God's Hatred

RedFan · Sep 23, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
You're still ignoring the fact that Jesus Himself said I must hate my family if I want to follow Him.

You hate your family? Because you've been commanded to hate them? Wow. Talk about taking things out of context!

Luke 2:48-49 in my Bible: "When his parents saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, ‘Child, why have you treated us like this? Look, your father and I have been searching for you in great anxiety.’ He said to them, ‘Why were you searching for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?"

Luke 2:48-49 in Christian Soldier's Bible: "When his parents saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, ‘Child, why have you treated us like this? Look, your father and I have been searching for you in great anxiety.’ He said to them, 'I hate you guys! F%#k off!"

Jack · Sep 23, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
You're still ignoring the fact that Jesus Himself said I must hate my family if I want to follow Him. Your accusing me of being evil, just because I obey the Lord God.

You pick the parts you like and ignore the rest!

Christian Soldier said:
You can't pretend to be a follower of Christ (Christian) and then not obey Him. I don't know why your being willfully ignorant

Good luck with your gospel of Hatred. I'll stick with Jesus!

Matthew 5:44
44 But I say to you, love your enemies,

Christian Soldier · Sep 24, 2024

Taken said:
God's Hatred

Yes…. God HATES “things” and “people”.
Yes…. God LOVES “all people”.
No…. God IS not romantically “IN” LOVE with People.

Yes…. Man HATES “things” and “people”
Yes… Man is Romantically IN LOVE with people.
Yes… Man LOVES “things” and “people”.

Yes…. Man is taught, commanded to LOVE all people.
Yes… Man is taught, commanded to HATE people.

Is it POSSIBLE…to “LOVE and HATE” the “Same Things” ? YES
Is it POSSIBLE…to “LOVE and HATE” the
“Same Person” ? YES
Is it POSSIBLE…to “LOVE and HATE” the
“Same Person(S) ? YES

I can LOVE the “artwork” of a particular drawing.
I can HATE the SAME “artwork” tatted on the skin of a human.

I can LOVE a person and HATE his Behavior, his Philosophy, his Ethics, his Speech, his Deceit, etc.

I can LOVE a “group” of SAME minded Person(S) and HATE their Behaviors, Philosophies, etc.

When a man….LOVES another….with ALL his Heart….(it is ROMANTIC)….regardless of the behaviors, philosophies, ethics, speech, deceit.

When a man …LOVES the Lord God….with ALL his Heart….(it is NOT ROMANTIC)….it IS: ALL Inclusive…OF Agreement WITH the Lord God, of/in His Word, His Power, His Wisdom, His Wholeness, His Order and His Way.

Confusing? Conundrum?

LIKELY, if one does NOT understand the DIFFERENCES between…
LOVE, LIKE, DISLIKE, HATE, ABHORE

LOVE and HATE are “NOT” OPPOSITES.
LOVE and ABHOR ARE OPPOSITES

God IS LOVE…
WHAT “IS” LOVE?

Love IS ALWAYS DOING what is BEST/RIGHT.
(For oneself…and ….For/toward Another)…Regardless of the consequences.

WHAT “IS” LIKE?
Similitudes of “particular” things..

WHAT “IS” UNLIKE ?
Particular “things” that are NOT similar.

WHAT “IS” DISLIKE?
One NOT in agreement with “UNLIKE” things.

WHAT “IS” HATE?
A “STRONG DISLIKE” of particular things or persons.

Yes…
The Lord God CAN and DOES…
LOVE and HATE the SAME PERSONS, Groups of Persons and things.
AND…Scripture gives examples of particular MEN God HATES…and WHY.
As well particular THINGS God HATES…and WHY.

Yes…
Men can and do as well…LOVE and HATE the Same persons, groups of persons and things.

Love IS NOT a crime.
Hate IS NOT a crime.

A man Who Abhor’s a man, may lose a brother, a friend.

A man Who Abhor’s the Lord God, shall lose a Savior.

Glory to God,
Taken

I was encouraged to read through the above, and I almost got through it without finding any fault with it, until I got to the part where you said that;

"The Lord God CAN and DOES.... LOVE and HATE the SAME PERSONS, Group of Persons and things".

I accept the fact that man can love and hate at the same time, but I don't believe that it's true of God. Mankind is fallen and our love and hate can change from day to day, because we are not immutable like God is.

