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Ferris Bueller
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But you made reference to the gold and silver thing in 1 Corinthians 3. Were you suggesting that 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 means a person does not have to be obedient to be saved?
Ferris Bueller
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Naw, it's okay. I just know if you share with the wrong people they'll use what you confess to them against you eventually. If you're a forum newb you'll see what I mean in time.
Not a single one! But you and I sure can! Including all who go back on Christ, not in backsliding, but in out right unbelief.
Eternally Grateful
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So, are you FOLLOWING and HEARING Christ to qualify for the “they shall never perish” promise?
Let’s see:
1. Are you denying yourself (Matthew 16:24)?
2. Are you taking up your cross (Matthew 16:24)?
3. Are you following in his steps (1 Peter 2:21-21)?
4. Have you invited handicapped people to a dinner at your home (Luke 14:12)?
5. Do you love your enemies (Luke 6:27)?
6. Do you bless them that curse you (Luke 6:28)?
7. Do you pray for them that despitefully use you (Luke 6:28)?
8. Would allow someone to smite you multiple times (Luke 6:29)?
9. Do you give to everyone that asks of you (Luke 6:30)?
10. Do you walk in darkeness (John 8:12)?
11. Do you love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:39)?
12. Do you keep Christ’s/God’s commandments (John 14:15-23)?
Then you ask if people get “ The Point”.......
The “ POINT” is that you need GRACE and you need it BAD!
To get this Point or not is the difference between Delusional, Satanic Self- Righteousness and the Righteousness IMPUTED to one because of their Trust in Jesus.....May God “ open your heart” to the Truth.....Anybody and everybody that thinks Heaven will be their Reward because they “ DO” these things are in Darkness, and “ Oh, how deep That Darkness can be”.......
Let’s see:
1. Are you denying yourself (Matthew 16:24)?
2. Are you taking up your cross (Matthew 16:24)?
3. Are you following in his steps (1 Peter 2:21-21)?
4. Have you invited handicapped people to a dinner at your home (Luke 14:12)?
5. Do you love your enemies (Luke 6:27)?
6. Do you bless them that curse you (Luke 6:28)?
7. Do you pray for them that despitefully use you (Luke 6:28)?
8. Would allow someone to smite you multiple times (Luke 6:29)?
9. Do you give to everyone that asks of you (Luke 6:30)?
10. Do you walk in darkeness (John 8:12)?
11. Do you love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:39)?
12. Do you keep Christ’s/God’s commandments (John 14:15-23)?
Then you ask if people get “ The Point”.......
The “ POINT” is that you need GRACE and you need it BAD!
To get this Point or not is the difference between Delusional, Satanic Self- Righteousness and the Righteousness IMPUTED to one because of their Trust in Jesus.....May God “ open your heart” to the Truth.....Anybody and everybody that thinks Heaven will be their Reward because they “ DO” these things are in Darkness, and “ Oh, how deep That Darkness can be”.......
Ferris Bueller
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But anyway, ultimately, I only need to humble myself to God. If and when I discern a spiritual person I can trust I will have them pray for/with me. You gotta be wise as a snake in the church these days. Christians are too naive sometimes. When you get beat up by 'believers' you learn that lesson.
Eternally Grateful
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That’s why you get in a discipleship relationship with a few peers. Men you trust, And you confess to each other
Ferris Bueller
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Enoch111 said: ↑
This is one of the devices of Satan. But there are dozens of Scripture to refute that notion.
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Michiah-Imla said ↑
No there are not.
First Problem Is: HEBREWS {TO the Jews}, Under Prophecy And The
LAW, DOES NOT Apply TO The Body Of CHRIST, But, MUST Be "Rightly
Divided" FROM:
"The Revelation Of God's MYSTERY," Under PURE GRACE, Which DOES APPLY!:
What Saith The Scripture {Almost FIVE Dozen!}?:
Precious friend(s), if you have ever had the feeling that God's Free Gift Of
Eternal life HE Gave to you, According To HIS Will, is somehow not secure,
then you are not alone. We are human, and many believers struggle with this.
Let us then, set aside, for a moment, the claims/theology that tries to
verify this Insecurity, and instead, take the Following Scriptural Approach:
Let us examine God's Trustworthy WORD Of Truth { KJB! }, And Prayerfully
Carefully gather For Comparison All The Appropriate Passages For God's Sound
Doctrine Of Eternal Assurance, in accordance with God's Bible"study" { GBSR }
Rule # 5, and then allow HIS Plain And Clear Words Of Truth to speak, shall we?:
Praise God For Over FIFTY-FIVE Solid Verses of BIBLICAL FACTS,
For All who have humbly trusted/believed/placed 100% faith in:
HIS Death {Precious BLOOD!}, Burial, And Resurrection!:
Saved By GRACE Through faith! Ephesians_2:4-5, 8-9
The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS! 2_Timothy 2:19
HIS Are Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted In The Beloved { SON },
By God, The Father, Before Time Began! Ephesians_1:4-6
God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance
After The Counsel Of HIS Own Will! Ephesians_1:11
Eternal Assurance Is ONE Of:
”The Unsearchable RICHES Of CHRIST…” Which Are
“...According To The ETERNAL Purpose Which
HE Purposed In CHRIST JESUS our LORD!”
