Once Saved Always Saved

[Waiting on him]

the fruit of the Spirit which abides and remains, though tried by fire?
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Amen.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So now you're admitting I'm a Christian? Make up your mind. OSASers here have indeed declared me as unsaved. If you deny that you're not being honest!

What’s truthful is you are defensive. And if you really trusted god and were secure you could not care less what I said.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I would actually be happy if OSAS is true, but it's not.

Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Yep so true

if your faith is in law you will add works of the law to grace, like circumcision, which means your faith was never in God.

strike 2 on the passages you used to try to convince me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

FALSE- The ruse is on you, God NEVER saves those who believe they can ACCEPT the life preserver (salvation)! They are dead and drowning.



I beg to differ. People like you just do not understand OSAS, and yes the passages used are not taken out of context and do pertain ONLY to believers!



The reason many turned their backs on the Lord Jesus is because of what He said in verse 65:

“And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me (Joh 6:44; 37), except it were given unto him of my Father.”

Sorry, you don't seem to display yourself as a believer.

To God Be The Glory

Jesus told them why they walked away,

John 6: But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

 

[Wrangler]

if your faith is in law you will add works

I came across this today. Notice the conditional construct of the sentence.


8 If we go around bragging, “We have no sin,” then we are fooling ourselves and are strangers to the truth. 9 But if we own up to our sins, God shows that He is faithful and just by forgiving us of our sins and purifying us from the pollution of all the bad things we have done. 10 If we say, “We have not sinned,” then we depict God as a liar and show that we have not let His word find its way into our hearts.
1 John 1:8-10 (Voice)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's right. It's the word REMAINING in you that saves. Read the verse......

As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

Nope

it’s having faith that saves,

if you do not truly believe it will not remain in you

imhave a question for you, what does it take for a person to come to faith? What must they see to believe?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't know if he ever used the acronym. All I know is he taught once you are saved you are always saved.


Yes, I'm familiar with his teachings and that he taught once you are saved you are always saved and you will never stop believing. His whole teaching seems to be predicated on his (mis)understanding of election.

So he did not use the term osas. So why are you attributing that term to him and claiming he wrote a book about it?

eternal life and security in Christ was around long before him

your fighting calvinism not the word

 

[Waiting on him]

the fruit of the Spirit which abides and remains, though tried by fire?
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Brother Paul here says he suffered the loss of all things.
Philippians 3:8 KJV
[8] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Does someone who has never believed and does not believe now, go to heaven? is it saying that the onus is on the unbeliever to tell them that they must believe in order to be saved?

What is the difference between unbelief in the person who has never believed and unbelief in the person who has believed?

Is it not unbelief either way?

Are we not saved by grace through faith?

Do we not have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand?

Therefore, if I lose faith, I lose access to grace and am therefore not saved.



I thank God that I teach the truth on this matter and have shown that it is the truth without any refutation on your part.

Therefore, because you have no logical or biblical backing for your position, you continue to resort to ad hominem attacks.



In doing so, you "preach against" the truth.



Yet, you teach that repentance isn't valid unless you have already come to Jesus.

Who brings a person to faith?

and what is a person believing when he comes to faith? Hebrews speaks of two mountains, mt siniah and mt Zion. Can a person be saved just by going to my zion, or should they go to both and why?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yup. The only alternative is universalism. Are you a universalist?

Nope

there is grace.

you should look it up

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I came across this today. Notice the conditional construct of the sentence.


8 If we go around bragging, “We have no sin,” then we are fooling ourselves and are strangers to the truth. 9 But if we own up to our sins, God shows that He is faithful and just by forgiving us of our sins and purifying us from the pollution of all the bad things we have done. 10 If we say, “We have not sinned,” then we depict God as a liar and show that we have not let His word find its way into our hearts.
1 John 1:8-10 (Voice)

Not sure where you came up with this, but you should trash it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yay! I can't lose!

You can’t?

lol. Whatever dude,

if your trust God and his promises your right you can’t lose. I see no proof you have done this. So as you teach, you should be most fearful

 

[Wrangler]

Nope

there is grace.

you should look it up

LOL. A lack of universalism would be a lack of grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, seriously. Calvin taught that once you are saved you are always saved. We call it 'osas' for short.


I don't do that because I know that osas is only one part of Calvin's teachings.


Yes, both osas and anti-osas believe that the believer has eternal security. Eternal security is not new. What is new is the teaching that you can't lose eternal security. That came into the church with the Reformation.


I don't know if he called it that by name. All I know is he taught that Once you are Saved you are Always Saved. We use the acronym 'osas' when talking about his doctrine.

1. Eternal security is not a strictly calvin doctrine
2.he may of taught it but it did not originate from him
3. He did not teach osas, so attributing that term to him is being untruthful
4. If you want to argue calvinism let’s argue it, I will probably agree with you on almost everything. However if you want to discus eternal security let’s stick to the word, always blaming calvin is fruitless and will get us no where. It would be like me attributing nosas to the Roman Catholic Church, it’s a waste of time and will get us no where

 

[Waiting on him]

Oh I get it, till the end. Is in reference to your crusifiction.
Luke 13:32 KJV
[32] And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
He was perfected at the loss of all things.
John 8:35 KJV
[35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

 

[Wrangler]

Not sure where you came up with this, but you should trash it

The Bible. It came from the Bible. 1 John 1:8-10 - as cited. You should read - and understand - the Word of God some time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What exactly does it mean to endure till the end?

In the context of Jesus words, it means to remain alive until he returns, endure the great tribulation, do nothing give up

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Interesting question. Its interesting because I am assuming its meaning is not ambiguous. "Endure" means to suffer (allow) with patience or to last or remain. "Till the end"? Well, the end of what? The many verses that I associate with this seem to indicate the end of the mortal or carnal life. Now #Ronald Nolette may may believe it only means till the end of the missionary journey, but I disagree with that.

That's my take... Did you have something else in mind?

In matt 24, the context is until the return of Christ at the end of the tribulation period

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL. A lack of universalism would be a lack of grace.

Grace is unearned, it means there is no working, no persevering, it is completely relying on recieving something you can never earn

the moment you think you can earn it or must do something to keep it. Is the moment it ceases to be grace and becomes works

 

[Wrangler]

Grace is unearned, it means there is no working, no persevering, it is completely relying on recieving something you can never earn

the moment you think you can earn it or must do something to keep it. Is the moment it ceases to be grace and becomes works

Again, then universalism, right?