For free will believers out there

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

For you to say "The Word is with Jesus" is to admit the preexistence of Jesus, and if the Word is with Cliff (Jesus) as you said, then you have confirmed the Trinity. You got that right without intending to. It pays not to mess, twist or otherwise pervert Scripture. Jesus is in fact the Word. One Deity.

Harry Webb is Cliff Richards. ONE PERSON with two names. You should know people have different names while being one person.

The angel told Mary, "you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21

Three titles, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but better still ONE omnipresent God. Creator, Heavenly Father and Saviour. The triune God whose titles have been merged into the name of Jesus Christ who is the divine head in whom dwells ALL the fullness of divinity bodily. Colossians 2:8-10

Jesus is King. He reigns over us eternally, from beginning to end. He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Do not deny him. Rather bow down and worship him.
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Then you're not listening to what I texted. I didn't say and I'm not saying the Word is with Jesus. I'm saying that what John 1:1 is saying, that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word is the Only Begotten Son of God and the Word who is the Only Begotten Son of God was with The God, and the Word is a god.

You're denying that the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word so you are denying it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh (human)

 

[Cooper]

Then you're not listening to what I texted. I didn't say and I'm not saying the Word is with Jesus. I'm saying that what John 1:1 is saying, that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word is the Only Begotten Son of God and the Word who is the Only Begotten Son of God was with The God, and the Word is a god.

You're denying that the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word so you are denying it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh (human)

Ha! The Watchtower mistranslation that deletes whole verses and changes others.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/translations/neworld.htm

Goodbye.
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[Wrangler]

I always go to the Greek text

I never go to the Greek. I speak English.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Ha! The Watchtower mistranslation that deletes whole verses and changes others.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/translations/neworld.htm

Goodbye.
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I could care less what you or anyone else thinks about the watchtower and the NWT or the JW, and you right goodbye

 

[Tong2020]

I could care less what you or anyone else thinks about the watchtower and the NWT or the JW, and you right goodbye

Perhaps you’d care to explain what your Bible which was a translation of your church and from where you get your doctrines, tells about who the King of Israel is and is the first and the last. Let me quote your NWT bible:

John 1:49 Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

Rev. 1:17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last

That’s who Jesus is according to NWT Bible.

Isaiah 44:
This is what Jehovah says,

The King of Israel and his Repurchaser Jehovah of armies:

‘I am the first and I am the last.

There is no God but me.

That’s who God is according to NWT bible.

You had been running away from this truth for so long now. Time to face it @BARNEY BRIGHT and all those who teaches that Jesus Christ is not God.

That’s your very own Bible translation refuting that. The other translations refute that as well.

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[Brakelite]

Do you need a "scholar" to read your Bible to you?

You said, quote,

The only reason Jesus is called God is because God entered Jesus' body(per Col 2:9) after he

So it would seem you need a scholar to explain the Bible to you.
KJV Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God entered Jesus' body after the resurrection? You got all that from Colossians 2:9? You know, I don't mind discussing scripture with you, and I will go out if the way to explain my beliefs with corroborating evidence from others included, but I'm not going to argue with your over-active imagination.

 

[Wrangler]

You said, quote,

So it would seem you need a scholar to explain the Bible to you.
KJV Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God entered Jesus' body after the resurrection? You got all that from Colossians 2:9? You know, I don't mind discussing scripture with you, and I will go out if the way to explain my beliefs with corroborating evidence from others included, but I'm not going to argue with your over-active imagination.

Jesus is not God. A good translation of Colossians 2:9 is You see, all that is God, all His fullness, resides in His body, which corroborates what Truther said.

The significance of Jesus raising from the dead is meaningless if he is God. Acts 17:31 tells us God raised the man Jesus and that inheritance awaits us all. That Jesus is a man who was raised from the dead, with the Spirit of God in him and that is our inheritance as children of God is the very heart of the Good News.