(Ephesians_3:8, 11)
God Justified HIS saints, Because Of HIS Foreknowledge, Also
Predestinating us To Be Conformed To The Image Of HIS SON!
Romans_8:29
And those Predestinated, Are Also Called, Justified, And Glorified!
Romans_8:30
”...If God Be For us, who can be against us?” (Romans_8:31)
”Who shall lay Any Thing to the charge of God’s elect?
It Is God Who Justifies us!”
(Romans_8:33)
God Prepared vessels of Mercy, For HIS Glory! Romans_9:23
“God Hath Not Cast Away HIS people whom HE Foreknew!” (Romans_11:2)
“Who Hath Saved us, And Called us with a holy Calling, NOT according to
our works, But According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which Was
Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!” (2_Timothy_1:9)
“In WHOM we Have Redemption Through HIS Blood, The Forgiveness
Of sins, According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!” (Ephesians_1:7)
we Have No condemnation, Because CHRIST Died, Is Risen, And Is At
The Right Hand Of God, And Makes Intercession For us! Romans_8:34
In CHRIST JESUS we Are Free from the law of sin and death! Romans_8:2
The Spirit Of God Dwells In us! Romans_8:9
we Have Received The Spirit Of Adoption, Whereby we cry, Abba, Father!
Romans_8:15
“The Spirit HIMSELF Beareth Witness with our spirit,
that we Are the children of God!” (Romans_8:16)
God Establishes And Anoints us In CHRIST! 2_Corinthians_1:20
God Seals us And Gives us The Earnest Of The Spirit! 2_Corinthians_1:22
ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts_15:8; Romans_8:27
"That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST!
In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth, The Gospel
Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With
That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until
The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!"
(Ephesians_1:12-14)
”Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!”
(2_Corinthians_1:22)
"And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are
Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!" (Ephesians_4:30)
"And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But
ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of
The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!"
(1_Corinthians_6:11)
"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved
Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To
Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!"
(2_Thessalonians_2:13)
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But
According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of
Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!" (Titus_3:5)
God's OPERATION?:
God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians_1:12
God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians_1:13
God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians_1:14
God Justified us “...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The
Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!" (Romans_3:24)
God “Reckons Debt To those proud who work” For Salvation!
Romans_4:4
In GRACE, To him/her “that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that
Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!”
(Romans_4:5)
God, Through Paul, States: “...David also describeth the
blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth
righteousness Without works!” (Romans_4:6)
“Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities Are Forgiven, And
whose sins Are Covered [By HIS BLOOD?]! Blessed is the man
to whom The LORD WILL NOT Impute sin!” (Romans_4:7-8)
YES, By HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD:
"But God Commendeth HIS LOVE Toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, CHRIST Died for us. Much More Then, being NOW JUSTIFIED
BY HIS BLOOD, we SHALL BE SAVED From wrath Through HIM. For if,
when we were enemies, we Were Reconciled To God By The Death Of
HIS SON, Much More, being Reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE!"
(Romans_5:8-10)
God's All-Sufficient GRACE?
“For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; Much More they
which Receive Abundance Of GRACE And Of The Gift Of Righteousness
Shall reign in life By One, JESUS CHRIST!” (Romans_5:17)
"And HE Who Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind
Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession For the saints
According To The Will Of God!" (Romans_8:27) ==============================================
God's OPERATION!:
[ God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], "Who Delivered us from so Great a
death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"
Expounded:
{PAST Tense}: { Justification!!! = God Establishes Eternal Relationship! }
"Who Delivered us from so great a death,... {From The PENALTY of sin!}
{ PRESENT Tense }: { Sanctification!! = WE work out fellowship on earth! }
...And Doth Deliver:... {From The POWER of sin!!}
{FUTURE Tense}: { Glorification! = Eternal fellowship, In Heaven!!! Amen?}
...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!}
(2_Corinthians_1:10)
==============================================
All Of The Above Are Because Of The "FINISHED" Work Of CHRIST
On The CROSS, For God's Glory And GRACE! {NOT "what WE do/don't do!"}
Precious struggling friend(s):
Is The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST ALL-SUFFICIENT for you?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: Do we Believe ALL Of These Scriptures, so we can answer This?:
Are we prepared for:
Accountability for our fellowship {NOT God's Relationship!}
At Judgment, By "The Righteous Judge Himself"? Eternally
Saved, But "Gain OR LOSE rewards!" (1_Corinthians_3:8-15)?
