Who or What is Babylon the Great? How do God’s people come to be in her?
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Now, @quietthinker did not say that!
Everyone sees your strawman (twisted) responses.
Would Jesus do that?
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Hobie
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Death will be no more, it ends at the Lake of Fire.
QT clearly implied such!
Now you speak for everyone? lol
Do you believe the Christian Bible is the written Word of God? Jesus is God? Hell Fire is FOREVER???
Thank you for the encouragement and prayers….I am only a messenger…..the message belongs to Jehovah through his son, and it is my job as one of his disciples to try and convey that message as best I can. These forums allow me to communicate more effectively to people who want to learn more about the Bible and what it really says, as opposed to what many ‘think’ it says.
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I admit though that I can be long winded, but the Bible is a big book, and there is much to say about it’s teachings that have been carved up into a staggering number of denominations….sincere people want the truth and sincere hearts will find it….our God will see to it. (John 6:65)
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Yes, exactly! Good job! Who taught you this truth?
(Rev.20 says “death is thrown into the lake of fire.” The very next chapter, 21 (verse four), explains “death will be no more.”)
Of course, this death is death that humans experience, due to Adam’s sin. (Romans 5:12) It would not include the death of animals.
It’s also interesting to note how Revelation 20:13 is worded:
“And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.”
It makes a distinction between those who’ve died in “the sea”, and those in “death” and “the Grave” (Hades, which is also translated Hell).
Why the distinction? Because Hell (ie., the Grave) is specifically about those who’ve died due to the ravaging results of sin inherited from Adam: sickness and old age.
But not all who’ve died, died from sickness and old age; some have died due to accidents, getting shot, or by some other means, maybe fire.
And there were others, who drowned and were lost in the ocean.
Where it says these “gave up” their dead, it’s speaking of the Resurrection.
At that time, even Hell (the Grave) will be “thrown into the lake of fire.”-vs.14
Hell will be gone forever! However, the lake of fire will always exist.
Take care, my cousin.
Hobie
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Those who come out of Babylon will be saved as her wine(doctrines) have spread into many of the daughter churches...
Well, Babylon the Great is also called a “woman”. (Revelation 17:3-5) That’s symbolic. So is “city.”
Revelation 18:24 says of Babylon the Great,
“in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
There’s no one literal city that is responsible for “all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Maybe better questions are “Why is she called a harlot? How does that fit?”
Ronald Nolette
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Well there is a city called Babylon and it has been rebuilt! We know when a woman is used symbolically it always means a nation or religious system.
Thie Babylonian religious system is the mother of all harlots (false religious systems)
Now Babylon is the first political system that persecuted people. all nations that persecuted bel;ievers have been Babylonianish.
But there is nothing at all to imply the city is symbolic.
If it is what is it a symbol of?
who are the merchants a symbol of?
What is all the merchandise a symbol of?
What are the ships a symbol of?
How are Gods people in something that is not physical? would believers be in the 666 religion or the whore church?
Hobie
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Of a church that has turned into a harlot, in other word has apostacized and corrupted the truth, and still is here today. Not hard to discern who it is...
quietthinker
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would it be a fair consideration to say, the woman which appeared as the pure one has morphed into an impure one?
Hobie
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Yes, the early church was the pure woman that John knew. So he was amazed when he saw it had turned into a harlot as Rome took it over and brought in its pagan rites and doctrines and corrupted her.
Yes! Babylon is a one-world system, and it’s an evil one! Its focus is to remove Christ from everything. This system is referred to as a “whore” in the book of Revelation. God tells is to have nothing to do with her. Get out!
Hobie
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If you worship on its day of the sun, Sunday, you are still in it and follow it...
quietthinker
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I worship on the day of the sun, the day of the moon, the day you can choose , the day you can wed, the day of thurs and fri and sat. That should about cover 'em. If I've missed any, let me know.
I know, I know Hobie, you want to let me know that the sitting day is the day you are supposed to worship on....and what does worship mean to you anyway? ...and why is worship consigned to a particular time period?
I think certain folk over in Palestine revere a particular day for worship; they also revere shooting missiles at others. How does that work?
Hobie
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They came to worship on Sabbath in the synagogues, but the Jews in their pride, would not allow them, seeing them as Gentiles. Thus the divide which caused what we see today, read your history..
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