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Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.






These are some of the people Doug claims are safe.
Doug says all of them are safe just like Ezekiel 38 says.





You sure about that Doug?
You sure all.of the people in Israel today dwell safely?
All of them?
 

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Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

These are some of the people Doug claims are safe.
Doug says all of them are safe just like Ezekiel 38 says.


You sure about that Doug?
You sure all.of the people in Israel today dwell safely?
All of them?
Ezekiel 38-39 the Gog/Magog event has not happened yet. But it appears as though Trump and Israel are making a concentrated effort in putting Hamas out of business. So that is how close to Gog/Magog is.

But before Gog/Magog, the little horn person must be revealed who he is. So a lot of things could be happening soon.


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Ezekiel 38-39 the Gog/Magog event has not happened yet. But it appears as though Trump and Israel are making a concentrated effort in putting Hamas out of business. So that is how close to Gog/Magog is.

But before Gog/Magog, the little horn person must be revealed who he is. So a lot of things could be happening soon.


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Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.






These are some of the people Doug claims are safe.
Doug says all of them are safe just like Ezekiel 38 says.

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Hamas says Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mom are dead, and their bodies will be sent back to Israel this week

Hamas’ youngest hostages, Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mother are dead and their bodies will be returned to Israel this week, the terror group said in ghoulish announcement on Tuesday.…
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You sure about that Doug?
You sure all.of the people in Israel today dwell safely?
All of them?
 

Douggg

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Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

These are some of the people Doug claims are safe.
Doug says all of them are safe just like Ezekiel 38 says.

nypost.com

Hamas says Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mom are dead, and their bodies will be sent back to Israel this week

Hamas’ youngest hostages, Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mother are dead and their bodies will be returned to Israel this week, the terror group said in ghoulish announcement on Tuesday.…
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You sure about that Doug?
You sure all.of the people in Israel today dwell safely?
All of them?
You are repeating yourself. I already responded in my post #244.

If terrorism is eliminated then all of the people in Israel will be dwelling in safety. And since Trump and Israel are making a concentrated effort to put Hamas out of business - then that sort of dwelling in safety will be at hand - the condition for the Gog/Magog event.

And on top of that, before Gog/Magog happens, the little horn person must be revealed who he is by becoming the leader over a panel ten EU leaders.
 
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Read Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16 as to when the Gog/Magog event takes place. It is talking about present day Israel.
You just said Ezekiel 38 is present day Israel

You claim everyone in Israel dwells safely.

Tell me why these children died since you claim.they dwell safely ,all of them


Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.






These are some of the people Doug claims are safe.
Doug says all of them are safe just like Ezekiel 38 says.

nypost.com


Hamas says Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mom are dead, and their bodies will be sent back to Israel this week

Hamas’ youngest hostages, Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mother are dead and their bodies will be returned to Israel this week, the terror group said in ghoulish announcement on Tuesday.…
nypost.com

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Why are they dead Doug?
You said they are safe.
 

tailgator

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Somebody lied when they said this verse is present day Israel.

Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.





No one in present day Israel dwells safely.
Not one.
 

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You just said Ezekiel 38 is present day Israel

You claim everyone in Israel dwells safely.

Tell me why these children died since you claim.they dwell safely ,all of them
You are repeating yourself.

Your point is that all of the people in Israel are not living in safety because of terrorism.

And I am responding that Trump and Israel are making a concentrated effort to put Hamas out of business. Which if successful, the terrorism will stop and the condition for Ezekiel 38-39 will be at hand.
Didn't Trump recently get some sort of peace award by some Israeli group ?

And I also saying that before the Gog/Magog event, the little horn person must be revealed who he is by becoming the leader over a panel of ten EU leaders.

So that is two things to watch for, that could be happening soon.
 
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Somebody lied when they said this verse is present day Israel.
It is present day Israel because the Jews taking part in its May 14, 1948 re-establishment have come out of the nations. Also, in 1967, Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews.
 

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No one in present day Israel dwells safely.
Not one.

Peace and Safety for Humans from a Spirit God “is Spiritual Peace and Safety.”
Yes, that applies to Believers alike JEWS and GENTLES.

