Wrangler
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Wrong. Globalist propaganda! Russia was reacting to NATO aggression - eastward expansion into Ukraine, violating agreements from the end of the Soviet Union.
One thing I strongly oppose Trump on
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Ronald David Bruno
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Does that warrant war that has amounted to multiple cities obliterated and 62k Ukrainian lives lost? That's pretty aggressive. Putin is evil but
Zelenski IS NO SAINT.
Taken
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Why?
A coup style corrupt Ukrainian prezy and dishonor of keeping agreement per independence from Russia?
Ukraine has a long history with Russia…through Communist days, Restructure to Socialist Republics, 60% similar language and Literal Families living on both sides of the border.
If Soros was admittedly funding the protests there back in 2013-2014 you can pretty much bet all you have on that one.
If their was no oil or Gas in Ukraine, you would see that the people who wanted such went down this road, with for it all pushing for this idiot stupid foolish War. With no regard to peoples lives at all in fact ! They truly wanted it all !
Russia has every right to the East parts of Ukraine in fact and with this, then and only then will Peace will be truly assured for all people in the Lands in fact !
That's what people have to look towards, can keeping the Peace be realistic for now and the future !
If we can save just one persons life, would it be worth it ?
Triumph1300
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Totally correct Wrangler.
People don't know history.
Similar situation during the Cuban missile crisis.
The Russians moved missile bases next door.
The US did not like it.
Similar situation during the Ukrainian crisis.
Nato nations moved missiles next door.
The Russians don't like it.
History repeats itself in reverse.
Volodymyr Zelensky, the current president of Ukraine, identifies as Jewish. He was born to Jewish parents in Kryvyi Rih, Ukraine, and grew up in a family that was part of the Soviet Jewish community. Despite his Jewish heritage, Zelenskyy does not consider himself religious and has stated that he was raised in an "ordinary Soviet Jewish family" without strong religious practices.5 He has taken actions to combat anti-Semitism, such as signing a law against it in 2021.3 However, his Jewish identity has not hindered his acceptance as a national leader, and he has been embraced by many Ukrainians as a symbol of the nation.
Ever see him on Youtube dancing? Check out
"Zelensky Dancing in high heels" 
Grailhunter
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It is mean spirited but Military historians and strategists say that give Ukraine war a year and it will weaken and demoralize the Russian military so bad it will not be able defend itself not to mention destroy its economy.
Mean spirited because a lot of Ukrainians will die…..but Ukraine will be in a better position to recover because the Ukrainians will look like heroes and world will respect them and help them.
Mean spirited because a lot of Ukrainians will die…..but Ukraine will be in a better position to recover because the Ukrainians will look like heroes and world will respect them and help them.
Ronald David Bruno
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I'm waiting for Trump to demand that China pays us back for giving us Covid-19!
"The estimated cumulative financial costs of the COVID-19 pandemic related to the lost output and health reduction is shown in Table 1. The total cost is estimated at more than $16 trillion, or roughly 90% of annual GDP of the United States. For a family of 4, the estimated loss would be nearly $200,000."
That's lots of money, 100x what we gave Ukraine.
They should cancel all debts we have to them. That still wouldn't be enough. If they don't approve we should start weaning ourselves off Chinese products, buy them from any other country, bring our investors back here. It would take many years.
Rockerduck
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I've been kicked off of other forums for saying the exact thing years ago. Even news outlets went to people's houses and asked how much Chinese furniture and appliances you have. Many were shocked. We are getting ripped off by USA companies selling cheap Chinese furniture to us for big bucks.
Ronald David Bruno
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Too much Chinese products. Probably most of what is in Walmart is made in China. I just looked it up - $459 billion/yr. Then retailers quadruple that price. Let's saybwith discounting and lots ofbfolks buying online we pay double that amount
Round it off to $1 trillion/yr. That is 3% of our GDP. Still, I expected it was more than that. High tariffs don't amount to much and we end up paying for them. So maybe it wouldn't be that much of a strain to do without Chinese products? We can keep the Chinese food though.
Wow, GDP for 2024 is $30 Trillion. To think that China has 4x the population and their GDP is 2/3 of ours is impressive.
Ahhhhh, doesn't matter I guess ... come Lord Jesus!
Wrangler
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1st, the casualties of this war are not only on the Ukrainian side. The casualties are over 1 million people.
2nd, the aggressiveness ought to be laid at the feet of NATO, which has become the very evil it was created to oppose.
3rd, Putin won re-election with 88% of the vote, which is more than Zelensky can say since he canceled the election, revealing himself to be a dictator. You are a victim of a psych-op, the mantra of "protecting democracy" is a lie.
The US has spent over $250B protecting Ukraine's border, far more than it has spent protecting its own border. And Trump revealed that half the money is MISSING, meaning this is just one big money laundering operation. Dehumanizing the enemy is a common motif and your terms for peace show lots of evil in your heart, seeking vengeance on the victims of this war.
