amigo de christo
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do me a favor and explain what the LIE is . do your best . what lie is this you cliam many are now believing .
Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming
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Ronald Nolette
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Well why don't you try to speak in a way that people understand and let us find out.
And Scott hate to break it to you, but you look through that same glass as all believers do. You are not special.
The specific "lie" spoken of and reported by Paul, was not believing what Jesus said and promise of the timing of His return, and then alternatively teaching a false doctrine of fulfillment in the distant future.
However, what Jesus actually said (speaking to those of that day and referring to them personally as "you") "hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven” (Matthew 26:64) "hereafter" originally defined as "now", and also "after"; and "I am coming quickly (originally defined as "soon", and "without delay")" (Revelation 3:11, 22:7, 22:12, and 22:20); and regarding events he also said they "must shorty take place" (Revelation 1:1, and 22:6).
As long as you take that attitude, you remain under the dim view. On the contrary, it is not for me to "speak in a way people understand", but that people should yield to the need of "the renewing of your mind" (Romans 12:2).
Meanwhile, No...all do not see through the "same glass as all believers." That is completely wrong. For "He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers" (Ephesians 4:11), and "we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us" (Romans 12:4-6).
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As long as men call on the Lord to be saved, then the Day of the Lord is still in the future.
As long as the sun and moon are still shining The the Day of the Lord has not yet happened.
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’ Acts 2:14-21
I do understand that what you have quoted can and has been interpreted to be future. However, Peter was quoting Joel who did prophecy of the future, and yet Peter announced the prophecy as having begun by the evidence of what was experienced that very day. Which, indeed, does not explain all of the prophecy clearly as all occurring that day.
But Paul according to the word of God coming "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little", did continue with greater understanding, saying that the day of the Lord's coming would continue "but each one in his own order." Which granted, still does not explain all--because "all" of the mystery was not to be finished until just before the sounding of the seventh angel.
This is that time.
For which it is given to me to proclaim that those things that seemingly remain unfulfilled, do also occur in the same manner "but each one in his own order." However, the words being "sealed" and 'restrained" according to all that is written, were given in parable or riddle--not according to the observation of those remaining, but only to those whose passing included the things of the spirit and of heaven.
As for the mormons, they received further revelation from their prophets, besides the New Testament already finalized by it's Book of Revelation.
Talking to their representatives, one comes to mind, they claim their dead saints have gone to be with the Lord in Heaven.
But according to Apostle Paul, an 'instrument of Christ', in his epistle proclaimed, that the dead in Christ are 'asleep'.
And in the 'future event', at the sound of the trumpet, the dead (in Christ) shall be raised, and we (the living) shall all be changed. (1Corinthians15:51-53)
To this, ScottA's god calls him to proclaim, that it is 'lie' foretold by Apostle Paul since, as is the will of his god.
The reason is, by this his god caused a 'strong delusion' on his church, ever since and for over 2,000 years now.
Also, the 'rapture' foretold by Apostle Paul is another 'lie', devised by his very god since.
Today ScottA's god reveals, that true 'rapture' is being born again of the Holy Ghost here on earth.
And Christ's second coming for His saints, is when everyone accept Him in their hearts, He's already come.
ScottA even quoted from Revelation to verify, that Christ stands at the door and knocks.
And if any one opens, He will come in and dine with them, hence second coming is 'fulfilled'.
Today ScottA's god sent him to proclaim to us this new revelation and 'more' as the 'truth'.
And ScottA strongly claims to be a 'prophet' of this god, whom only today have come out of 'hibernation'.
Where this god out of compassion, throwing to us the present church, 'a lifeline', to come out from the 'lie'.
Are we to rejoice, then what about those who've died with the 'lie' since the beginning and forth, not a chance knowing the 'truth'??
Apparently when things don't add up, the 'red flag' is up!
1 John 4:
1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
6. We are of GOD: he that knoweth GOD heareth us: he that is not of GOD heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
2 Timothy 3:
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15. And that from a child (born again) thou hast known the Holy scriptures (Holy Bible), which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Talking to their representatives, one comes to mind, they claim their dead saints have gone to be with the Lord in Heaven.
But according to Apostle Paul, an 'instrument of Christ', in his epistle proclaimed, that the dead in Christ are 'asleep'.
And in the 'future event', at the sound of the trumpet, the dead (in Christ) shall be raised, and we (the living) shall all be changed. (1Corinthians15:51-53)
To this, ScottA's god calls him to proclaim, that it is 'lie' foretold by Apostle Paul since, as is the will of his god.