Numbers chapter 2 says, “God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.” In Malachi chapter 3, God says, “I the Lord do not change.” Hebrews talks about “the unchangeable character of his purpose,” and in 2 Timothy we read that “if we are faithless, he remains faithful—for [God] cannot deny himself.” (In other words, God cannot deny His own immutability. His unchangeability is unchangeable.)

Psalm 139:21-22 tells us that we should join God in His holy hatred of these people: "Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord …? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies." The New Testament says the same in Revelation 2:6.

How are we to understand this? In some cases, hate simply means "love less." In Luke 14:26 we find Jesus saying that we must hate the members of our own families if we want to follow Him, while in the parallel passage in Matthew 10:37, Jesus says we must love them less than we love Him. That kind of "soft" explanation, however, won't work in the passages we cited above. God did not love Esau less than Jacob; He did not love Esau in any saving way at all.

It is Psalm 139:21-22 that gives us an important perspective on this matter. To hate someone is to count him as an enemy and to treat him as an enemy. In the Bible, hatred is not an emotion primarily, but rather a covenant action. Those who treat God as an enemy will find God treating them the same way. Since they are His enemies, and He "hates" them, He will destroy them.

The "soft" and the "hard" senses of hatred can be put together this way: When the Bible speaks of God's loving someone, it means He has chosen to favor them; when it speaks of God's hating someone, it means He has chosen not to favor them. Thus, we are to favor Christ and not favor the members of our families. Thus, God favored Jacob and did not favor Esau. Thus, we favor God's friends and we do not favor God's enemies (Psalm 139).

Favoring is a choice, not an emotion. When family members attack the church, we must choose to side with Christ. When God favors us, it means He elects us; those He disfavors, He leaves to their own damnation.

Taken · Sep 24, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
I was encouraged to read through the above, and I almost got through it without finding any fault with it, until I got to the part where you said that;

"The Lord God CAN and DOES.... LOVE and HATE the SAME PERSONS, Group of Persons and things".

I accept the fact that man can love and hate at the same time, but I don't believe that it's true of God. Mankind is fallen and our love and hate can change from day to day, because we are not immutable like God is.

Numbers chapter 2 says, “God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.” In Malachi chapter 3, God says, “I the Lord do not change.” Hebrews talks about “the unchangeable character of his purpose,” and in 2 Timothy we read that “if we are faithless, he remains faithful—for [God] cannot deny himself.” (In other words, God cannot deny His own immutability. His unchangeability is unchangeable.)

Psalm 139:21-22 tells us that we should join God in His holy hatred of these people: "Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord …? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies." The New Testament says the same in Revelation 2:6.

How are we to understand this? In some cases, hate simply means "love less." In Luke 14:26 we find Jesus saying that we must hate the members of our own families if we want to follow Him, while in the parallel passage in Matthew 10:37, Jesus says we must love them less than we love Him. That kind of "soft" explanation, however, won't work in the passages we cited above. God did not love Esau less than Jacob; He did not love Esau in any saving way at all.

It is Psalm 139:21-22 that gives us an important perspective on this matter. To hate someone is to count him as an enemy and to treat him as an enemy. In the Bible, hatred is not an emotion primarily, but rather a covenant action. Those who treat God as an enemy will find God treating them the same way. Since they are His enemies, and He "hates" them, He will destroy them.

The "soft" and the "hard" senses of hatred can be put together this way: When the Bible speaks of God's loving someone, it means He has chosen to favor them; when it speaks of God's hating someone, it means He has chosen not to favor them. Thus, we are to favor Christ and not favor the members of our families. Thus, God favored Jacob and did not favor Esau. Thus, we favor God's friends and we do not favor God's enemies (Psalm 139).

Favoring is a choice, not an emotion. When family members attack the church, we must choose to side with Christ. When God favors us, it means He elects us; those He disfavors, He leaves to their own damnation.

Hate means a strong DISLIKE…
Hating a person at any given time, does NOT diminish the LOVE for an other.

And agree, some are favored, for their qualities to never step on the side of being “hated”.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Christian Soldier · Sep 24, 2024

RedFan said:
You hate your family? Because you've been commanded to hate them? Wow. Talk about taking things out of context!

Luke 2:48-49 in my Bible: "When his parents saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, ‘Child, why have you treated us like this? Look, your father and I have been searching for you in great anxiety.’ He said to them, ‘Why were you searching for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?"

Luke 2:48-49 in Christian Soldier's Bible: "When his parents saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, ‘Child, why have you treated us like this? Look, your father and I have been searching for you in great anxiety.’ He said to them, 'I hate you guys! F%#k off!"