4th, You admit Zelensky is no saint but give his evil a pass in regarding what terms you want for peace. Worse, no retribution for NATO, who started the war, is part of your peace plan, further evidence of the evil that is in your heart. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine and possession is 9/10's of the law you keep talking about. The evil that is in your heart to dislodge Russia's 20% possession of Ukraine is more war.
5th, Russian's response is warranted as NATO's eastern expansion constitutes an act of war. NATO miscalculated Russia's willingness to protect its security. Frankly, if I were to advise Putin, I would adopt JFK's moral clarity in recognizing Ukraine as a puppet (as Cuba was) and any attacks by Ukraine on Russia with NATO munitions will result in a direct attack on NATO countries.
The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
Art of War
This explains why the church supports the war. This war would not have lasted 2 weeks if not for military support from NATO, which proves who the real enemy of the Russian people are. That Putin has restrained his response indicates a desire not to expand the war as it should (per the Art of War) - not the evil man you suppose he is - and his willingness for a negotiated peace. A negotiated peace that only Trump has the courage to pursue.
Regarding your purpose in starting this thread, that Trump has not YET involved Zelensky in the talks for peace, you got nothing to say about my initial reply. There is nothing wrong with Big Daddy talking separately to both sides to lay the ground work for a peace settlement.
Since you started this thread, what predictably emerged is Zelensky is an obstacle to peace, Trump attacks Ukraine again: Treasury Secy made a 'dangerous trip' but Zelenskyy was 'sleeping' | The Economic Times Podcast. He was installed for this purpose and does not want it to end or acknowledge that he lost the war he could never win.
6th, if I were advising Trump, I'd suggest after negotiating an end to this war that the US withdraw from NATO. It's outlived its usefulness and has become a mischievous tool our Founding Father's warned us about. In addition, I'd work to have Russia become one of our closest allies, establish a Christian alliance.
7th, did you ever read anything in the Bible about blessed are the peacemakers? It doesn't seem like it.
Wrangler
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Maybe you are unaware that DOGE found we are complicit in its development via USAID funding.
Behold
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Zelensky is the villain.
He was elected, and the election is a bombastic scam.........but you can find out more about that.........with some study.
So, Zelenskyy's election... was based on ONE THING>.
"We do not want a war with Russia... said the Ukraine voters... and this issue with Donbas Russians, inside this Country.. where our army is killing them, for over a decade, and Putin is going to make this stop.... and we dont want that">.
So, Zelenskyy was elected to sign the "MINSK Agreement" that was created by some Euro nations that would end this pending invasion, that is based on Russians in the Donbas region of the Ukraine being harmed for years, and reaching out to Putin for help.
So what happens?
Zelensky is voted in, and then the USA contacts him and gets Him to NOT sign the "Minsk Treaty" and that eventually led to the invasion..
Who contacted Him.
The "deep state" "military complex" inside the USA, ... some Legislators... who were responsible for the Air Bases and Chemical Labs that they and Nato had built inside the Ukraine, to threaten Russia.
So, that is something else that Putin could not allow......so, that has been resolved by invasion.
In 2022.. Putin again tried to get Zelensky to stop harming the Russians inside the Ukraine... in this one area (Donbas) and He would not stop...
And once the Invasion began he was again given the opportunity to allow these Russians in this area to be autonomous... and He said... "i will not trade land for Peace".
"i will not trade land for peace", and so, you see what has happened to the Ukraine that HE CHOSE.
He'll be out soon enough, and that is the best thing that ever happened to the Ukraine...........other then never electing Him to begin with...
Its wonderful that Trump understands what is really going on here, as this Evil man, basically owned the world wide media for a couple of years......
Had Trump not been elected then this war with Russia whereby the USA's "deep state", was using the Ukraine to try to harm Russia and drag the world into WW3..........would have continued.
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Ronald David Bruno
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Not at all, I said both sides are evil. You are distorting and misinterpreting my posts.
I heard $170 billion and yes it was a scheme to put money in the Deep State pockets. Trump has only begun to uncover the corruption of the Biden Adminstration. But it started way before that.
I did not give anyone a pass, I am not a judge or official delegate in this matter- we are just discussing the topic. Thankfully none of these war's will be left for us opinionated bystanders to solve. But those who are truly led by the Spirit will make right decisions.
I detest both of those guys and all the Dem Party!
The terms for peace are more complicated, for which I have little information to formulate such a deal. I just gave my opinion: The damage is done, they can't go back, so draw the line where you are ( whether a loss or gain), stop fighting and move on.
But I think I've had enough of your cheap and false accusations! BYE.
Wrangler
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Oh? Show me the post where you detailed painful consequences against NATO and Ukraine like you did against Russia.
Wrangler
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This vid affirms Zelensky is an obstacle to peace, refusing to even talk about path forwards. Partnering with Russia is the smart move for Trump, who is open to a negotiated peace.
Eternally Grateful
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Actually they met with Zelensky. They made some agreements, then Zelesnky came out and lied to the media saying he rejected everything.
The moment he did that is the moment he lost the ability to sit.. he can not be trusted.
also. no matter what deal is made. Zelensky will have to sign off on it.
concerning meeting with Zelenski
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