny Kemp posted on X.
The West has totaly no regards for such regarding all of Russia and Ukraine's past History in fact !
What happened after Russian Communist folded was that Games were played ? Stupid Games were played in fact by Ukraine and big money people who played such totaly criminal games and also funding of full on of building up Nazis in fact, to creat nothing but trouble, G Soros is one of the main Criminals in such Games !
But the MSM work so as to hide one of the bigest criminals in History G Soros ! who is a Nazi and created most of the funding for the Nazis in Ukraine in fact ! But we see the MSM Hiding everything and anything regarding the Nazis in Ukraine ! It's as if such just does not exist !
The MSM Propaganda machine ! is full of Communist and Nazi tactics in fact ! look at all of the total BS that they peddle about Trump in fact ! they are so Evil ! and most people do not understand the workings of Communist or Nazis in fact, totaly blind to all such workings in fact !
So we will wake up one day and say how did the whole world become Communist ! The Day is coming ! The Great Satan ! our true foundations of real freedoms has been undermined for how many years now ? Only Trump stands in their way and some people are now waking up that they have been undermined on every angle in fact, moral standards have become an abomination, our Nations are debt Slaves !
There is a book that was written many years ago, in how to undermine Russia to become Communist and then set the rest of the world on the same deal in fact and if one reads this book you will see that every point has been and is at hand in the workings for years. They are clearly playing to the tune of this abomination ! no one could be so stupid not to see it's all the workings of such !
But the people who love the darkness do not like the Light in fact, for they maybe exposed ! That's the Key issue as to why such a power exist in this world in fact ! for when I talk to such people who love the darkness, I find that they all have no Virtue in fact ! for they are just Slobs !
Now they may not understand that they love the darkness truly ? because they lack Virtue in fact ! That's where they fail ! why because they are Slobs !
Look at how easy it is to creat Wars ! even nowadays ! and have the backing for killing millions of people, with totaly no regards at all in fact !
All one needs is to have a Propagander and MSM !
People fell for all of Hitlers tricks in Germany, as was the same is Communist Russia !
Then Look at how the USA got kick started for War in WW2 !
The President FDR was in suport for Japan to make a strike on the USA in fact !
FDR totaly let that all happen ! they totaly knew the Japs were coming in fact ! and the top dude of the Naval command in that area was sacked on the spot for not going along with them ! He totaly refused ! to let the Japs do such an attack ! so they just found one to lead such in Command who had no Virtue, that would be happy to sell the USA people in the Navy out like that !
We the People should not be dupes, just stupid idiot slobs, for such will reap what they have sown in fact !
We should all be on guard 24/7 against people who lack Virtue in fact, for such are a curse !
When I left school I thought that my Nation would be on the path to greatness as would all others ! Ha ha oh boy ! how wrong I was ! I do not see the world has advanced at all regarding humans becoming more evolved, if you could call something such ? but such has gone down hill for sure and is de evolving ? Nowadays Grubs are lording it all over people and saying they fear freedom of speech !
Triumph1300
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Grailhunter
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Got a little secret for you that very few know. Russia and China are not going to nuke anyone.
On August 6 and 9 1945 we nuked Japan and the war was over and the Battleship USS Missouri pulled into their harbor and Japan surrendered on her decks. And our enemies were silenced and none of them considered attacking the US for fear that they would “get some”
But now nuclear weapons are old technology, that is one of the reason that nuclear ballistic missiles have not been upgraded.
When 911 happened that put President Bush in a rough position….He could complexly take out several middle east countries and give up the facts about secret weapons or rage a war that cost very few US casualties. He did a pretty good job.
At the time I was helping to install the Raytheon Patriot Missile System in Jerusalem and training the Jews. Before I left the Jews were figuring out ways to improve it….LOL…now they call it the Iron Dome and “shared” that technology with us. Shared…it cost us a couple billion.
Now the funny is that Israel and the US have some shared “secrets” .....well Russia know something about them. The US has about a dozen weapons systems that are catastrophic. Since the time of nuclear weapons the US can reduce countries the size of Russia and China to the technical age of the 1800’s, nothing electrical will work. Shutting down their militaries, cities, and medical systems. And that would cause a lot of them to starve to death.
No big booms, no destroying cities, no radiation, and no killing a lot of people…just a bunch of people with guns and horses having to deal with starving people in their own countries….begging the US and its allies for help. We can take a country out in less than 20 minutes.
So nuclear weapons are old technology and dirty and messy. And by know our enemies have heard the rumors that there is no defense against weapons that could complete disarm them and then they would be at the mercy of their enemies.
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Ziggy
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So Zelensky caved and gave all mineral rights to the US.
We basically own Ukraine after all the money that's been flooded in there.
The only way to secure peace between Russia and Ukraine is to keep it a neutral zone as agreed in the Minsk agreements.
You know how many biolabs US had in Ukraine? Did you know there is a Chyna, Ukraine?
And the plandemic began in Chyna. Under Obama's watch.
Trump is going to end the war and Russia will abide by it's borders. Europe will cry like little schoolgirls because they lost their money laundering, human trafficking slush fund.
I can't wait for all the Declas to come flooding out of the CIA and the FBI, DNI and all the other agencies that have been living off the blood of young people sent to war for their delicacies.
The hammer is about to drop on the Epstein list. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
What an awesome time to be alive.
Hugs
We basically own Ukraine after all the money that's been flooded in there.
The only way to secure peace between Russia and Ukraine is to keep it a neutral zone as agreed in the Minsk agreements.
You know how many biolabs US had in Ukraine? Did you know there is a Chyna, Ukraine?
And the plandemic began in Chyna. Under Obama's watch.
Trump is going to end the war and Russia will abide by it's borders. Europe will cry like little schoolgirls because they lost their money laundering, human trafficking slush fund.
