Men, would you have problems being with someone who looks like a Mennonite?

[DuckieLady]

Thanks for the links....I'll sit down with a dozen or so beers and check 'em out........ahhhhhh, forget the beers; not a chance of busting a couple of decades of sobriety.

haha! decades though, very good! that's awesome! sober since Jan 1, 2016 for me. God interfered.

 

[ReChoired]

Thank you, ReChoired. It is not offensive at all and it is a beautiful compliment and very sweet. Just to clear something up, that word is katakaluptó as a verb in the Greek in reference to 1 Corinthians 11:6, which defines a removable covering. The word is also kalupto is also used, 2Corinthians 3:13 where Moses veils his face where they veil is clearly stated as a removable covering.

So I was under the same impression as you for MANY MANY MANY years. Growing up with an Apostolic Pentecostal impressions, it wasn't easy to change my mind. So just BEAR with me, because I know this is not an easy concept and sometimes I know when you're learning something different, it can tick you off. But it's worth it. I promise. Because there's a huge treasure in this, so dig with me.

So you can read in 1 Cor 11:2 that it begins with Paul saying " I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you" - now that statement shows that there is some kind of tradition Paulwassettingcom

At the ending of this chapter, you see through 13-16 that these people are being talked to about their contentiousness, as in 16, meaning there is something about this tradition that they didn't want to do. "If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God." (What this verse means is, "If you have a problem with having to do this, we don't do anything else.")

Now women aren't going to complain about having to do something that is naturally occurring and has no effect on them, but if you read it clearly (I posted more in post #11) you can see that people in the church just simply didn't want to make this extra effort, as our churches just don't today. We did 150 years ago. Notice as the covering diminished, modern feminism came more into place.

The purpose is to not shame her husband by exalting the man's glory (the woman) before the throne of the king. Man doesn't have to cover, because he is the glory of Christ. This is outlined in the whole first paragraph. It is a sign to the angels that she is in obedience to God's natural order and will not disgrace men by flaunting man's glory before God.

"A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man."

This is the part where we get mixed up. We see the reference to nature. "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering."

This isn't the same word used in the above scriptures either - which stated a verb (doing something), but it is peribolaiou, which is also a covering, "that which is thrown around" a "veil" BUT this is nothing other than showing an example that is independent in nature, but isn't the tradition of the church, where people were actually expected to do something that Paul stated they were being contentious about.

Best way to understand it, would you get mad because you had to grow your hair out every Sunday (or in your case Saturday) for church?

It also cannot be cultural, because it was regarded "As a sign to the angels," which eliminates the possibility of it being cultural or for a time.

Hope that makes sense. :)

I see where you are going with the logic, and it seems at first to make sense, but there are several slight flaws therein (which I can show from scripture) that you may not yet see. However, since this thread is not about that topic specifically, I do not desire to continue to respond to that issue here. :) If you desire, we might discuss this in another place, as I feel that your overall topic is much more important than this particular point here (though I acknowledge it is included within the larger scope, but still let me not detract from the greater to pick at the smaller). And even in the end, if after I show you all things on the texts under discussion, you disagree, well, as I said before, I would not force a person to remove that which they believe (by conscience in what they understand in God's word, even if it is incorrect) to cease, though I would pray for such persons to continue learning that eventually we might be in harmony together on the text. :) Manuia le po, tuafafine. Alofa atu.

 

[quietthinker]

haha! decades though, very good! that's awesome! sober since Jan 1, 2016 for me. God interfered.

Good on yer Fluffy....now has that been 5 yrs of solitary confinement or 5 of drinking from the water of life?

 

[DuckieLady]

Good on yer Fluffy....now has that been 5 yrs of solitary confinement or 5 of drinking from the water of life?

technically both, being put and isolated in a spiritual desert leads to a great thirst. there's a lot out there now that makes it easier. shut out the world and get into the word and there's a stirring up in the spirit that takes place. not a lot of fun for the flesh but you have to set your mind on the things of God

 

[quietthinker]

technically both, being put and isolated in a spiritual desert leads to a great thirst. there's a lot out there now that makes it easier. shut out the world and get into the word and there's a stirring up in the spirit that takes place. not a lot of fun for the flesh but you have to set your mind on the things of God

ahh, yeah, the flesh! ....they come in at night while I'm asleep and think they can trip me up in my dreams....stealthy little slime balls! ...but you know that even in my sleep God is there to give strength and resolve and to overcome....it's just fantastic. It gives a whole new understanding of 'I will never leave you or forsake you'

 

[CadyandZoe]

I read one just like that in Psalm 92 the other day!

I have time really quick, so I'll copy/paste something I already wrote on here for the covering... It's faster.

This took like four years of studying to be fully convinced. In the Greek, too.



The Covering

"Covering does not affect a woman's salvation. Women only stopped covering in the last 150 years as feminism progressed. It was a normal thing to do and the veils shrunk until they disappeared- and the giant Easter bonnets that replaced them disappeared. It isn't taught in a lot of churches and so much that people think it's for the purpose of humility.

It's not, it's a sign to the angels (1 Cor 11:10) which eliminates it being cultural or for a time of being obedience to God's natural order (man over the woman, Christ over head of man) when she prays or prophesies. Man is God's glory, woman is man's glory, and her covering prevents disgracing her head (meaning the men - or personally, for herself, husband/father/etc, v. 5), by man's glory being exalted in the presence of the king. Men, like Moses, uncovered. Women cover.

A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. - 1 Cor 11:7

If you believe that the woman's hair is her crown of glory, then by covering her head she willingly does what the fallen angels would not.

Most women will not be taught about it in churches today and it takes getting into the Greek to actually understand it. I can't read it any other way now. It's too early to explain more, but I can answer if anyone has questions.