And, Precious friend(s) Please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST,
And In HIS Precious Pure And Preserved Word Of Truth! { KJB! }
Both The Living Word, And, HIS Written Word, Are Trustworthy!
correct?
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ :) ↑
This is one of the devices of Satan. But there are dozens of Scripture to refute that notion.
+
Michiah-Imla said ↑
No there are not.
First Problem Is: HEBREWS {TO the Jews}, Under Prophecy And The
LAW, DOES NOT Apply TO The Body Of CHRIST, But, MUST Be "Rightly
Divided" FROM:
"The Revelation Of God's MYSTERY," Under PURE GRACE, Which DOES APPLY!:
What Saith The Scripture {Almost FIVE Dozen!}?:
Precious friend(s), if you have ever had the feeling that God's Free Gift Of
Eternal life HE Gave to you, According To HIS Will, is somehow not secure,
then you are not alone. We are human, and many believers struggle with this.
Let us then, set aside, for a moment, the claims/theology that tries to
verify this Insecurity, and instead, take the Following Scriptural Approach:
Let us examine God's Trustworthy WORD Of Truth { KJB! }, And Prayerfully
Carefully gather For Comparison All The Appropriate Passages For God's Sound
Doctrine Of Eternal Assurance, in accordance with God's Bible"study" { GBSR }
Rule # 5, and then allow HIS Plain And Clear Words Of Truth to speak, shall we?:
Assurance Of God's ETERNAL/EVERLASTING Salvation!
Praise God For Over FIFTY-FIVE Solid Verses of BIBLICAL FACTS,
For All who have humbly trusted/believed/placed 100% faith in:
The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
Saved By GRACE Through faith! Ephesians_2:4-5, 8-9
The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS! 2_Timothy 2:19
HIS Are Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted In The Beloved { SON },
By God, The Father, Before Time Began! Ephesians_1:4-6
God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance
After The Counsel Of HIS Own Will! Ephesians_1:11
Eternal Assurance Is ONE Of:
”The Unsearchable RICHES Of CHRIST…” Which Are
“...According To The ETERNAL Purpose Which
HE Purposed In CHRIST JESUS our LORD!”
(Ephesians_3:8, 11)
God Justified HIS saints, Because Of HIS Foreknowledge, Also
Predestinating us To Be Conformed To The Image Of HIS SON!
Romans_8:29
And those Predestinated, Are Also Called, Justified, And Glorified!
Romans_8:30
”...If God Be For us, who can be against us?” (Romans_8:31)
”Who shall lay Any Thing to the charge of God’s elect?
It Is God Who Justifies us!”
(Romans_8:33)
God Prepared vessels of Mercy, For HIS Glory! Romans_9:23
“God Hath Not Cast Away HIS people whom HE Foreknew!” (Romans_11:2)
“Who Hath Saved us, And Called us with a holy Calling, NOT according to
our works, But According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which Was
Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!” (2_Timothy_1:9)
“In WHOM we Have Redemption Through HIS Blood, The Forgiveness
Of sins, According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!” (Ephesians_1:7)
we Have No condemnation, Because CHRIST Died, Is Risen, And Is At
The Right Hand Of God, And Makes Intercession For us! Romans_8:34
In CHRIST JESUS we Are Free from the law of sin and death! Romans_8:2
The Spirit Of God Dwells In us! Romans_8:9
we Have Received The Spirit Of Adoption, Whereby we cry, Abba, Father!
Romans_8:15
“The Spirit HIMSELF Beareth Witness with our spirit,
that we Are the children of God!” (Romans_8:16)
God Establishes And Anoints us In CHRIST! 2_Corinthians_1:20
God Seals us And Gives us The Earnest Of The Spirit! 2_Corinthians_1:22
ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts_15:8; Romans_8:27
"That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST!
In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth, The Gospel
Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With
That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until
The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!"
(Ephesians_1:12-14)
”Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!”
(2_Corinthians_1:22)
"And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are
Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!" (Ephesians_4:30)
"And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But
ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of
The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!"
(1_Corinthians_6:11)
"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved
Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To
Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!"
(2_Thessalonians_2:13)
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But
According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of
Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!" (Titus_3:5)
God's OPERATION?:
God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians_1:12
God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians_1:13
God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians_1:14
God Justified us “...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The
Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!" (Romans_3:24)
God “Reckons Debt To those proud who work” For Salvation!
Romans_4:4
In GRACE, To him/her “that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that
Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!”
