No authority!

[Ferris Bueller]

You're upset with me - NOT necause I'm not "charitable" but because I've exposed you i public.

No, really, it's your arrogance that bothers me. You're an extremely arrogant, boastful person. We have them on our side of the fence to. They think the way they 'do' their religion is the right and only approved way and that's what they think the sum total of being a Christian is all about. They don't know that they've missed it altogether.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, really, it's your arrogance that bothers me. You're an extremely arrogant, boastful person. We have them on our side of the fence to. They think the way they 'do' their religion is the right and only approved way and that's what they think the sum total of being a Christian is all about. They don't know that they've missed it altogether.

Funny - I don't believe I've "boasted", not even once on tis forum.

I simply seek out lies, falsehoods and myths about the Catholic Church - and expose them.
That's gotta be anoying to someone like YOU, who makes a habit of it . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, it's not hyperbole. What he's saying is they have the power of discernment. In this New Covenant we don't need, for example, a Catholic priesthood to tell us if what we're being taught is true or not. That's how it was in the old covenant. The people of God used to be at the mercy of a corrupt, mortal leadership to tell them what was truth and what was not. Not anymore! Now true believers have the anointing to be able to tell if what they're being taught is the truth or not. We need to be taught, but we do not need to be told what is true and what is not.

Funny -t hat's NOT what the Bible says . . .

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from US."

2 Thess. 3:6
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from US"

2 Tim. 2:2
"What you have heard from ME before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach OTHERS also".

1 Cor. 11:2
"I commend you because you remember ME in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you".

God is NOT the Author of the chaos and confusion of Protestantism - but oif ORDER.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That's gotta be anoying to someone like YOU

No, it's your arrogance that is annoying.

 

[Illuminator]

No, it's your arrogance that is annoying.

Paul is not arrogant.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.

What is the expiration date of this verse?

What is arrogant is you constantly asserting false, immature and uncharitable
caricatures of Catholicism. You have no clue of what it means to be a practicing Catholic.
150 Reasons Why I Became (and Remain) a Catholic
How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead?

I suggest you start thinking for yourself.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul is not arrogant.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.

What is the expiration date of this verse?

This has nothing to do with what I'm calling BreadOfLife out on.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Funny -t hat's NOT what the Bible says . . .

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from US."

2 Thess. 3:6
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from US"

2 Tim. 2:2
"What you have heard from ME before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach OTHERS also".

1 Cor. 11:2
"I commend you because you remember ME in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you".

God is NOT the Author of the chaos and confusion of Protestantism - but oif ORDER.

You're not getting it. Now that all true believers have the Holy Spirit they can discern for themselves who to listen to and who not to listen to. The people of God don't need any man to tell them that anymore. We aren't at the mercy of misguided and blind and false teachers anymore. Jesus set us free from that. We need teachers and pastors and elders, but we do not need anyone to tell us which ones to listen to and which ones not to listen to. Blind guides will win their blind converts because those converts are blind, too, and do not have the Spirit of discernment. But a blind guide can not lead a person who can see. No special mortal priesthood necessary to tell us who's telling the truth and who is not.

 

[Illuminator]

There is, in the Catholic vision of reality, a profound understanding of the impenetration of matter by grace which we call the Incarnational principle. The Incarnation of God the Son as Jesus Christ is the bedrock which underlies the Christian vision of the relationship between God and man. In assuming a human nature, God demonstrates at once that creation, including human nature, is not only good but is capable of being further elevated through the impenetration of the Divine life.

This is the basis of the entire sacramental system, which uses outward (material) signs to transmit to us a share of God’s life, from the initiation of the believer’s journey in Baptism to its conclusion in Anointing of the Sick. It is the basis of the Church, a visible society which itself serves as a living connection between God and man, a sort of meta-sacrament for the transmission and embodiment of grace. It is even the basis for all of society, which begins with a proper understanding of matrimony, which St. Paul tells us is a model for the relationship of Christ and the Church. For in matrimony a man and a woman join in a profound sanctifying union of both body and spirit, a union which is both faithful and fecund, generating new life.

This understanding of the goodness of creation, of matter, of humanity and of human joys and aspirations—and the lesson that this goodness is designed to be further filled, animated and elevated by the love of God—is so central to God’s plan that Christianity begins and ends with it. It begins with God’s self-emptying of glory as He takes on human flesh and it ends in the Resurrection of the glorified Christ, who henceforth forever retains His identity as man.

