Once Saved Always Saved

[Charlie24]

So you do not think you ha e a pride issue?

I am prety sure I can be prideful, that’s why I do not declair myself to be sinless.

one thing I do not, I will admit it, will you?

EG go play games with the kids, OK!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OK, you can reason against plain scripture that's been shown you.

It's obvious that's the way it is with you!

Yet your reasoning against what john Said and making the so called scripture you post co trading John

yet it’s me who has a humility problem

 

[Eternally Grateful]

EG go play games with the kids, OK!

I am playing a game with a kid, his name is Charlie24. He attacks anyone who disagrees with them and cuts them down. So I treat him as he treats others,

I guess Charlie does not like it. Like most kids

 

[Wrangler]

Yes real faith has action

action is not faith it is the result of faith

your trying to proclaim the result is the item itself,

that’s false,,

With all due respect, you are projecting. The result of action is the emotion of trust.

Action is not the result of faith. Action is a prerequisite to faith. BELIEF + ACTION = FAITH.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You know, I can be a patient person, it if you continue to try to tell me what I believe after nine er ous times of telling you this is not true and that true OSAS teaching does not teach this, I will put you on ignore

Osas is not what you or I think it is. It is a teaching of Calvin's from a few centuries ago. He wrote the book on it and he says true believers believe to the very end and if they don't they were never a true believer to begin with.

Again, the important point being here, and which we all agree on is you must believe to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back. Osas and anti-osas are in complete agreement about this. We must continue to believe to the very end. We should be encouraging each other in that, because that's what the Bible tells us to do—keep believing.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You'll have a glorified, immortal body as Jesus has at the resurrection.

Free will is no longer a factor, you have now witnessed the Lord in all His glory!

But yes, we will still have it, the Lord forces no one.

If we have free-will now and we will have free-will then. Why do we sin now but not then?

 

[Charlie24]

I am playing a game with a kid, his name is Charlie24. He attacks anyone who disagrees with them and cuts them down. So I treat him as he treats others,

I guess Charlie does not like it. Like most kids

LOL, and you take in stride as an obedient Christian, never even thinking of condemning anyone who disagrees with you!

That's why I admire you EG!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus said in John 6 we will never die.

Believers will never die. Osas and anti-osas both agree on this. The unimportant difference between osas and anti-osas is osas says a true believer will never stop believing, while anti-osas says the believer can stop believing if he wants to. But either way the person who does not continue to believe has no promise whatsoever of never dying and entering into eternal life in the kingdom of God. And that's the important truth that we are to be focusing on. It doesn't matter that osas says you were never really saved if you stop believing, and that anti-osas says you lose your salvation if you stop believing. What matters is that if you don't continue to believe you are damned. Osas and anti-osas are in complete agreement about this.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you have to keep it, it’s not eternal

what part of that is so hard for you to grasp?

I explained it in my post. You're free to take it or leave it. The important thing is that a person continues to believe. That's what the Bible tells us to do. That's what matters.

 

[Charlie24]

If we have free-will now and we will have free-will then. Why do we sin now but not then?

We are made perfect "in a moment in the twinkling of an eye" the mortal shall put on the immortal, the corruptible must put on incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:52-53

The sin nature we inherited is gone forever! We will have the glorified body that Christ had at His resurrection.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

With all due respect, you are projecting. The result of action is the emotion of trust.

Action is not the result of faith. Action is a prerequisite to faith. BELIEF + ACTION = FAITH.

With all do respect this can’t be true

if you trust someone, by practice you will do what they say, if you really trust them you will by reaction tend to want to be like the,

it’s not an emotional response,

faith equals assurance or confidence. Action is not part of the definition,

the difference between faith and mere belief is belief is an emotion, you may start to do some works like go to church, stop drinking or other stuff. But it will not sustain, because their is no assurance. That’s why so many who claim to believe but have no faith fall away, because their faith is not real.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

and that’s not it, when we do this we not only get eternal life, we get ever spiritual blessing in Christ, we get the pledge of the spirit, we have been redeemed, purchased with a price, justified, sanctified, perfected in him, the power to become sons of God, adopted as dear children, given an abba father not a spirit of fear. Removed from the gates of hell and placed in the church or body of Christ, baptised into Christ, his body, his church his death and his burial, spiritually circumcised with the circumcision done by the nad of god, had everything that was against us, contrary to us and having those things nailed to the cross. No longer under the law or the curse of the law, but under Christ. Having the curse removed.

