No authority!

[theefaith]

Luke 2:30 does not remotely say what you just said.

Luke 2:
[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

no that’s Lk 1:30

lk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Jesus is our salvation and Mary is His mother
Mother of our salvation

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus is our salvation and Mary is His mother
Mother of our salvation

Clever but deceptive word play. Jesus is our Savior. Mary is the mother of our savior. God is the Father of our Savior. I have no issue with Mary being the mother of our Savior. She is not the mother of our salvation. The Father, the Father only is the source of all things, especially our salvation. Give God the glory.

 

[justbyfaith]

Cherry-picking won't help your argument.

Picking out the verse that applies chekaritomene as applying to Mary (don't know if I spelled that right) is cherry-picking, even by your standard.

the devide of Christ and Belial!

Yes, but in the opposite way than you think.

 

[Behold]

Yes, another attempt by Jesus to steer people away from unduly exalting his earthly mother above any other believer.

Mary is special.
She gave birth to God.
She is "blessed among women", but she is not blessed above them, or anyone else, as some cults teach.

And, all of the born again are special, we are all a part of God's Spirit. "One with God".
It does not get any more "special" then that ........

Mary is not "queen of heaven", and she is not able to resolve anyone's sin.
As a matter of fact, God had to resolve her sin, using the shed blood of her 1st Born.
We are not to pray to or worship anyone but Christ and Father God

 

[theefaith]

Clever but deceptive word play. Jesus is our Savior. Mary is the mother of our savior. God is the Father of our Savior. I have no issue with Mary being the mother of our Savior. She is not the mother of our salvation. The Father, the Father only is the source of all things, especially our salvation. Give God the glory.

And Mary found favor with God Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

 

[Behold]

Another ignorant rant.
Time to take YOU out to the Scriptural woodshed . . .

In John's Gospel, Jesus refers to His Mother as "Woman" (John 2:4, 19:26).
This correlates directly to the "Woman" in Gen. 3:15 and in Rev. 12.
Jesus defeats death on Calvary (Skull place) and fulfills the prophecy in Gen. 3:15 about the offspring of the WOMAN. Mary is present at the foot of the cross while this is happening - and what does Jesus call her in John 19:26? He calls her “WOMAN”, because the prophecy about the head of the serpent being crushed by HER offspring in Genesis is taking place right there on Calvary.
"Woman" is a title of honor and respect.

As to your moronic comment above in RED - this is utter nonsense. In Luke 1:28, the Angel calls mary, "Kecharitomene".
This is a perfect participle that translates as:
"Completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace". It indicates a completed action with a PERMANENT result.

NOBODY else in ALL of Scripture is given tis title.
And YOU foolishly believe Jesus regarded His mother as "unimportant" . . .

You left out the part where Jesus told her that John is now her son, and she is John's mother.
Dont forget that part, as the commentaries you are using, left that one out.

Also, Catholics worship Mary. Their Pope kisses statues of Mary.
To you this seems normal, but to anyone who is spiritual, it seems demonic.
You can try to find out why.

Also...
Mary is special.
She gave birth to God.
She is "blessed among women", but she is not blessed above them, or anyone else, as some water cults teach.

And, all of the born again are special, (not the water baptized, but the born again)...= we are all a part of God's Spirit. "One with God".
It does not get any more "special" then that ........

Mary is not "queen of heaven", and she is not able to resolve anyone's sin.
As a matter of fact, God had to resolve her sin, using the shed blood of her 1st Born.
We are not to pray to or worship anyone but Christ and Father God.
So, when you exalt Mary, you are performing paganism, as its certainly not of God to exalt any person, as you do, and as the religious organization that deceived you, does as well.

There was an occasion in the NT, when someone tried to worship Peter, and Peter corrected him.
If Mary was here, she'd correct you, but as that is not to happen, you'll just have to find your own way out of your spiritual darkness.
The reason you'll have issues in this regard, is because you adore it too much.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Picking out the verse that applies chekaritomene as applying to Mary (don't know if I spelled that right) is cherry-picking, even by your standard.

No it's not because there are NO semingly-contradictory verses.

In other words - there are SEVERAL verse of Scripture that show different views on salvation and sanctification which appear to be contradictory - until you read them ALL in their proper context.
NO such about Mary's title of Kecharitomene exist - except for Luke 1:28.

This isn't "cherry-picking".
It's the ONLY verse in which this term is used - so learn the difference.

 

[theefaith]

Mary is special.
She gave birth to God.
She is "blessed among women", but she is not blessed above them, or anyone else, as some cults teach.

And, all of the born again are special, we are all a part of God's Spirit. "One with God".
It does not get any more "special" then that ........

Mary is not "queen of heaven", and she is not able to resolve anyone's sin.
As a matter of fact, God had to resolve her sin, using the shed blood of her 1st Born.
We are not to pray to or worship anyone but Christ and Father God

rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

how much more the immaculate queen of heaven ever Virgin mother of God!!!

 

[theefaith]

You left out the part where Jesus told her that John is now her son, and she is John's mother.
Dont forget that part, as the commentaries you are using, left that one out.