I'm not sure how you interpret what Jesus said about hating your family. You haven't shared your opinion and I don't know what to make of it. I see you don't like what Jesus said, so instead of dealing with the issue you sidestepped it and you go on to cite Luke 2:48-49, which is an unrelated passage of scripture.

Instead of simply saying that I took what Jesus said, out of context. How about you correct me and tell me what the truth of the matter is. We can't simple sweep those terrible bible doctrines, under the rug. We need to deal with them, otherwise we're holding to false doctrine.

RedFan · Sep 24, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
I'm not sure how you interpret what Jesus said about hating your family. You haven't shared your opinion and I don't know what to make of it. I see you don't like what Jesus said, so instead of dealing with the issue you sidestepped it and you go on to cite Luke 2:48-49, which is an unrelated passage of scripture.

Instead of simply saying that I took what Jesus said, out of context. How about you correct me and tell me what the truth of the matter is. We can't simple sweep those terrible bible doctrines, under the rug. We need to deal with them, otherwise we're holding to false doctrine.

That is a fair request (although I cannot agree that Luke 2:48-49 and Luke 14:26 are unrelated).

The truth of the matter in Luke 14:26 -- "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" -- is that we are to prioritize allegiance to Christ above all else. The "hate" here is not to be taken literally. And nobody does. (If you did, you would have committed suicide by now, in order to hate your own life. Instead, you follow John 12:25, contrasting the love and the "hate" of one's life in a prioritizing dichotomy.)

To put this in context, we need to consider other Scriptures. Mark 7:10 has to be considered. 1 Tim. 5:8 has to be considered. Even John 13:35 has to be considered. Unless you are prepared to say these verses are simply inconsistent with Luke 14:26, harmonization requires viewing "hate" as a surrogate for "turning one's back on." Some are called to turn their back on family in order to follow Jesus. There is a reward for doing so when needed, according to Mark 10:29-30. Not everyone will need to do it, but some Christians --particularly in the first century, when Christianity was an upstart religion and even martyrdom was a threat -- may be put to that test.

Christian Soldier · Sep 25, 2024

RedFan said:
That is a fair request (although I cannot agree that Luke 2:48-49 and Luke 14:26 are unrelated).

The truth of the matter in Luke 14:26 -- "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" -- is that we are to prioritize allegiance to Christ above all else. The "hate" here is not to be taken literally. And nobody does. (If you did, you would have committed suicide by now, in order to hate your own life. Instead, you follow John 12:25, contrasting the love and the "hate" of one's life in a prioritizing dichotomy.)

To put this in context, we need to consider other Scriptures. Mark 7:10 has to be considered. 1 Tim. 5:8 has to be considered. Even John 13:35 has to be considered. Unless you are prepared to say these verses are simply inconsistent with Luke 14:26, harmonization requires viewing "hate" as a surrogate for "turning one's back on." Some are called to turn their back on family in order to follow Jesus. There is a reward for doing so when needed, according to Mark 10:29-30. Not everyone will need to do it, but some Christians --particularly in the first century, when Christianity was an upstart religion and even martyrdom was a threat -- may be put to that test.

The word hate occurs 83 times in the Old Testament and 17 times in the New Testament, not counting hated, hates and similar words.
Psalms 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.
Psalms 11:5 The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Mal. 1:2 “I have loved you,” says the LORD. But you say, “How have you loved us?” “Is not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the LORD. “Yet I have loved Jacob
3 but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.”

Hate is not a one size fits all word, it has many different meanings and applications. I know most Christians don't like the fact that Gods hates people, and this hate is not as most believe to be "love less" or "turning ones back on". No it's an eternal hatred of certain people who are going to be tormented in hell for all eternity.

We can't get our minds around how deep Gods love is or how deep His hatred is, so there's no point in trying to water down these harsh doctrines. God doesn't need anyone to water down the gospel to make it acceptable, because the gospel has the stench of death to some and at the same time it is a sweet aroma to Gods people.

Gods ways are infinitely higher than ours, so we will never understand His ways or His reasons for doing what He does. But we do know that He is perfectly righteous in everything He does.
If we simply trust and obey God, these harsh doctrines won't be a problem for us.

I had a very hard time, when I first considered the fact that most of my family, relatives and friends are going to spend eternity in hell. I just couldn't come to terms with that terrible truth, but I eventually decided to leave it in Gods hand and praise Him for everything He does, even if I don't agree with Him.

