The Nanny State

[Grailhunter]

I read up on this pastor in Alberta who has been jailed for breaking protocol regarding covid-19.

The judge said...

"It is an issue when someone makes a decision that can affect the health and the lives of thousands of people."

The judge said that when the pastor was arrested, the spread of COVID-19 was a serious concern and services at the church could have been "super-spreaders" of the novel coronavirus.

"Members of that (church) were going out into the community in general," said the judge, who noted that Coates has referred to himself as a shepherd.

"The shepherd ought to protect his flock."

I stated this before... and I will re-state that as Christians... we are not above the law. There are consequences to everything we say and do.

I believe this judge was RIGHT on the MONEY... The shepherd ought to protect his flock... over exercising his right to assemble.

It is also my opinion that the above cannot be called "persecution" due to the fact that the entire province of ALBERTA was under the same protocol mandate... This means Christians and non-Christians alike. This pastor is simply someone who CHOSE to DIS-OBEY what was set out to protect the general public.

I fail to have sympathy over things like this. Had this pastor followed the rules... he would NOT be in jail.

You illustrate the sad control factor that is the core purpose of the Covid 19 biological weapon. They know so many are cowards and can be controlled by fear to further their communist agenda. Attack the Christian institution. Shutdown the churches...keep the pot stores open and support them. Keep the abortion clinics open....kill those babies! 600,000 babies killed a year here in this country. Those babies did not have a chance to be brave. Destroy the economy...shutdown businesses and people loose their jobs and their homes.

I am so happy that the people in my area are not cowards....barely payed any attention to it and kept their jobs and has the lowest Covid rate. From February to October of last year the hospitals had zero that is 0 Covid patients. Evil will control you by fear! Fear nothing! On the average influence claims 35,000 deaths a year and pneumonia around 50,000 per year....what happen to those numbers? Can you guess? We do not know how many terminally ill patience and traffic accidents have been counted as Covid statistics. The government made it very lucrative for the hospitals to count most deaths as Covid. Do not let the demonrats communist atheists control you with fear.

 

[Addy]

You illustrate the sad control factor that is the core purpose of the Covid 19 biological weapon. They know so many are cowards and can be controlled by fear to further their communist agenda. Attack the Christian institution. Shutdown the churches...keep the pot stores open and support them. Keep the abortion clinics open....kill those babies! 600,000 babies killed a year here in this country. Those babies did not have a chance to be brave. Destroy the economy...shutdown businesses and people loose their jobs and their homes.

I am so happy that the people in my area are not cowards....barely payed any attention to it and kept their jobs and has the lowest Covid rate. From February to October of last year the hospitals had zero that is 0 Covid patients. Evil will control you by fear! Fear nothing! On the average influence claims 35,000 deaths a year and pneumonia around 50,000 per year....what happen to those numbers? Can you guess? We do not know how many terminally ill patience and traffic accidents have been counted as Covid statistics. The government made it very lucrative for the hospitals to count most deaths as Covid. Do not let the demonrats communist atheists control you with fear.

Wow... all that came out of me not agreeing with a pastor who refused to follow protocol... LOL

I do not live in fear... I know many who do... and it is sad to see.

I really don't care what is happening in the world quite frankly... that is probably why I don't own a television. I have however noticed that many seem very pre-occupied with things. The world is full of distractions... the world is self-destructing because of humans. I understand these things... I guess I am just simple minded... It's all noise... and I desire my focus to be on things of heaven.

If you dare tell me I am whining here... I will not be a happy camper... LOL

Funny how the word coward has been used to describe those who aren't screaming and shouting that covid is a hoax... and/or rising up to declare that their rights are being infringed upon.

I really don't care what covid is... or is not... we are still bound to follow the laws of the land. Assembling in church is a luxury... and a privilege... I still think the judge got it right.

 

[BobVance]

A lot of strife was stirred up within these forums during the election... which is probably normal somewhat... but what was NOT normal was the division that it caused within the Christian world. Politics is not a biblical issue.... nor is covid-19... the person you have chosen to call WISE has a reputation of disrespecting and demeaning those who do not take his word for things. THAT is my issue.

I am sorry if you think this kind of behaviour is acceptable... and I am actually not surprised because you and I happened to lock horns yesterday over this exact topic.

There are issues that Christianity and politics do overlap, abortion and homosexuality for example. I believe the Bible is clear on both, yet like it or not, they are political issues. To say otherwise is a fallacy. You have to admit that.