We can't shame women for these things.

Woman covered, woman uncovered - the covering does not make the woman. Knowledge and obedience of the truth and faith in Christ makes the woman. Ps 68:11 "The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng"

The Dresses

Not really scripturally based, but the motive is modesty. I don't think it's a sin to wear pants. However, I do think pants do accentuate too much, and so the goal is to "hide more" and to be pure for my future husband (should that happen) and in order to not cause another man to stumble (Matt 5:28), or to take a husband's eye away from his wife. It also has other benefits, especially in eliminating the feeling of competition between sisters within the church, and women don't feel intimidated and wondering "IS MY HUSBAND CHECKING HER OUT?!" The answer is probably not.

The goal in the Christian life for the woman should be to present herself with beauty through holiness, purity, quietness, gentleness with respect to herself and to others - as in the scripture you quoted, and not by worldly fashions, flashiness, and excessiveness or a big sign saying "LOOK AT ME."

“For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” - Matthew 23:12

And to be honest, both men and women treat me differently with more respect. I do not get cat-called ever anymore and strangers treat me very kindly. I do not usually attract negative attention and that is not the kind I want in the first place- if I want someone to look at me I want someone to love my inner qualities and see me, so that throws out a whole bunch of harassment that I no longer have to put up with. They already know not to try.

While not married, and knowing I am waiting, I try to keep Proverbs 31:11 in mind for the future, should it come, but also as a form of character that MUST fall in place, regardless:

"The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. "

Because it's never too early and these things take a lifetime of practice anyway, especially until you begin to know it in your heart, and it takes a while before you start to feel the benefits of being obedience to God's will for his design.

"....but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious." 1 Peter 3:4

I commend you for your modesty and your commitment to serving the Lord. It's a gift to be single and perhaps you have this gift. I'm not saying that eventually the right man might not come along, but as long as you have this gift, you have the time and resources to serve the Lord. One of my very best friends, Margaret, never got married and I consider her to be a person of good character, above reproach, and very generous with her time and resources. She does great things, though most people are unaware because she lives a quiet and unassuming life. She is smart and highly educated and yet she is humble and kind and good and generous and patient etc.

I write this post as a form of a hug and to encourage you to keep serving the Lord as he directs. And keep putting your beliefs into practice and never doubt yourself.

Blessings to you sister.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes indeed and we must hold the words of Our Lord upon our hearts with much thanksgiving .
I am a firm believer that if error is spotted it must be corrected . For the sake of all .
cause i have watched what even a little leaven , if allowed to remain , can do to not only a person , but an entire flock .
Thus we must keep the pattern identical to How JESUS set it and later the apostels by the Spirit would expound upon and keep as well .
Let us embrace every wholesome word of JESUS . And let us not entertain strange doctrine .
I did research many churches . And when i first heard of seeker friendly , SISTER , i knew it was a death trap
which would leaven the flock . And it did . We cannot pander to the world to win the world , we must speak truth .
And whoever comes amen and whoever rejects its on them . Known unto Christ is exactly how to keep a church safe
and thriving . He left us his teachings , WHICH the Holy Ghost would confirm on our hearts .
And the wonderous holy scrips sure will make one wise unto salvation through their FAITH in CHRIST .

Brother speaks the truth from the scriptures and how we should be with the church. Keeping it simple and only following doctrine from the bible. The biblical Lord Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

Men, would you have problems being with someone who looks like a Mennonite?
I'd like to address this again...
While I would like to think that appearances don't matter I would need to qualify it. Having a wife that got around like a porn star or tizzed up hair would be totally unacceptable.....so there you go, I do care about appearances!.....that's knocked my ego around.

Sooo, where do I draw the line in real terms of preference?.....A burkha is outta the question....I wanna look at that pretty face and feel warm not jump with fright when an ominous looking shape slides up besides me.

As I said earlier in the thread, modesty wins the day in all areas. Sometimes I watch films set in a past period where the fashion was hoops and voluminous dresses....some scenes show these girls dragging their threads through muddy streets and I think, what foolishness and I imagine the time and energy required to get those things washed and dried and clean again let alone storing them.

There needs to be a practical approach with a willingness to have ones life ordered and clean. I love simplicity, functionality and harmony and if that means taking a shovel for the horse, it means taking a shovel.

 

[Taken]

Men, would you have problems being with someone who looks like a Mennonite?
OP^

Observe the animal kingdom.
Males...within their own kind, all look alike.
The male exhibits its strength.
The strength reveals it "Care-Taking" ability.
The "care taking" ability, reveals to females,
... the "ability" AND "willingness" of the male to BE a suitable mate.

The point being. The male "reveals" his "character", his "ability", his "willingness"...
And the female, "allows" or "rejects".

Humans have sort of flipped and minimized the order and way.
Women flaunt "looks", reveal "flesh", highlight "ability" to financially care for themselves, and "reveal"... what?
Minimal "character" of "any" man will do....

All day long, men without "ability" to provide care, without "willingness" to provide care...
Take the bait. And?
Well, the list is too long to list here all the pressures, failures, and negative consequences.

You appear to be a woman in "Waiting", for a male, with "ability" and "willingness".
That's great.

I would merely suggest...Broading your circle.
Meaning if your circle, work, home, restaurants, church, etc. is narrowed with unavailable unattached willing male suiters...maybe your circle is too narrow.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Jay Ross]

Wisdom is knowing how to say, "No," to those who would want you for all of the wrong reasons.

Patience to find the right person is a quality that should be admired.

This works well on both sides of the looking glass through which we all squint.

 

[Tone]

I wouldn't mind a Womannonite...

 

[quietthinker]

I wouldn't mind a Womannonite...

lol...good on you Tone!