Once I embraced the truth that Gods ways are infinitely higher than mine and they are past finding out, I then accepted everything as it is because Gods is in full control of every single thing that comes to pass. He predestined everything to be exactly as it is and nothing can happen, outside of His will.
That was the most liberating bible doctrine for me, because it set me free to enjoy life without any fear or worries about anything, because God has everything in His full control.

Phoneman777 · Sep 26, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
Why are you abusing Gods Word and calling God a liar.

You shouldn't interpret sound hermeneutics as "abuse", etc.

Christian Soldier said:
The verse you mentioned, exhorts us to love our brethren. You obviously don't know the difference between "brethren" and "biological brother".

By comparing Scripture with Scripture, it's clear to any true Christian that 1 John 3:15 KJV absolutely applies to "biological brother" as well as "brethren":

1. Jesus clearly said we're to "love thy neighbor".
2. Jesus clearly shows the "non-brethren" Samaritan was more "neighbor" than the man's brethren.
3. Jesus, therefore, cleary wants us to love thy "non-brethren" neighbor.

Christian Soldier said:
As an Elect Saint of God, I'm commanded to love my fellow Saints "brethren". As opposed to the biological brother, whom I'm commanded to hate.

So, God commands us to love non-brethren pagan neighbors but hate your own mother/father/brother? The most confused individual on the planet is a "white Rastafarian" - the second most confused is a Calvinist.

Of course, God isn't commanding us to love pagans and hate our parents - "hate" means "love less".

Christian Soldier said:
May I suggest you find and join a beginners bible class, so you can learn the basics, before you embarrass yourself any further.

Calvinism dies the death it deserves right here - all that's left is to give it a proper burial.

Scott Downey · Sep 27, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
The bible describes different types of love, some types of love are sinful, such as our love of the world. I think the type love we're commanded to show our enemies is tough love, the type a Doctor has for his patient when he break's the bad news that they have cancer.

When a believer shares the gospel with his enemy, it is an act of love. Telling the enemy the bad news that they have a terminal cancer in the form of sin, is an act of love as it's like throwing them a life line to let them know that there is hope for them if they put their trust in Christ.

Jesus also said to feed our enemy if they are hungry, as doing so will heap coals of fire on their head. Loving our enemy also prevents us form being hypocrites, because God forgave us our sins while we were His enemy. Loving our enemies also keeps us from harboring hatred within ourselves, because hatred is a like a cancer as well.

God hates sin, and we should also hate sin. But we're not called to punish sinners or hate them, God is the only one who has the right to judge them and punish them. The love for our enemy is very different from the love we have for our brethren, we don't have any fellowship with our enemy and we don't affirm their sinful lifestyle so our love for them may come across as hate speech to them.

We need to live this out in our lives down here

Galatians 6

9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.

YES, the wicked are cursed, Christ will judge.

Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Wrangler · Sep 27, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
The Jesus of hate

Thanks for starting this provocative thread.

The Bible says God hates 6 things. Don’t recall the list of 6 things he loves.

Wrangler · Sep 27, 2024

I was going along with your writings until these anti-truth posts.

Christian Soldier said:
Annihilationism is taught in the Church of Satan, it is a lie which came from the pits of hell. It was conjured up by Satan, to give sinners a false hope that they won't be tormented in hell for all eternity as God promised He would do to those who die in their sin.

God never said any such thing. Again, the exact opposite is true. If death (annihilation) is not the wages of death but eternal suffering, it means Jesus did not pay for our sins and we are still damned.

Christian Soldier said:
Death is a state of being

No. Death is a state of NOT being.

Christian Soldier · Sep 27, 2024

Phoneman777 said:
You shouldn't interpret sound hermeneutics as "abuse", etc.

By comparing Scripture with Scripture, it's clear to any true Christian that 1 John 3:15 KJV absolutely applies to "biological brother" as well as "brethren":

1. Jesus clearly said we're to "love thy neighbor".
2. Jesus clearly shows the "non-brethren" Samaritan was more "neighbor" than the man's brethren.
3. Jesus, therefore, cleary wants us to love thy "non-brethren" neighbor.

So, God commands us to love non-brethren pagan neighbors but hate your own mother/father/brother? The most confused individual on the planet is a "white Rastafarian" - the second most confused is a Calvinist.