 

[Addy]

There are issues that Christianity and politics do overlap, abortion and homosexuality for example. I believe the Bible is clear on both, yet like it or not, they are political issues. To say otherwise is a fallacy. You have to admit that.

Well... I am not political... and like I stated before... I have never... nor will I ever vote. The government does not dictate what I believe... nor can they force me to believe their agendas. I follow the laws of the land... and it's that simple for me.

I respect those who do vote... just as I respect those who don't... Again... you are missing the point... having strong beliefs is fine. Passion is fine... those things are expressed with how our "writing" comes alive. Unfortunately... there are those who carry this "passion" into absolute rudeness towards others. That is my issue.

I'm not sure what it is you would like me to see... or say.... I have expressed to you what my issue is on several occasions now...

I don't take well to arrogance... rudeness or blanket accusations. It's just how I roll.

 

[Grailhunter]

Wow... all that came out of me not agreeing with a pastor who refused to follow protocol... LOL

I do not live in fear... I know many who do... and it is sad to see.

I really don't care what is happening in the world quite frankly... that is probably why I don't own a television. I have however noticed that many seem very pre-occupied with things. The world is full of distractions... the world is self-destructing because of humans. I understand these things... I guess I am just simple minded... It's all noise... and I desire my focus to be on things of heaven.

If you dare tell me I am whining here... I will not be a happy camper... LOL

Funny how the word coward has been used to describe those who aren't screaming and shouting that covid is a hoax... and/or rising up to declare that their rights are being infringed upon.

I really don't care what covid is... or is not... we are still bound to follow the laws of the land. Assembling in church is a luxury... and a privilege... I still think the judge got it right.

No I would not categorize the side you took as whining. I disagree with your logic on agreeing with it. The fear mongers and the legal enforcement of it. These people are against Christianity and will use any reason to move against it....and you agreed.

 

[Addy]

No I would not categorize the side you took as whining. I disagree with your logic on agreeing with it. The fear mongers and the legal enforcement of it. These people are against Christianity and will use any reason to move against it....and you agreed.

The entire city was under the same advisory. The pastor CHOSE not to obey.... there were consequences. There are consequences to all our actions.... AND... I still think the judge was right to state that a shepherd should protect their flock. So... yeah... I guess that's taking a side.
It's common sense to my way of thinking. Follow the law and you won't go to jail... SIMPLE.

I am editing this to add... that I guess I simply believe that the issue here is large crowds gathering... and this is not a stab at CHRISTIANS. There is indeed a time to stand up for our beliefs... Large church gatherings in the middle of a world wide pandemic is NOT one of them.

 

[Grailhunter]

The entire city was under the same advisory. The pastor CHOSE not to obey.... there were consequences. There are consequences to all our actions.... AND... I still think the judge was right to state that a shepherd should protect their flock. So... yeah... I guess that's taking a side.
It's common sense to my way of thinking. Follow the law and you won't go to jail... SIMPLE.

Some shepherd that would yield to Satan. What would the sheep think of a shepherd that would side with the wolves?! No church should go along with the Covid scare tactics. And that is all they are. The churches here shutdown for a month...that was it. Follow the law!!! What a joke! Are the demonrats trying to track down the BLM rioters that assembled? That burnt cities? That looted businesses? That assaulted and murdered! And they jail a pastor for holding services! You have a weird way of looking at things.

 

[Addy]

Some shepherd that would yield to Satan. What would the sheep think of a shepherd that would side with the wolves?! No church should go along with the Covid scare tactics. And that is all they are. The churches here shutdown for a month...that was it. Follow the law!!! What a joke! Are the demonrats trying to track down the BLM rioters that assembled? That burnt cities? That looted business? That assaulted and murdered! And they jail a pastor for holding services! You have a weird way of looking at things.

You added a whole list of grievances here after the fact... LOL... I'm not talking about anything other than the issue of this pastor who went to jail for breaking protocol over large gatherings. Anyways... I will take my weird way of looking at things.

 

[DuckieLady]

Seatbelts are for my protection...and not a bad idea. I agree that it's for my safety that I use one. But that shouldn't be a law in america.

Just being blunt, but if you get into an accident and die because some teenager was speeding or acting stupid, doesn't that mean the other person can be charged with vehicular manslaughter? That's a lot of guilt for someone else for the rest of their lives or prison.

I was in a car accident in Utah, in the early 90s, when I was a little girl. A teenager took his dad's truck out for a joyride and he was speeding. Hit us from the side, and I remember being jolted forward and my mom holding me back while trying to control the car. Without a seatbelt, it could have been worse and I wonder what would have happened to him if I had gone straight through the windshield instead.