It ought to be obvious to just about everybody that no other religion incorporates this particular (and particularly profound) understanding of the relationship of nature to nature’s God. Every human philosophy inevitably makes too much of nature or too little, and sometimes both at once, as in modern secularism which sees nature as all and so ignores that to which it points. What may be surprising, however, is that even among Christians those who have doctrinally fallen away from Rome have largely lost the unique and special wholeness of this Christian vision. Thus, from its beginning, Protestantism has been preoccupied with what it regards as the depravity of human nature, its radical incapacity for goodness, its reliance on grace as on something which supplants man’s nature rather than penetrates it.

Here we find the cause of Protestantism’s inability to understand the importance of works to salvation, which led Luther to revise Scripture and declare the letter of St. James to be apocryphal. Here also we have the root of Calvin’s notion that some are predestined for heaven and others for hell by nothing but the arbitrary will of God. Nor are we surprised to find Protestant sects which have outlawed the celebration of Christmas itself, distrusting the human values and human joy which Christmas both represents and fulfills. Indeed, from the point of view of nature, Protestantism must be described as a very thin, a very incomplete religion.

By contrast, Catholicism flowers in nature, transforming and elevating not only man himself but man’s culture. The astonishing achievements of Catholic culture over two millennia—in art and literature, sculpture and architecture, education and government, work and play, fast and feast—are one and all rooted in the Incarnational principle. The sense that the human body is itself a repository of grace, a temple of the Holy Spirit, fosters a unique Catholic mode of being in which the mind and spirit are never alone, never cut off. Rather man worships God in his body, and carries all of nature beyond itself in the quest to fulfill the very end of religion, which is for all creation to give glory to God.

Not in the abstract, then, is Catholic salvation worked out, but in the concrete; not in the general, but in the particular. The Catholic vision is not one of being “attached” to Christ, but of “putting on” Christ (Gal 3:27), not one of merely receiving an external gift, but of living the Christ life deep within—so that I live, no not I, but Christ lives in me (Gal 2:20). Each virtue is cultivated, each habit transformed and elevated, each relationship purified, each work ennobled. And the power for this continuous transformation is nourished—no, actually ingested—and formed into community through the Eucharist, the Word quite literally made Flesh, the Body and Blood really and actually present, not in figure or even in grace alone, but in its very substance.

Every Catholic is called to a life-long process of incorporating (I choose the word advisedly) his whole self, body and soul, into Christ, and not only his self but his loves, his labors, his own small creations, and the entire world over which he has been given dominion. This project, in which no detail is neglected or flattened, and no element lost or discarded, is unique to Catholicism. As I have said, it is a project rooted in the Incarnational principle. But even the Incarnational principle is not so much explained as demonstrated, not so much taught as lived. It was lived first by Christ Himself, born of Mary and protected by Joseph, in Bethlehem, in a stable, in a manger—and so at length in us.

Why Be Catholic? 8: Incarnation | Catholic Culture

 

[Illuminator]

You're not getting it. Now that all true believers have the Holy Spirit they can discern for themselves who to listen to and who not to listen to.

That's a man made tradition, it's not found anywhere in the Bible. All true believers have the Holy Spirit, but not all true believers are ordained to teach.

We need teachers and pastors and elders, but we do not need anyone to tell us which ones to listen to and which ones not to listen to.

Clearly, a self defeating and contradictory statement. By your reasoning, we don't need anyone to tell us to listen to you.

Ferris Beuller"s absurd doctrine:

Several evangelical scholars have noted that the problem with Protestant ecclesiology is that there is no Protestant ecclesiology. In many denominations—and especially in non-denominational churches—there is no hierarchy of churches responsible to a central head, no accountability beyond the local congregation, no fellowship beyond the local assembly, no missional emphasis that gains support from hundreds of congregations, and no superiors to whom a local pastor must submit for doctrinal or ethical fidelity.​

The Problem with Protestant Ecclesiology – Daniel B. Wallace (Protestant professor of New Testament theology)
This is the premise that Ferris Beuller declares himself an authority on Catholicism. What a joke.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That's a man made tradition, it's not found anywhere in the Bible. All true believers have the Holy Spirit, but not all true believers are ordained to teach

I said all true believers have the power to discern what teacher to listen to and what teacher not to listen to.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

By your reasoning, we don't need anyone to tell us to listen to you.