Humans habitat Earth (dwelling place) is full of chaos, turmoil, tribulations of humans against humans, and will eventually be defeated, along with the end of mortality.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Peace and Safety for Humans from a Spirit God “is Spiritual Peace and Safety.”
Yes, that applies to Believers alike JEWS and GENTLES.

Humans habitat Earth (dwelling place) is full of chaos, turmoil, tribulations of humans against humans, and will eventually be defeated, along with the end of mortality.

Glory to God,
Taken

John 14;
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

The peace Jesus gives believers is peace of mind and heart that they are right with God knowing that they have been forgiven and atoned for of their sins by the power of his shed blood on the cross, and have eternal life, by the grace, mercy, and Love of God. And the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, living in the souls of believers, testifying of God's Love and Truth.

I am sure that @tailgator agrees with that. But what we were discussing is the condition of the people in Israel as a whole feeling that they are living in a safe and peaceful society. He was pointing out that terrorism in Israel detracts from that feeling.

While I was pointing out the dynamics of reaching that condition that precedes Gog/Magog appears to be enhanced by Trump's and Israel's efforts to put Hamas and other terrorist groups out of business.
 
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If you've read popular books written by the Pre-trib Rapture theory authors like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye, then you're probably familiar with all the chaos and war and famine, and destruction, etc., that they teach the coming "great tribulation" is going to be like.

But did you not know that God's Word instead reveals the future time of "great tribulation" is going to be a time of WORLD PEACE? (that is, for the deceived it will be).

Tim LaHaye wrote a Left-Behind books series, something like 13 books, which were used to make movies with also. And it's all about the sudden disappearance of the Church, while everyone else is left behind, and wondering what happened to those raptured folks!

Did you even know that some airline companies have a policy for their pilots, that if one pilot is a Christian, then the other pilot must not be? That's in case of the rapture while in flight, there will still be someone left-behind to fly the airplane, they think! Crazy! Oh but I'm sure Lindsay and LaHaye loved that idea.

Those of us in Christ Jesus who actually do... listen to Him in HIS Word, don't have to worry about any of those 'scare' tactics pushed by those on man's false pre-trib rapture theory. That because there are no such rapture ideas written of PRIOR to the "great tribulation". Instead Lord Jesus revealed His coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the "great tribulation", not before it (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27). Apostle Paul taught the same timing of Christ's future coming and His gathering His Church, to be after that "man of sin" of 2 Thessalonians 2 is revealed, with Jesus destroying him with the brightness of His coming.

In our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse, while He was upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples, He revealed events like nation against nation, war, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, etc., and then He said those things were "the beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:6-8). But He did not say those things will be for the time of "great tribulation".

I know, I know, just the phrase "great tribulation" sounds like that time of "the beginning of sorrows" ought to be the "great tribulation", but it is not what defines what the coming "great tribulation" will be like. It will be a time of great tests upon the Church, I'm not denying that.

But Lord Jesus gave us a clue in the following, revealing a tidbit of what 'kind'... of time the "great tribulation" will actually be...

Matt 24:6
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.
KJV

How many times have you heard pre-trib rapture preaches quote the above verse in blue, but leave out that last phrase in red? What's that phrase in red about?

I can't remember in English grammar what it's called, but that last phrase in red above is the OPPOSITE IDEA of that "wars and rumors of wars". That means ALL... wars will have stopped, and instead it means a time of WORLD PEACE.
My friend believes as you do about the rapture and he wrote a book about it, he studied for years
 

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John 14;
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

The peace Jesus gives believers is peace of mind and heart that they are right with God knowing that they have been forgiven and atoned for of their sins by the power of his shed blood on the cross, and have eternal life, by the grace, mercy, and Love of God. And the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, living in the souls of believers, testifying of God's Love and Truth.

I am sure that @tailgator agrees with that. But what we were discussing is the condition of the people in Israel as a whole feeling that they are living in a safe and peaceful society. He was pointing out that terrorism in Israel detracts from that feeling.

While I was pointing out the dynamics of reaching that condition that precedes Gog/Magog appears to be enhanced by Trump's and Israel's efforts to put Hamas and other terrorist groups out of business.
I got both yours and tailgaters points.