I can't wait for all the Declas to come flooding out of the CIA and the FBI, DNI and all the other agencies that have been living off the blood of young people sent to war for their delicacies.
The hammer is about to drop on the Epstein list. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
What an awesome time to be alive.
Hugs
Wrangler
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Zelensky is operating under at least 6 false beliefs:
- Ukraine is a defacto NATO member.
- Ukraine will formerly become a NATO member.
- NATO will provide unlimited resources for Ukraine to win the war on Ukraine's terms.
- Ukraine's 2014 borders will be restored as terms to conclude the war, i.e., land controlled now by Russian forces will not continue to be considered Russia after the war.
- He will not be held accountable by the US for missing half of the $175B given to him.*
- He will remain in power after the war.
An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA “forward operating bases” along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.
Within days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government
The entire narrative that defending Ukraine is to "save democracy" is a lie perpetrated by the Deep State supporting the globalist agenda of regime change to globalist supporting puppets.
US ‘plans to attack seven Muslim states’
Presidential hopeful General Wesley Clark says the White House devised a five-year plan after the 9/11 strikes to attack seven majority-Muslim countries.
Thank God Tulsi Gabbard is the Director of National Intelligence who has the will and support of the American people to clean house at the Deep State CIA, who as a long history of acting on it's own accord to achieve mischief and regime change, including the Iraq War and WMD narrative. This has to stop. Perpetual war does not benefit the common man.
Zelensky has been a terrible leader for Ukraine with so many killed and so much of its country destroyed, reminiscent of the betrayal by Hitler of the German people. A rational leader would sue for peace, all things considered. Undoubtedly, this is the basis for Trump saying he only has 4% approval in Ukraine. Trump may visit Moscow in May with the hope of announcing an end to the war. Zelensky, not Putin, is the obstacle to peace because of these false beliefs. Trump: Ukrainians 'Don't Have Any Cards' to Play
"Trump to governors at the White House: 'I've had very good talks with Putin, and I've had not such good talks with Ukraine. They don't have any cards, but they play it tough'" AFP's Danny Kemp posted on X.
Earlier Friday, Trump reportedly said Zelenskyy "makes it very hard to make deals" as the U.S. president tries to end Ukraine's war against Russia.
"Trump continues to criticize Zelensky in Brian Kilmeade radio interview: "I don't think he's very important to be at meetings, to be honest with you. He's been there for three years. He makes it very hard to make deals,"
* I previously posted $250B but now believe $175B is the correct number.
Zelensky is operating under at least 6 false beliefs:
Regarding this last false belief, from this article, CIA in Ukraine: Why is this not seen as provocation?:
- Ukraine is a defacto NATO member.
- Ukraine will formerly become a NATO member.
- NATO will provide unlimited resources for Ukraine to win the war on Ukraine's terms.
- Ukraine's 2014 borders will be restored as terms to conclude the war, i.e., land controlled now by Russian forces will not continue to be considered Russia after the war.
- He will not be held accountable by the US for missing half of the $175B given to him.*
- He will remain in power after the war.
An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA “forward operating bases” along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.Within days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government
The entire narrative that defending Ukraine is to "save democracy" is a lie perpetrated by the Deep State supporting the globalist agenda of regime change to globalist supporting puppets.
US ‘plans to attack seven Muslim states’
Presidential hopeful General Wesley Clark says the White House devised a five-year plan after the 9/11 strikes to attack seven majority-Muslim countries.www.aljazeera.com
Thank God Tulsi Gabbard is the Director of National Intelligence who has the will and support of the American people to clean house at the Deep State CIA, who as a long history of acting on it's own accord to achieve mischief and regime change, including the Iraq War and WMD narrative. This has to stop. Perpetual war does not benefit the common man.
Zelensky has been a terrible leader for Ukraine with so many killed and so much of its country destroyed, reminiscent of the betrayal by Hitler of the German people. A rational leader would sue for peace, all things considered. Undoubtedly, this is the basis for Trump saying he only has 4% approval in Ukraine. Trump may visit Moscow in May with the hope of announcing an end to the war. Zelensky, not Putin, is the obstacle to peace because of these false beliefs. Trump: Ukrainians 'Don't Have Any Cards' to Play
"Trump to governors at the White House: 'I've had very good talks with Putin, and I've had not such good talks with Ukraine. They don't have any cards, but they play it tough'" AFP's Danny Kemp posted on X.Earlier Friday, Trump reportedly said Zelenskyy "makes it very hard to make deals" as the U.S. president tries to end Ukraine's war against Russia."Trump continues to criticize Zelensky in Brian Kilmeade radio interview: "I don't think he's very important to be at meetings, to be honest with you. He's been there for three years. He makes it very hard to make deals,"
* I previously posted $250B but now believe $175B is the correct number.
Whenever I hear it's "to save democracy" or "to save the earth" I always find I have to take a much closer look, especially when there is a tidal wave of well meaning virtue signalers who will fall right in line right behind these grifts.
Triumph1300
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Russia possesses a total of 5,580 nuclear warheads as of 2024, the largest confirmed stockpile of nuclear warheads in the world.
Don't take a chance when a rat is cornered.
Don't take a chance when a rat is cornered.
Triumph1300
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Doesn't matter how complex teh history is. Ukraine was declared (with Russian support) to be a sovereign nation with defined borders. Russia invaded that sovereign nation and stole land. History may be complex- but sin is not.
Taken
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Of course history matters.
Of course the terms of a “grant” matters.
If the Terms of a “grant” are Violated…
The Grant CAN be Threatened, Revoked or Forced.
Land has “been” as you Say “stolen”…but rather “historically”, (Even in Scripture)… claimed, conquered, sold, bought, granted with terms for centuries.
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