Of course, God isn't commanding us to love pagans and hate our parents - "hate" means "love less".

Calvinism dies the death it deserves right here - all that's left is to give it a proper burial.

Your Arminianism has blinded you to the point where you don't even know who to discern simple truths. Your false Arminian theology doesn't allow you to understand the the fact that words like love and hate have many different meanings, depending on the given context.

But sadly people like you look through your narrow Arminian lens and miss the most important facts because your of your narrow focus. I suggested you join a beginners bible class, just so you can learn the foundational doctrines. Sadly your are so messed up that no amount of sticky tape will hold them together.

You keep exposing you lack of knowledge by making silly comments like "hate means to love less", then you apply that to every single scripture which mentions to word hate. This is a very sad situation, as it means you're being tossed to and fro by every whim of doctrine. You don't have any foundation for your theology to stand on, so it keeps falling over and people like me have to keep correcting you.

You rubbish Calvinism, but you give no reason for doing so. That leads me to believe you're afraid of it as it exposes your false Arminian theology. It's obvious you don't even know what Calvinism teaches, so you're in no position to criticize from your fortress of ignorance.

Phoneman777 · Sep 27, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
Your Arminianism has blinded you to the point where you don't even know who to discern simple truths. Your false Arminian theology doesn't allow you to understand the the fact that words like love and hate have many different meanings, depending on the given context.

But sadly people like you look through your narrow Arminian lens and miss the most important facts because your of your narrow focus. I suggested you join a beginners bible class, just so you can learn the foundational doctrines. Sadly your are so messed up that no amount of sticky tape will hold them together.

You keep exposing you lack of knowledge by making silly comments like "hate means to love less", then you apply that to every single scripture which mentions to word hate. This is a very sad situation, as it means you're being tossed to and fro by every whim of doctrine. You don't have any foundation for your theology to stand on, so it keeps falling over and people like me have to keep correcting you.

You rubbish Calvinism, but you give no reason for doing so. That leads me to believe you're afraid of it as it exposes your false Arminian theology. It's obvious you don't even know what Calvinism teaches, so you're in no position to criticize from your fortress of ignorance.

You didn't explain how it can possibly be Biblically consistent to hate our own father/mother/siblings but love non-brethren pagan neighbors who are total strangers - you only hurled a few maledictions, which only serves to show me and others that you don't have an explanation because there is no explanation.

Furthermore, the only way to maintain Biblical consistency is to understand that "hate" doesn't always mean "absence of love" but can also mean "love less".

Proof?

After yet again describing a household of biological family "foes" arrayed against a believing man in Matthew 10, Jesus didn't say we must "hate" them, but merely warned that if love for them exceeds our love for Jesus, we can't be His disciple.

Christian Soldier · Sep 27, 2024

Scott Downey said:
We need to live this out in our lives down here

Galatians 6

9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.

YES, the wicked are cursed, Christ will judge.

Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

None of us will live out our lives, always doing good, we do grow weary and we don't take every opportunity to do good.

This doesn't mean that we can lose our salvation, but it does mean that each of us shall be rewarded according to our works. Many Christians believe that everyone who enters the Kingdom of God will receive the same reward, but the bible doesn't say this.

Cor 3:15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Rev 22:12 And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

There are many scriptures which speak about the varying rewards believers receive in heaven, just as there are varying degrees of punishment in hell. So God rewards and punishes each individual according to his works.

Christian Soldier · Sep 27, 2024

Wrangler said:
Thanks for starting this provocative thread.

The Bible says God hates 6 things. Don’t recall the list of 6 things he loves.

Yes I do recall them, so I'll list them here as they are written in the bible. I don't want to risk misquoting them so it's safer to just go by the bible, rather than my memory of them.

Proverbs 6:17-19
1. A proud look,
2. A lying tongue,
3. Hands that shed innocent blood,
4. 18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
5. Feet that are swift in running to evil,
6. A false witness who speaks lies, and who sows discord among brethren.

Many would argue and say "God hates the sin, but He loves the sinner". I don't find that idea in the bible. I do find that God laid down His life for those He chose to save before He created the world, (His elect). He didn't love us in our totally depraved state, where we were dead in our sin. He only loves us after we are regenerated and quickened to life and converted and washed and sanctified and transformed into the image of His Son.

When God does His work of salvation, our old man is put to death and we are made a new person and we are hid in Christ, so God see's us in His Son and that's why He accepts us. The work of salvation is of God from start to finish, the only thing we have to offer are our beast works and they are filthy stinking rags in Gods sight.