The reason is, by this his god caused a 'strong delusion' on his church, ever since and for over 2,000 years now.
Also, the 'rapture' foretold by Apostle Paul is another 'lie', devised by his very god since.
Today ScottA's god reveals, that true 'rapture' is being born again of the Holy Ghost here on earth.
And Christ's second coming for His saints, is when everyone accept Him in their hearts, He's already come.
ScottA even quoted from Revelation to verify, that Christ stands at the door and knocks.
And if any one opens, He will come in and dine with them, hence second coming is 'fulfilled'.
Today ScottA's god sent him to proclaim to us this new revelation and 'more' as the 'truth'.
And ScottA strongly claims to be a 'prophet' of this god, whom only today have come out of 'hibernation'.
Where this god out of compassion, throwing to us the present church, 'a lifeline', to come out from the 'lie'.
Are we to rejoice, then what about those who've died with the 'lie' since the beginning and forth, not a chance knowing the 'truth'??
Apparently when things don't add up, the 'red flag' is up!
1 John 4:
1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
6. We are of GOD: he that knoweth GOD heareth us: he that is not of GOD heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
2 Timothy 3:
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15. And that from a child (born again) thou hast known the Holy scriptures (Holy Bible), which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
YOU ARE MISQUOTING ME. STOP IT OR I WILL REPORT YOU.
That apparently is the problem--you have not even comprehended what I have actually said.
Ronald Nolette
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Well we know you take all the word of God as a parable- but you are wrong:
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
So do you fancy yourself as an apostle or prophet or pastor or teacher?
I do not "fancy myself", but know that the Spirit speaks through me in accord with what He has said and is written.
And you should be asking yourself why that bothers you so much.
Ronald Nolette
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Because you have uttered false statements.
but let me sk you directlyt and ask you answer thse things.
1. Do you believe in transubstantiation? why you sim ply won't say yes or no is quite disturbing
2. Are you a member of a local church?
3. Have you been confirmed by a pastor or group of pastors as having a special gift?
- I answered you on this already. Pay more attention.
- I and my wife are regular attendees at a local church.
- I have been confirmed first and foremost by God, and also Paul and John.
Ronald Nolette
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For one- please answer yes or no. I may have missed it.
2. By regular do you mean faitrhfully8 as much as possible?
3. All gift ministries are first and foremost by god. but they need to be confirmed by the elders of your church! Paul and John cannot directly tell you you have a unique ministry for this time. Pastors and elders do that now!
- The fact that I more than answered but also explained and you find that disturbing, is not only all the more disturbing, but quite telling.
- Regularly is faithfully.
- No, the confirmation you are describing comes from the customs and teachings of men. Were God's servants the prophets of old confirmed by the elders? No, but just the opposite. As for Paul and John they prophesied of me. As for where, why should I show you what you are openly against?
Ronald Nolette
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Well all I remember is you saying you did not know what it means. So I have been seeking clarity since I gave you the difintion. No detailed answer or even a simply yes or no has not been given since.
#2. Okay. On these forums many of the type of answers you gave have been very misleading, so I asked to not misunderstand you.
#3 No the confirmation of men comes straight from the Scriptures and the call of the church.
1 Timothy 5:22
Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
Titus 1:5-9
King James Version
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Acts 1:20-22
King James Version
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Even Paul had his ministry confirmed by the elders of the church.
We are not living in the Old Testament but in the New. And Paul and JOhn spoke of you? what specifically did they say about you?
And how will you know if I am openly oppossed to what you say unless you say it?
I have framed for you who is greater among those sent by God, i.e. a prophet or apostle is sent directly, but not an elder or a bishop. Which is to say, I have told you enough about me (why should I give witness of myself--would you have me boast, when my words are not my own?)
As for more information, I recommend you do more study.
Ronald Nolette
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So do you believe yourself an apostle or prophet? Even Paul submitted himself to the leaders of the church for validation
Galatians 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
If you are part of a local church you have a command:
Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Jesus sent the Apostles- and they are now dead and laid hands and ordained the leaders of the church who have continued this to today. There are no more Apostles. Prophets are members in particular of the church.
If you have not been validated by a local church and their elders, you are operating out of the way Jesus operates with believers.
You are a rogue Christian. Sorry if that offends you but it is the truth. It matters not how many books you have written or speeches made, you need to be under submission for your sake and the churches sake.
Ephesians 4:11-13
King James Version
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Even Paul was submitted to the Church:
Acts 13:2
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Even though the Lord works through individuals, those individuals are submitted unto the authority of the Lord as held by pastors Not in the RCC way but in the biblical way.
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