See 1 John 1:8. It condemns you as deceiving yourself and it tells all of us that the truth is not in you.
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Behold
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He has mastered the lingo of saying the same thing wrong, in many different directions.
4 example, He will tell you that water is necessary, then in the next post deny he said it, then in the next, he'll post 8 verse that he says "proves" that water is required, then in the next he'll say that water has no "magic power".
Then, he'll post 4 more verses in the next post that he says prove that Act's 2, has to be the Gospel, because there is water in that chapter.
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I gave you the short version.
Most assuredly, 1 John 3:9 is very likely hyperbole; exaggeration to make a point.
What point?
That when a person is born again, they have made a 180-degree turn away from sin and are now walking in the direction of righteousness.
As it is written,
Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
My position, which has not been compromised, is that water baptism in Jesus' name has the power to save; but not that it is the only method by which a person can be saved.
A person can be saved by calling on the name of the Lord only, for example (Romans 10:13).
You are trying to confuse things like the typical demonic puppet.
Behold
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"corruption shall put on incorruption".
If you are born again.....You will get a new body that is not corrupted, because the one your born again Spirit is WEARING is rotting and dying while you watch it AGE and head to the grave.
The born again Spirit is "renewed every day", but the dying corrupted body, is not.....its aging and dying.
See, if you are born again, you are NOT THAT BODY.
You are IN IT< but not OF IT.
Its your BODY that has to be changed,...." in the twinkling of an eye"....(Rapture), so that it matches the born again Spirit that is "circumcised from that Flesh", when a person is born again.
See, the born again Spirit, is not connected to that BODY........= Colossians 2.
THe born again Spirit is now connected to GOD....."One with GOD and CHRIST".
This is why the verse says we are "in the world but not of it".
= our bodies are here, and our mind is in the body, but our SPIRIT is born again into GOD's Spirit.
See.....the Born Again Spirit is a NEW CREATiON< that is STUCK inside a CORRUPTED BODY that has to be replaced by the NEW ONE, = "put on incorruption".
gnosticism.
Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Behold
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If you say that water has the power to save, which you keep SAYING..... then you have denied that its only the Blood Of Jesus that is the Atonement.
Do you believe you can keep saying this in public, and everything stay the same in your life?
Listen... did water hang on The Cross? Did water shed it's Blood?
If it did then continue to rant your heresy, in public, about WATER CAN SAVE= that is the "cult of the virgin" and Jehovah's Witness's, false Cross rejection doctrine.
But if you realize that WATER is not the Blood, and God would have no way to USE WATER to save you, ......if you can see this, then stop trying to teach what is false and offends the Holy Spirit.
Behold
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Behold
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Yes, the born again get a new body.
Its the one that our born again Spirit is made to indwell for eternity.
Its the same type that Jesus was wearing when He came out of the Tomb.
No, I keep saying that water baptism has the power to save. There is a difference.
There are no magical properties in the water that saves a man.
The baptism in water saves in that it is a perfect representation of being buried and risen with Christ as a confession of Jesus before men (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).
The blood is in the water (compare Acts of the Apostles 2:38 and Hebrews 9:22)
Behold
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Actually they are walking IN Righteousness being MADE Righteous.
The rest is "working out your salvation", that you have been given, as "the gift of Salvation".
To work that out, is to learn how to exist in : Hebrews 13:9.
You start there and stay there.
Behold
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The blood of Jesus is the only Power that can save via the Holy Spirit.= born again.
Your water cult heresy is offending the Holy Spirit.
No; I believe that He wants to be given to people as the result of being baptized in Jesus' Name (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39)
Behold
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And why does God not charge any born again person with their carnal deeds? (works of the flesh)..
Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge you with your misbehavior, or your carnality, or what we think of as sin.
Why is that?
Its because God can't charge you for your sin if you are born again.. Why? Because He has already charged Jesus for them ALL.
Jesus BECAME and BORE our SIN.
All of it.
God can't charge you and Jesus for the same SIN.
What sin? ALL OF THEM. Yesterdays, Today's, and Tomorrows.
What is "eternal Life"?
Its the forever effect of being sinless, because Christ has paid for all your sin.
So, you end up, born again, sinless, as Righteous as God, having been "made Righteous" by God.
When we go to the Cross and believe in Jesus.....= God takes our sin and Christ dies for them all.
ALL of them.
He then takes His own righteousness, and puts this on us and in us, and we become "the righteousness of GOD.....in Christ".
What about tomorrows sin?
They are paid for 2000 Yrs ago by Jesus's BLOOD.
Thats where they are.
We are born again, as a "new Creation"........"new" = brand new.......>SINLESS.........and that is our Born Again Spirit.
Its always just like that......sinless, righteous., being made so and kept so, by the BLood OF JESUS.
The blood of Jesus that saved you, keeps you saved.
The blood of Jesus, is GOD's BLOOD, and it can't fail you.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
How to see all this?
Is to understand that the REAL YOU, is not your body, and is not your thinking, or even your behavior.
If you are born again, then the REAL YOU< is the "NEW CREATION" "in Christ">
That is who you become when you are born again, and that is all that God ever sees of you, again.
He always and only sees you as RIGHTEOUS.......'made righteous"....."new creation in Christ".
When we learn to see ourselves this way, is when we have understood God's Grace correctly, and that is the beginning of our real relationship with God as a disciple who will see spiritual results.
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There are only 2 ministries.
1. Called to lead people to Christ
2. Called to teach people how to see themselves as God sees them.
Thats it.
There are different "anointings" that are categorized as "5 fold ministry".....and this is defined as the "call".
But the end result of all 5 anointed positions, is..
1. Lead people to Christ
2. Teach people how to see themselves as God sees them.
These ministries can overlap.
Sometimes a Missionary (Apostle), has to be the pastor of a church he has caused to be created from blocks and a roof made of sticks in a African Jungle.
So, He is having to work as 2 offices, or "callings"....... Missionary and Pastor.
Im a Teaching Evangelist who is a musician. Im not a Pastor, yet, i can function as that, if need be.
So, all the offices are joined, but each is specific., also.
God could call you to be a Missionary or an Evangelist, and maybe you'll have to be a teacher if you ended up, (through God's Spirit) causing a small group in Odessa or in Belize to become a church.
And its in the RIght Believing, that we find Christ's power to live the holy life.
WE learn to SEE ourselves, only as GOD has recreated us to be, as a "new creation IN CHRIST".
When we learn to see ourselves this way, then our walk with God becomes "walking in the Spirit".
cant find that verse in the Bible
Or the give your heart to Christ one either
Or here’s an oldie but a goodie “accept Christ as your personal Lord and savior”!
as if you can have a personal covenant with God?
But these are in the Bible
Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”
John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)
John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (IBaptism)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
Born again means Baptismal regeneration!
Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(Saved by baptism)
Acts 8:36
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Philip preached Jesus and the result is justification by baptism!
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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