It's not my reasoning. It's what John says. And, yes, I don't have to arrogantly insist that I'm right and demand that you listen to me. True believers know by the Holy Spirit within them who is speaking truth and who is not. That's why I don't have to arrogantly force you to listen to me and shame you and speak down to you about what I think is truth. The Spirit himself will convict the true believer of truth. We don't need a Catholic priesthood to do that for us. Jesus did away with that useless system.

 

[Illuminator]

That's a man made tradition, it's not found anywhere in the Bible. All true believers have the Holy Spirit, but not all true believers are ordained to teach. .

30. The lack of a definitive teaching authority in Protestant (as with the Catholic magisterium) makes many individual Protestants think that they have a direct line to God, notwithstanding all of Christian Tradition and the history of biblical exegesis (a “Bible, Holy Spirit and me” mentality). Such people are generally under-educated theologically, unteachable, lack humility, and have no business making presumed “infallible” statements about the nature of Christianity.​

150 Reasons Why I Became (and Remain) a Catholic

There is the relationship: the Scriptures are a tool for "teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," but who is to use this tool for these purposes? That is, who has the authority to teach, reproof, correct, and train others in righteousness? The "man of God" has this authority.
But, who is the "man of God?" Ferris Beuller may wish to claim this title for himself as well, but a short survey of Scripture's use of the title will reveal that this, too, is a privileged title that cannot be simply taken upon oneself:

Moses - "This is the blessing with which Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death." (Deut. 33:1)

"Then the people of Judah came to Joshua at Gilgal; and Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite said to him, 'You know what the LORD said to Moses the man of God in Kadesh-barnea concerning you and me.'" (Josh. 14:6)

The Angel of the Lord - "Then the woman came and told her husband, 'A man of God came to me, and his countenance was like the countenance of the angel of God, very terrible; I did not ask him whence he was, and he did not tell me his name...' Then Manoah entreated the LORD, and said, 'O, LORD, I pray thee, let the man of God whom thou didst send come again to us, and teach us what we are to do with the boy that will be born.'" (Jud. 13:6, 8)

Samuel - "The servant answered Saul again, 'Here, I have with me the fourth part of a shekel of silver, and I will give it to the man of God, to tell us our way.'" (1 Sam. 9:8)

Elijah - "And she said to Elijah, 'What have you against me, O man of God? You have come to me to bring my sin to remembrance, and to cause the death of my son!'" (1 Kings 17:18)

Elisha - "And she went up and laid him on the bed of the man of God, and shut the door upon him, and went out... When Elisha came into the house, he saw the child lying dead on his bed." (2 Kings 4:21, 32)

David - "According to the ordinance of David his father, he appointed the divisions of the priests for their service, and the Levites for their offices of praise and ministry before the priests as the duty of each day required, and the gatekeepers in their divisions for the several gates; for so David the man of God had commanded." (2 Chr. 8:14)

St. Timothy - "But as for you, man of God, shun all this; aim at righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness." (1 Tim. 6:11)
Contrary to the opinion that the "man of God" can be any Christian without distinction, Scripture itself will not allow such an interpretation, insisting that the "man of God" is a figure of authority, either commissioned by God directly through Divine Intervention (such as Moses or the Angel), or appointed by another holder of authority (such as Samuel, David, Elisha, and St. Timothy).

From this very brief survey of the phrase "man of God" (there are perhaps a dozen or so more passages...), we see that what holds true for "pastors" holds true for the "man of God": it is a title of authority that can in no way be taken upon oneself, but rather, it is bestowed upon a man by a higher authority. A man must be called by God to hold this title of "man of God."

By What Authority - A Challenge to Protestant Pastors

 

[theefaith]

So then you don't know whether you will be with Jesus in eternity, or not?

Much love!

no eternal security in this life

read the gospel

matt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jn 15:1-5
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, it's your arrogance that is annoying.

And I'm only "arrogant" because I'm defeating your arguments with the very Scriotures YOU hold to be our "SOLE" Authority.
Catholics aren't supposed to be able to do that - right?

 

[theefaith]

please explain this verse in light of faith alone?