(Romans_4:5)
God, Through Paul, States: “...David also describeth the
blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth
righteousness Without works!” (Romans_4:6)
“Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities Are Forgiven, And
whose sins Are Covered [By HIS BLOOD?]! Blessed is the man
to whom The LORD WILL NOT Impute sin!” (Romans_4:7-8)
YES, By HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD:
"But God Commendeth HIS LOVE Toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, CHRIST Died for us. Much More Then, being NOW JUSTIFIED
BY HIS BLOOD, we SHALL BE SAVED From wrath Through HIM. For if,
when we were enemies, we Were Reconciled To God By The Death Of
HIS SON, Much More, being Reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE!"
(Romans_5:8-10)
God's All-Sufficient GRACE?
“For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; Much More they
which Receive Abundance Of GRACE And Of The Gift Of Righteousness
Shall reign in life By One, JESUS CHRIST!” (Romans_5:17)
"And HE Who Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind
Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession For the saints
According To The Will Of God!" (Romans_8:27) ==============================================
God's OPERATION!:
[ God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], "Who Delivered us from so Great a
death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"
Expounded:
{PAST Tense}: { Justification!!! = God Establishes Eternal Relationship! }
"Who Delivered us from so great a death,... {From The PENALTY of sin!}
{ PRESENT Tense }: { Sanctification!! = WE work out fellowship on earth! }
...And Doth Deliver:... {From The POWER of sin!!}
{FUTURE Tense}: { Glorification! = Eternal fellowship, In Heaven!!! Amen?}
...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!}
(2_Corinthians_1:10)
==============================================
All Of The Above Are Because Of The "FINISHED" Work Of CHRIST
On The CROSS, For God's Glory And GRACE! {NOT "what WE do/don't do!"}
Precious struggling friend(s):
Is The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST ALL-SUFFICIENT for you?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: Do we Believe ALL Of These Scriptures, so we can answer This?:
Are we prepared for:
Accountability for our fellowship {NOT God's Relationship!}
At Judgment, By "The Righteous Judge Himself"? Eternally
Saved, But "Gain OR LOSE rewards!" (1_Corinthians_3:8-15)?
And, Precious friend(s) Please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST,
And In HIS Precious Pure And Preserved Word Of Truth! { KJB! }
Both The Living Word, And, HIS Written Word, Are Trustworthy!
correct?
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ :) ↑
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
Yet Jesus knew us and predestined us before time began and gave us his gift of eternal life because he determined our faith was real.
your right he does not make a mistake, more does he give his gift to make believers
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
I can stop looking at porn when I get saved
is that producing fruit?
I can stop coveting when I get saved
is that producing fruit?
we produce fruit when we love and serve others
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
Hmmm.....someone started a thread about that—accountability groups. Thanks, but no thanks. I will only approach a person about a personal matter if I think they are spiritually mature and can be trusted. Friendship really isn't the defining issue for me.
Your Calvinist roots are showing EG! That's where all this osas junk came from!
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
Yes, the fruit of 'self control'.
Yes, the fruit of 'goodness'.
And how do you love and serve others? By being patient, self controlled, peaceable, kind, faithful..... See how that works?
Let’s stop “ beating around the bush” with “don’t do this and do do that”.......The Standard for Heaven Is Perfection.....”You are to be Perfect , even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect”
You think the people on this Forum are Stupid? You harbor Secret Thoughts That would Shame Hell, itself.....just like the rest of us ....
You NEVER had a Lustful Thought? Get out Of here with that Hog Wash, Fellow Adulterer and Common Sinner.....Put Away Your Utter Foolishness and Self Deception.....go out and get you some Grace—— it’s the ONLY thing that’s gonna get you Saved.....you ain’t no different from me—- you need TONS of it......why can’t you just Admit it ? Is it Pride or Pathetic Teaching? Its one or the other.....
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
Perhaps that is to be understood in this vein....
If anyone with earthly possessions sees his brother in need, but withholds his compassion from him, how can the love of God abide in him? 1 John 3:17
And I surely don't think God meant that we are to just willy-nilly have compassion on everyone and anyone....
...as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.
Galatians 6:10
9A widow should be enrolled if she is at least sixty years old, the wife of one man, 10and well known for good deeds such as bringing up children, entertaining strangers, washing the feet of the saints, imparting relief to the afflicted, and devoting herself to every good work.11But refuse to enroll younger widows.
16If any believing woman has dependent widows, she must assist them and not allow the church to be burdened, so that it can help the widows who are truly in need.
1 Timothy 5:9-16
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
Then your disobeying James
plain and simple.
ps, am accountabilit group is not a discipleship partnership they are two different things
What a Splendid Clarification for a subject that is sometimes rather “ murky”! Thank you so much....
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
Nope
Predestination is in the word, calvinistic view of predestination I reject.
your Jewish and Catholic roots are showing though?
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