 

[April_Rose]

I was in a car accident in Utah, in the early 90s, when I was a little girl. A teenager took his dad's truck out for a joyride and he was speeding. Hit us from the side, and I remember being jolted forward and my mom holding me back while trying to control the car. Without a seatbelt, it could have been worse and I wonder what would have happened to him if I had gone straight through the windshield instead.

I'm glad that you were okay and wearing your seatbelt. :) (I haven't forgotten about today's lesson btw, but I was sick all morning and busy at the moment.)

 

[DuckieLady]

I'm glad that you were okay and wearing your seatbelt. :) (I haven't forgotten about today's lesson btw, but I was sick all morning and busy at the moment.)

Me too! I got really cool DARE stickers and pencils out of it from the cops though. lol

No problem and hope you feel better! Feeling a bit sick myself off and on all week, too.

 

[April_Rose]

Thanks I basically am feeling better now and hope you will be soon too. It's just sinus and allergy problems for me right now. I'll teach the lesson as soon as I finish everything that I'm doing though. :)

 

[Enoch111]

"It is an issue when someone makes a decision that can affect the health and the lives of thousands of people."

ONLY IF THIS WERE TRUE. BUT THIS IS THE GREATEST HOAX OF ALL TIME. There is absolutely no hard scientific empirical evidence that lockdowns, social distancing, limitations on numbers in gatherings, constant wearing of masks, etc. has had any impact on the incidence of GENUINE cases of COVID. Even Fraudulent Fauci has finally admitted it.

Not only this pastor, but absolutely every church in North America should have refused to allow governments to control how, when, and where Christians may gather for worship. How would all these tyrannical governments have jailed millions of Christians? Using Chinese tactics?

‘We ain’t cancelling Church’: Pastor defies state order to close over COVID mandates
'Enough is enough ... we must obey God rather than man,' Pastor Russell Johnson said of the Washington state government's worship restrictions.
‘We ain’t cancelling Church’: Pastor defies state order to close over COVID mandates

 

[Addy]

By all means @Enoch111 ... there are many who are now going to begin to defy the court orders... there are many who have defied them
before now. This includes the churches.

I believe everyone did the best they could to handle the events of this last year.
I don't have the desire or the interest to pursue "earthly" events more so than that. I try to focus on things that are lovely... noble and pure. This is how I survive. My trust is in the Lord completely... at all times.. and through all things.

I don't have sympathy for these pastors or anyone who chose to go against protocol... and had to pay a penalty ( including jail ). The secular world has perhaps lost way more than the Christians have during this time.... and most of them have chosen to comply with the rules. I shudder to think of a world where people just do as they please without any kind of ORDER. Canada is a land of order. Our government has a lot of pull here... If one does not admire this type of living... there is an entire world for the taking. The freedom of which you seek DOES not exist. Canada is NOT America.

God has used this pandemic to show a great many things to people... such as the importance of the simple things... a home cooked meal... the importance of spending time with the family you have. This pandemic has also served as a reset for VALUES that are important.

I don't see life in the same way as most.

 

[JohnDB]

The problem with that though, is that it may harm others close to you emotionally, if you hurt yourself more or worst because you didn't wear a seatbelt.

Laws like the seatbelt laws and junk food laws, keep in mind that people have families and friends.

I get that...and it is a good idea to wear one.

That's not the subject...the subject is whether the government is right in codifying this as law when there are plenty of similar activities involving equal risk that they actually encourage.

 

[JohnDB]

Just being blunt, but if you get into an accident and die because some teenager was speeding or acting stupid, doesn't that mean the other person can be charged with vehicular manslaughter? That's a lot of guilt for someone else for the rest of their lives or prison.

I was in a car accident in Utah, in the early 90s, when I was a little girl. A teenager took his dad's truck out for a joyride and he was speeding. Hit us from the side, and I remember being jolted forward and my mom holding me back while trying to control the car. Without a seatbelt, it could have been worse and I wonder what would have happened to him if I had gone straight through the windshield instead.

I have said that wearing a seat belt is a good idea.

What is at issue is the codifying of it as a law when there are other activities that carry equal risk that the government is encouraging me to participate in.

How I'm restricted in how I can buy and sell stocks and half of my revenue stream is cut off... because they say that this involves too much risk. But at the same time I should be buying lottery tickets.

Of course wearing a seat belt is a good idea...that's why they put them in vehicles.
Duh!

Should there be a law about your windows being shut in the winter too?