 

[Truther]

I have never heard of them, but anyway as long as we remember the first 14 verses of John chapter 1, we will be doing alright. :)
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True.:)

FYI, an incarnationist believes in God incarnating into a human.

I used to think God became a man and taught it openly. Not so sure anymore. I now think God made a man and dwelled(s) in the man He made.

 

[Wrangler]

I used to think God became a man and taught it openly. Not so sure anymore. I now think God made a man and dwelled(s) in the man He made.

And through this one man, spread the indwelling to others. :)

 

[Truther]

And so by you are saying that Jesus pre-existed. By your line of reasoning that would have all else who were in the mind of God as having pre-existed as well, which of course that is not true.

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R2457

Question, did God KNOW Jeremiah personally before he was conceived or did God only say that?...


5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


Could God do the same for His human son?

 

[Truther]

That isn’t proof or evidence of lost of meaning. It’s only what you take it to be.

So, why KJV and not the translations prior to it?

Tong
R2458

Because the KJV was made via an election process(around 50 translators)

Many minds voting on translational words rather than one man's opinion.

 

[Truther]

And through this one man, spread the indwelling to others. :)

Bingo.

God inside Christ...inside us. This combo is otherwise known as the Holy Ghost in us after Christ resurrected and was made an omnipresent quickening spirit....


23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Wrangler]

Because the KJV was made via

Imposing trinitarian ideology onto Jewish unitarian text. Many verses could not survive scrutiny by later, better informed translators.

 

[Truther]

Imposing trinitarian ideology onto Jewish unitarian text. Many verses could not survive scrutiny by later, better informed translators.

Scrutiny?

So you think the farther away we get from an extinct language he better we understand it?

 

[Wrangler]

Scrutiny?

So you think the farther away we get from an extinct language he better we understand it?

Linear thinking includes knowledge increases over time. Today we have far better information about the original language than the KJV translators have. The Dead Sea Scrolls, older manuscripts were found, and different manuscripts with 3 different endings of Mark's Gospel were found.

In addition, the mistakes of imposing trinitarian doctrine onto Jewish unitarian text were found and could not withstand scrutiny. Perhaps the most famous is what (not who) the 3 witnesses of 1 John 5:8.

 

[Truther]

Linear thinking includes knowledge increases over time. Today we have far better information about the original language than the KJV translators have. The Dead Sea Scrolls, older manuscripts were found, and different manuscripts with 3 different endings of Mark's Gospel were found.

In addition, the mistakes of imposing trinitarian doctrine onto Jewish unitarian text were found and could not withstand scrutiny. Perhaps the most famous is what (not who) the 3 witnesses of 1 John 5:8.

Oh Lord.

So the modernists know more about Egyptian hieroglyphics than those 2000 years ago?

 

[Wrangler]

Oh Lord.

So the modernists know more about Egyptian hieroglyphics than those 2000 years ago?

Oh Lord! You are over extrapolating linearly. Today we know more about Egyptian hieroglyphics than the KJV translators. It was Napoleon in the 1800's who discovered the Rosetta Stone.

 

[Tong2020]

True.:)

FYI, an incarnationist believes in God incarnating into a human.

I used to think God became a man and taught it openly. Not so sure anymore. I now think God made a man and dwelled(s) in the man He made.

You now think God made a man and dwelled in that man, and have other men and the angels worship that man?

Have you considered scriptures saying Jesus is King of Israel and is the first and the last? Do you believe that?

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[Tong2020]

And through this one man, spread the indwelling to others. :)

You think God made a man and dwelled in that man, and have other men and the angels worship that man?

Have you considered scriptures saying Jesus is King of Israel and is the first and the last? Do you believe that?

Tong
R2461

 

[Wrangler]

You think God made a man and dwelled in that man, and have other men and the angels worship that man?

Have you considered scriptures saying Jesus is King of Israel and is the first and the last? Do you believe that?

Tong
R2461

Well, aside from the worship part, yes.

That the Spirit of God dwells in me is different from whom occupies civil or religious authority. Consider Galatians 5:22.