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[Eternally Grateful]

The Bible. It came from the Bible. 1 John 1:8-10 - as cited. You should read - and understand - the Word of God some time.

I have read that passage many times

it does not say what you posted, many words were added which were,not found in the origional text

You should find a Bible that does not add to the word of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again, then universalism, right?

Nope

Why are you twisting what grace is? Do you want to earn your gift? A gift can’t be earned, it can be rejected but it can not be earned

 

[Waiting on him]

In the context of Jesus words, it means to remain alive until he returns, endure the great tribulation, do nothing give up

2 Timothy 1:10 KJV
[10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
He’s already returned.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2 Timothy 1:10 KJV
[10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
He’s already returned.

He will return bodily again at the end of the tribulation period.
What you showed was not his return, he did that when he first came

 

[Waiting on him]

He will return bodily again at the end of the tribulation period.
What you showed was not his return, he did that when he first came

John 14:21-23 KJV
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. [22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? [23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Greek: ἐμφανίζω
Transliteration: emphanizō
Pronunciation: em-fan-id'-zo
Definition: From G1717; to exhibit (in person) or disclose (by words): - appear declare (plainly) inform (will) manifest shew signify.
KJV Usage: inform (3x), be manifest (2x), appear (2x), signify (1x), show (1x), declare plainly (1x).
Occurs: 10
In verses: 10

Are you certain, this is very important?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 14:21-23 KJV
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. [22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? [23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Greek: ἐμφανίζω
Transliteration: emphanizō
Pronunciation: em-fan-id'-zo
Definition: From G1717; to exhibit (in person) or disclose (by words): - appear declare (plainly) inform (will) manifest shew signify.
KJV Usage: inform (3x), be manifest (2x), appear (2x), signify (1x), show (1x), declare plainly (1x).
Occurs: 10
In verses: 10

Are you certain, this is very important?

That’s coming into me

I am about Jesus returning to Jerusalem

2 different events

 

[FHII]

In matt 24, the context is until the return of Christ at the end of the tribulation period

Yep, I see that. But he was talking to his disciples that were with him at the time. According to some in this discussion that doesn't apply to us!

It is a good observation though. I do believe we are in the end of times so I do believe it applies to us. Of course, probably many others in past generations felt the same, yet it wasn't. Perhaps it isn't so with us either. I believe it is the right way to think however. Watch and be ready.

"Endure to the end" I submit means that when you have been called you must stay until God says you are done in this mortal life. If you receive the calling and hear the truth and then turn away from it, you have not endured and (while I do believe in predestination) you were NEVER predestinated for eternal life. You cannot be a new creature or born again and then go back to the old creature. In that case you were ALWAYS the old creature pretending to be a new creature.

 

[Waiting on him]

That’s coming into me

I am about Jesus returning to Jerusalem

2 different events

We are His body.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yep, I see that. But he was talking to his disciples that were with him at the time. According to some in this discussion that doesn't apply to us!

It is a good observation though. I do believe we are in the end of times so I do believe it applies to us. Of course, probably many others in past generations felt the same, yet it wasn't. Perhaps it isn't so with us either. I believe it is the right way to think however. Watch and be ready.

"Endure to the end" I submit means that when you have been called you must stay until God says you are done in this mortal life. If you receive the calling and hear the truth and then turn away from it, you have not endured and (while I do believe in predestination) you were NEVER predestinated for eternal life. You cannot be a new creature or born again and then go back to the old creature. In that case you were ALWAYS the old creature pretending to be a new creature.

I guess it’s ok, even though I disagree, as long as we do not say this is required to be saved, that would make salvation based on us. Not Christ

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are His body.

Yes

but he is coming back

it says in matt 24, that if he did not come back no flesh would survive, but for the sake of the elect.

the davidic covenant also says Jesus will sit on David’s throne and rule the world fro Jerusalem. Scripture says this will be for a thousand years. And even then people will reject him.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes

but he is coming back

it says in matt 24, that if he did not come back no flesh would survive, but for the sake of the elect.

the davidic covenant also says Jesus will sit on David’s throne and rule the world fro Jerusalem. Scripture says this will be for a thousand years. And even then people will reject him.

We are His temple.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-10 KJV
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? [6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. [7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

it’s not the Holy Spirit that prevents and is taken out of the way.

It’s me!

 

[FHII]

I guess it’s ok, even though I disagree, as long as we do not say this is required to be saved, that would make salvation based on us. Not Christ

EG, grace comes by and through faith. Yes, its a free gift and unearned, but it is not given to everyone. Its given to those that have faith. Its not given by works of the flesh, but by the good works of the spiritual man in us. Do the faithful deserve grace? No! Their righteousness is just as filthy as the unfaithful. But the faithful are the recipients of grace. They get the free gift.

Maybe I am mistaken. Is there a verse in the Bible that says those who don't have faith get grace?

 

[Illuminator]

Yep, I see that. But he was talking to his disciples that were with him at the time. According to some in this discussion that doesn't apply to us!

It is a good observation though. I do believe we are in the end of times so I do believe it applies to us. Of course, probably many others in past generations felt the same, yet it wasn't. Perhaps it isn't so with us either. I believe it is the right way to think however. Watch and be ready.

"Endure to the end" I submit means that when you have been called you must stay until God says you are done in this mortal life. If you receive the calling and hear the truth and then turn away from it, you have not endured and (while I do believe in predestination) you were NEVER predestinated for eternal life. You cannot be a new creature or born again and then go back to the old creature. In that case you were ALWAYS the old creature pretending to be a new creature.

There is no way to tell pretenders apart, not very assuring IMO.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are His temple.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-10 KJV
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? [6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. [7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

it’s not the Holy Spirit that prevents and is taken out of the way.

It’s me!

The temple spoken here is the temple in Jerusalem.

it is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, which causes the ceasing of sacrifice and offering

it’s not us, it’s a physical temple

a study of the OT concerning end times would be of great value to you

 

[Wrangler]

Nope

Why are you twisting what grace is?

LOL if you are not a universalist, then you are twisting what grace is - at least, not acknowledging the limits of grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

EG, grace comes by and through faith. Yes, its a free gift and unearned, but it is not given to everyone. Its given to those that have faith. Its not given by works of the flesh, but by the good works of the spiritual man in us. Do the faithful deserve grace? No! Their righteousness is just as filthy as the unfaithful. But the faithful are the recipients of grace. They get the free gift.

Maybe I am mistaken. Is there a verse in the Bible that says those who don't have faith get grace?

I do not think you understand what I said

how does faith and enduring till the end relate?

one is the work of God, the other is our own work.

I recieve eternal life the moment I place my faith in Christ, not after enduring till the end.

 

[Wrangler]

I have read that passage many times

Not a good translation like I cited.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL if you are not a universalist, then you are twisting what grace is - at least, not acknowledging the limits of grace.

There is only one limit of grace

he who does not believe is condemned already

once again, you can’t earn grace but you can reject it.

 

[Wrangler]

There is only one limit of grace

he who does not believe is condemned already

That is how it is earned. If grace has a requirement, then meeting that requirement is earned.

Said differently, except for all the exceptions, there are no exceptions. Just word play. If grace had no earned element, universalism would be proper doctrine.

 

[Illuminator]

I do not think you understand what I said

how does faith and enduring till the end relate?

one is the work of God, the other is our own work.

I receive eternal life the moment I place my faith in Christ, not after enduring till the end.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Paul uses "running a race" as a metaphor for enduring to the end. You say you have the prize, therefore you don't need to run.