Belief…non-belief….
Rich…poor…
Peace…chaos…
Safety…danger

Etc. All have limited Carnal understanding and some have Spiritual understanding.
Having Spiritual understanding changes the dynamics of ones perspective.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

tailgator

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You are repeating yourself.

Your point is that all of the people in Israel are not living in safety because of terrorism.

And I am responding that Trump and Israel are making a concentrated effort to put Hamas out of business. Which if successful, the terrorism will stop and the condition for Ezekiel 38-39 will be at hand.
Didn't Trump recently get some sort of peace award by some Israeli group ?

And I also saying that before the Gog/Magog event, the little horn person must be revealed who he is by becoming the leader over a panel of ten EU leaders.

So that is two things to watch for, that could be happening soon.
False
Trump will not save Israel as you claim.

No one in Israel dwells safely because the people in Israel today are not the people who dwell safely in Israel after they are brought up out of the graves in Ezekiel. 37


You lied when you said the people in Israel today dwell safely


Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.



No one who lives in Israel dwells safely.
No one.
 

tailgator

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It is present day Israel because the Jews taking part in its May 14, 1948 re-establishment have come out of the nations. Also, in 1967, Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews.
The people who come out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 have Messiah reigning over them.


Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.



The people in Israel today do not have Messiah reigning over them.Theyvwere not gathered by the Lord at his coming.


You lie when you say the people In Israel today dwell safely.

No one in Israel today is safe.No one.
 

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Peace and Safety for Humans from a Spirit God “is Spiritual Peace and Safety.”
Yes, that applies to Believers alike JEWS and GENTLES.

Humans habitat Earth (dwelling place) is full of chaos, turmoil, tribulations of humans against humans, and will eventually be defeated, along with the end of mortality.

Glory to God,
Taken
It's a lie to say these people dwelt safely in Israel.
They are dead .



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Hamas says Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mom are dead, and their bodies will be sent back to Israel this week

Hamas’ youngest hostages, Kfir and Ariel Bibas, 2 and 5, and their mother are dead and their bodies will be returned to Israel this week, the terror group said in ghoulish announcement on Tuesday.…
nypost.com




These people did not come out of their graves in Ezekiel 37.They are about to be buried in their graves.
 

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False
Trump will not save Israel as you claim.
I did not say Trump will "save" Israel.
The people who come out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 have Messiah reigning over them.
Jesus returns before the parable of the fig tree generation passes away. The fig tree represents Jerusalem.
1967 + 70 years = 2037 sometime before then. So minus 7 years is 2030 that the Gog/Magog event will happen before the end of 2030.

Jesus return is in Ezekiel 39:21-29. Have your read Ezekiel 39 yet ? Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Go read those.


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I did not say Trump will "save" Israel.

Jesus returns before the parable of the fig tree generation passes away. The fig tree represents Jerusalem.
1967 + 70 years = 2037 sometime before then. So minus 7 years is 2030 that the Gog/Magog event will happen before the end of 2030.

Jesus return is in Ezekiel 39:21-29. Have your read Ezekiel 39 yet ? Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Go read those.


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Ezekiel 37 takes place before Ezekiel 39.

Jesus comes and raises the dead in Ezekiel 37. The dead are brought up out of their graves and brought into the land of Israel.
There ,the elect reign with Christ .
After 1000 years ,Gog and the nations come against the resurected saints who dwell safely(all of them)and fire comes down from heaven and destroys Gog.

No one in Israel today dwells safely .
You lie when you say they all dwell safely.


Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.



No one in Israel dwells safely today.No one.
 

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Ezekiel 37 takes place before Ezekiel 39.

Jesus comes and raises the dead in Ezekiel 37. The dead are brought up out of their graves and brought into the land of Israel.
Part of Ezekiel 37 has taken place. Israel a nation again in the land of Israel.

Jesus has not returned yet to rule over Israel. That part of Ezekiel 37 is yet to be fulfilled.

Jesus's return is in Ezekiel 39:21-29. Have your read Ezekiel 39 yet ? Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Go read those.