But we have many professing Christians pushing the Arminian works (filthy stinking rags) gospel as the way to salvation. It's where a stinking corpse saves itself, by making itself alive and changing it's nature from a totally depraved wicked one to a perfectly righteous one.

Christian Soldier · Sep 28, 2024

Wrangler said:
I was going along with your writings until these anti-truth posts.

God never said any such thing. Again, the exact opposite is true. If death (annihilation) is not the wages of death but eternal suffering, it means Jesus did not pay for our sins and we are still damned.

No. Death is a state of NOT being.

I never write about my opinion, so your problem is not with my writing. It's with God, He is the One who promised to torment some in hell for all eternity. He is the One who said they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. He is the One who made it impossible to stop existing.

If what you claim is true, then it means that God is a liar, because He promised that Adam would die on the day he ate the fruit of the forbidden tree.
Gods Word tells me that Adam did die that day, but you say he didn't and God was just talking rubbish. My bible tells me that Adams death was the first death, from which one can be saved, to never die again. But those who God doesn't save die the second death, and those wo die the second death don't have any hope of being saved from it. They remain in that dead state for all eternity.

It's strange how, you don't even know what the word "dead" means, so you just add your silly opinion and push it as true. While you rebel against god and oppose what he said about it. How many times does a person need to die in your opinion to achieve a state of not being, and where did you get that ridiculous idea anyway. I know that's a doctrine of the Church of Satan, but it's Antichrist and it comes from the father of lies.

Every single person who has ever lived will be raised from their grave and be reunited with their body on the day of judgement. Those who don't know Jesus as their Lord and Savior, will be cast into the lake of fire, where they will feel the pain of being burned and dying but they will never cease to exist or escape. Their fate is simply screaming in agony while they blaspheme the Name of God for all eternity.

The believers will receive their perfect glorified body and a perfect minds well. and they will enjoy paradise for ever and ever. Can you see the contrast, between the two states. Never mind what the heavy metal rock stars say about hell being a place where they all party. You need to take God seriously, lest you end up there yourself.

Christian Soldier · Sep 28, 2024

Phoneman777 said:
You didn't explain how it can possibly be Biblically consistent to hate our own father/mother/siblings but love non-brethren pagan neighbors who are total strangers - you only hurled a few maledictions, which only serves to show me and others that you don't have an explanation because there is no explanation.

Furthermore, the only way to maintain Biblical consistency is to understand that "hate" doesn't always mean "absence of love" but can also mean "love less".

Proof?

After yet again describing a household of biological family "foes" arrayed against a believing man in Matthew 10, Jesus didn't say we must "hate" them, but merely warned that if love for them exceeds our love for Jesus, we can't be His disciple.

Nobody is disputing what Matthew 10 is saying, it's obvious so it doesn't require any interpretation.

As for the supposed contradiction in hating your family and loving your enemy, as you already know there are many different types of love and hate. So the question is invalid, because it's based on a false premise.

I simply stated that I obey Christ, and I follow His exhortation to hate my family and myself and I love my enemies just as He commanded me to do. There's no point in trying to turn what Jesus said into some kind of silly game to gain points. You either obey Him or you don't, it that simple.

Wrangler · Sep 28, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
Many would argue and say "God hates the sin, but He loves the sinner". I don't find that idea in the bible.

I agree and found an article one time that exploded this nice - but false - idea. It is a terrible thing to come under judgment of the living God.

Wrangler · Sep 28, 2024

Christian Soldier said:
I never write about my opinion, so your problem is not with my writing. It's with God, He is the One who promised to torment some in hell for all eternity.

If that were true, you would have posted the verse that says this. Too bad you just ignored the theological implication I wrote regarding this idea means Jesus is not the Savior since he did not pay the price for sin.

PGS11 · Sep 28, 2024

Jesus is not demanding that you literally hate your family. He is using hyperbole to illustrate the steep cost of following him.

If we take a closer look at the surrounding context, the nutshell meaning of his distressing words is as clear and concise as it is radical and revolutionary. Jesus is telling his followers: “If you would be a Christian, I must have it all.” We may be scandalized by the “hate” speech, but I suspect in stumbling over Jesus’s plain talk, we can miss the real scandal of this text: There will be rivals warring for supremacy over the throne of our hearts, but our love for King Jesus must defeat every one to be his disciple.Jesus must come first or you can't be his disciple.

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