Amen, and amen! These are awesome things that we believers possess. That's why the Bible tells us to keep believing....

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14

Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23​

It's okay if some believers believe that we can't help but to keep believing, or that others believe you can stop believing. The important thing is that we keep believing just as the Bible exhorts us to do.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Osas is not what you or I think it is.

So your going to tell me that a belief I have held for over 40 years is not what I think.

I mean really my friend that’s quite arrogant,

It is a teaching of Calvin's from a few centuries ago. He wrote the book on it and he says true believers believe to the very end and if they don't they were never a true believer to begin with.

eternal life and eternal security was around long before calvin, calvin spoke of perseverance of the saints, it was not even osas. I do not believe he ever even used the term, the term was attributed to him long after he was gone,

Again, the important point being here, and which we all agree on is you must believe to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back..

again I do not believe we must believe to end! That would place the onus on me, and not on God, so please stop saying this

please stop saying I do,

 

[HisLife]

Human reasoning will not cut it! God's ways are not our ways!

As I have said before a half dozen times, just as Ezekiel witnessed the Spirit leave the temple because of unbelief, so it is with the one who no longer believes.

I agree Human reason wont cut it, But forever is forever right? If you lost salvation either it doesn't remain forever or if gets thrown into hell, neither is possible If you think about it, The Gift of God is eternal Life Because sins have been dealt with, Its not eternal if it is temporary, Its not a free pass till you muck up again, you are redeemed from the curse of the law, never to come into condemnation, he who began a good work will complete it, Eternal security comes from simply Believing What God said

Also God doesn't dwell in buildings made by hands its a bit different to a Body that's alive made by God in his image, The Temple doesn't become a child, That's what it is about The new birth you cant become unborn

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL, and you take in stride as an obedient Christian, never even thinking of condemning anyone who disagrees with you!

That's why I admire you EG!

I think you admire yourself, so much you can’t see your own flaws.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Believers will never die. Osas and anti-osas both agree on this. The unimportant difference between osas and anti-osas is osas says a true believer will never stop believing, while anti-osas says the believer can stop believing if he wants to. But either way the person who does not continue to believe has no promise whatsoever of never dying and entering into eternal life in the kingdom of God. And that's the important truth that we are to be focusing on. It doesn't matter that osas says you were never really saved if you stop believing, and that anti-osas says you lose your salvation if you stop believing. What matters is that if you don't continue to believe you are damned. Osas and anti-osas are in complete agreement about this.

smh

I give up.

I can tell you 2+2 = 4 a million times, if you do not believe it you never will

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I explained it in my post. You're free to take it or leave it. The important thing is that a person continues to believe. That's what the Bible tells us to do. That's what matters.

Then it’s conditional on you having the power to keep believing and not turn against the truth that saved you in the first place.

and again, if your belief was so weak you could not continue to trust in eternal life based on the cross. Was it Ever true faith to begin with?

my answer is no,,

 

[Charlie24]

I think you admire yourself, so much you can’t see your own flaws.

I think you have seen the truth, but won't admit it!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen, and amen! These are awesome things that we believers possess. That's why the Bible tells us to keep believing....

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14

Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23​

It's okay if some believers believe that we can't help but to keep believing, or that others believe you can stop believing. The important thing is that we keep believing just as the Bible exhorts us to do.

The Bible tells us it is our knoweldge we have eternal life that empowers us to continue to believe, it’s on Christ, not us

1 John 5: 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

if I do not know I ha e eternal life, I have no power to continue to believe, my faith will crumble, because it is based in self not God,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think you have seen the truth, but won't admit it!

Oh I saw the truth, 40 years ago,

you have not shown me anything to counter that truth, yet you still attack me as if I am lost,