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amadeus

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I have studied/written extensively about this subject. Six or seven topic links in the OP.

Doctrinal unity doesn't exist and never will. IMHO
Here's the most important question that I discovered about this subject. Which became a topic title.

Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?


The resounding response from posters on the topic was, "NO WAY!"
Although, I suppose that is the Protestant response.

The core concern is WHO decides what set of doctrines EVERYONE will align under.
The knee-jerk reaction is to say, "The Bible." Problem being, there is no consensus on what the Bible means.

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Do not put limits on God. You say that doctrinal unity will never exist thereby doubting the power of our God.

Would I surrender my own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity? Yes [a resounding response], if and when the Holy Spirit led and directed me to do so.

Who decides what doctrines for everyone to align under? God does.

Is anyone already where God wants him to be in this? God knows!

Is what is written in the "Bible" involved in God decision? I believe so, yes, but again let us not insist on putting God in my own, or your own or someone else's own box! Let God leads us!
 
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What does "real unity" look like?

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Those who now have the "eyes to see" know the answer. Who are they?
1co 13:12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but Then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
When is the Then?
 
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Those who now have the "eyes to see" know the answer. Who are they?
1co 13:12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but Then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
When is the Then?
That means not in this lifetime, correct?

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That means not in this lifetime, correct?

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How well was Jesus able to see the things of God while he walked as a man on planet Earth? How much like Jesus are we able to be while we walk here on planet Earth? Consider the man whose eyes Jesus touched a second time here:

Mr 8:23And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mr 8:24And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mr 8:25After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
Did the man have to wait until his physical lifetime was ended before his physical vision was fully restored? Why should we have to wait before our spiritual eyes are able to see the things of God clearly? Is God not able?
 
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You created a hypothetical situation that would not happen at my church.
No I have merely responded to your post and replies which at no point have been critical of false teaching, if anything your posts have emptied a willing acceptance of such teaching.
 
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No I have merely responded to your post and replies which at no point have been critical of false teaching, if anything your posts have emptied a willing acceptance of such teaching.
That's a common misconception about me.

I am always willing to hear someone give their views without casting judgment. That doesn't mean that I receive or accept everything they say. I only seek to understand them.

I probably allow more latitude in the beliefs of others than you do, Which you see as a concern. I appreciate that. Thanks.

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I like the response from @Rita in post #5. Thanks, Rita! Well said.

Differences = held opinions
Unity = accepting others despite differences

We tend to fight over differences of opinion. This is where division comes from.
If we can discuss differences and accept others, this is where unity comes from.

You might say that someone's opinion is unbiblical, therefore should not be acceptable.
But typically they had biblical reasons for their opinion, therefore it was NOT unbiblical.

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Two opposing views cannot both be biblical.
 

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Two opposing views cannot both be biblical.
I'm familiar with that claim. Vote.


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Since doctrinal unity is impossible, allowing others to hold their own doctrinal opinions may be the only way to prevent division.
God in the Bible offered a simple way to shut our mouths for our arguments: the wedding feast in the Third Temple. When the mouths are busy chewing food, everyone is silent.

24 refectory halls on three sides of the outer courtyard, each hall with 8 tables, each table with 12 seats, in the four corners of the outer courtyard are kitchens where kebabs are fried for the feast. A feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

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