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.



Suffering Necessary part of Salvation!

Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

He is our model in everything!

Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're not getting it. Now that all true believers have the Holy Spirit they can discern for themselves who to listen to and who not to listen to. The people of God don't need any man to tell them that anymore. We aren't at the mercy of misguided and blind and false teachers anymore. Jesus set us free from that. We need teachers and pastors and elders, but we do not need anyone to tell us which ones to listen to and which ones not to listen to. Blind guides will win their blind converts because those converts are blind, too, and do not have the Spirit of discernment. But a blind guide can not lead a person who can see. No special mortal priesthood necessary to tell us who's telling the truth and who is not.

Soooooo, Jesus and Paul were just LYING in those verses (Luke 10:16, 2 Thess 2:15, 2 Thess. 3:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2)??

Was Jesus "joking" or lying when He said:
Matt. 28:19-20
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


So, instead of falsely accusing people of being "arrogant" becaue YOU don't know what you're talking about - STUDY your Bible . . .

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

1 Cor. 12:28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, TEACHERS; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And I'm only "arrogant" because I'm defeating your arguments with the very Scriotures YOU hold to be our "SOLE" Authority.
Catholics aren't supposed to be able to do that - right?

I know this hard for you to grasp but it's your style that is arrogant and boastful. There are a lot of Christians like that on both sides of the fence. They arrogantly assert that they do church in the correct and approved way and believe only the correct and approved doctrines of Christianity. Little knowing that their arrogance in that assertion (right or wrong isn't the point) shows they don't know Christ very well at all and aren't pleasing and approved by God at all despite the accuracy of their liturgy and doctrines. Only the Spirit of God can convict you of what I'm saying. If you're a real Christian you'll hear him. How you live is what matters, not how you do church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Soooooo, Jesus and Paul were just LYING in those verses (Luke 10:16, 2 Thess 2:15, 2 Thess. 3:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2)??

Was Jesus "joking" or lying when He said:
Matt. 28:19-20
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

I know this is going to be tough for you because you operate in a completely different paradigm than us anti-Catholics. All teachers everywhere insist they have the truth and that you should listen to them. That's not the issue. The point is, in this New Covenant every true believer has the discernment given to them by virtue of the indwelling Holy Spirit to discern which teacher to listen to and which teacher to not listen to. This has nothing to do with the believer having the capacity to teach himself. This has everything to do with the believer having the anointing to discern between false teaching and real teaching sent from God. We don't need a Catholic priesthood to tell us who is speaking the truth and who is not. That's how it was in the old covenant. Jesus did away with that weak and corrupt system of guidance. Get with the new program!

 

[marks]

please explain this verse in light of faith alone?

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Faith in Jesus in relation to our struggle against sin is to believe in our liberty from Sin even against overwhelmingly difficult circumstances.

If I'm trusting in Jesus to feed me the right food at the right time, then, even if I'm hungry, I won't steal, because I'm trusting Him. I'm resisting the urge to steal to abate my hunger because I believe God has a different way to care for me.

OK, what happens when I get hungrier still? Now my hunger consumes me, I'm SO hungry! But I believe Jesus will feed me the right food at the right time, so I'm still not going to steal.

Looking to Jesus,

After 40 days fasting He was hungry. This indicates that Jesus' appetite had returned as He would have been nearing death by starvation, and Satan came to Him, "Turn these rocks into bread!"

Jesus resisted unto near starvation in His striving against sin.

And of course, "Don't you know I can call 12 legions of angels to rescue Me?" Jesus resisted against sin because He believed what was true, that His death wasn't to be avoided, it was what He came for.

The flesh, the world, the devil, all will destroy us in whatever way possible. We are to continue to trust in Jesus no matter how much we hunger, how much we hurt, or how much we bleed.

When I sin, it means I've not continued to trust in Jesus sufficiently that I walk in the freedom from sin which He brings me, even though I'm not being pushed as much as He was.

I've not been that near starvation. I've not been nailed to a cross. I've not yet resisted unto blood in my striving against sin.

The way we strive against sin is to trust Jesus no matter how much we bleed.

Much love!

 

[marks]

no eternal security in this life

1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

What does God know that we don't?

Here's a clue . . .

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Is this true as written? Will we appear with Him in glory as this passage says will happen?

Much love!