Also, Catholics worship Mary. Their Pope kisses statues of Mary.
To you this seems normal, but to anyone who is spiritual, it seems demonic.
You can try to find out why.

Also...
Mary is special.
She gave birth to God.
She is "blessed among women", but she is not blessed above them, or anyone else, as some water cults teach.

And, all of the born again are special, (not the water baptized, but the born again)...= we are all a part of God's Spirit. "One with God".
It does not get any more "special" then that ........

Mary is not "queen of heaven", and she is not able to resolve anyone's sin.
As a matter of fact, God had to resolve her sin, using the shed blood of her 1st Born.
We are not to pray to or worship anyone but Christ and Father God.
So, when you exalt Mary, you are performing paganism, as its certainly not of God to exalt any person, as you do, and as the religious organization that deceived you, does as well.

There was an occasion in the NT, when someone tried to worship Peter, and Peter corrected him.
If Mary was here, she'd correct you, but as that is not to happen, you'll just have to find your own way out of your spiritual darkness.
The reason you'll have issues in this regard, is because you adore it too much.

The apostle John represents all Christians in being the spiritual child of Mary, as we all must be,


Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Mary is Spiritual Mother of Christians!

Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

All graces come thru Her that’s why Her spiritual children keep the commandments and testimony of Jesus in faithful obedience cos She is the means of graces we receive by the merits of Jesus!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You left out the part where Jesus told her that John is now her son, and she is John's mother.
Dont forget that part, as the commentaries you are using, left that one out.

Also, Catholics worship Mary. Their Pope kisses statues of Mary.
To you this seems normal, but to anyone who is spiritual, it seems demonic.
You can try to find out why.

Also...
Mary is special.
She gave birth to God.
She is "blessed among women", but she is not blessed above them, or anyone else, as some water cults teach.

And, all of the born again are special, we are all a part of God's Spirit. "One with God".
It does not get any more "special" then that ........

Mary is not "queen of heaven", and she is not able to resolve anyone's sin.
As a matter of fact, God had to resolve her sin, using the shed blood of her 1st Born.
We are not to pray to or worship anyone but Christ and Father God.
So, when you exalt Mary, you are performing paganism, as its certainly not of God to exalt any person, as you do, and as the religious organization that deceived you, does as well.

There was an occasion in the NT, when someone tried to worship Peter, and Peter corrected him.
If Mary was here, she'd correct you, but as that is not to happen, you'll just have to find your own way out of your spiritual darkness.
The reason you'll have issues in this regard, is because you adore it too much.

And there you go LYING again - which makes MY job ALL the easier . . .

First of all - Catholic's don't "worship" anybody other than GOD.
To do so is idolatry.

Secondly - Catholics don't believe that Mary can resolve - or "absovle" there sins.

Finally - YOUR claim that we are not to pray to anyone but Christ and the Father - show me the BIBLE verse that makes this claim, Sola Scripturist.

Until you can DO that - you're just blowing more of your hot wind . . .

 

[theefaith]

And there you go LYING again - which makes MY job ALL the easier . . .

First of all - Catholic's don't "worship" anybody other than GOD.
To do so is idolatry.

Secondly - Catholics don't believe that Mary can resolve - or "absovle" there sins.

Finally - YOUR claim that we are not to pray to anyone but Christ and the Father - show me the BIBLE verse that makes this claim, Sola Scripturist.

Until you can DO that - you're just blowing more of your hot wind . . .

fundamentalists don’t require the rational ability of thinking men, fundamentalism the faith without reason

 

[Behold]

And there you go LYING again - which makes MY job ALL the easier . . .

First of all - Catholic's don't "worship" anybody other than GOD.
To do so is idolatry.
Secondly - Catholics don't believe that Mary can resolve - or "absovle" there sins.
Finally - YOUR claim that we are not to pray to anyone but Christ and the Father - show me the BIBLE verse that makes this claim, Sola Scripturist.

Until you can DO that - you're just blowing more of your hot wind . . .

So, you are teaching that we are to pray to statues on walls and statues inside cathedrals.
Yes, i know you believe this, or you would not say the bible does not say we can't.

How many saints do you pray to, Mary worshiper?
How many saint's medal's do you have?
How many days are delegated as a "saints' day by your cult?

So, who do you think you are fooling with your redundant and retarded lying?

Your "blessed virgin"..... who your cult says, is still a virgin, is understood by your cult to be a "meditrix", with Christ being the Mediator.

You have heard of....>"pray for us now and at the hour of our death"?, as if Mary can see each catholic, a couple of billion at the same time, and see you die?

Thats CRAZY .
Do you understand CRAZY? You should, as your cult is full of this nonsense.

And how many statues of Mary have you seen in your life, ? And yet none of that is Idolatry?
And how many photos of the Pope do you want me to post here again, so that you can see this person's idolatry as he kisses her stature.
Are you ready for more?

 

[Behold]

The apostle John represents all Christians in being the spiritual child of Mary, as we all must be,


Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

What i like about you, is that you just come right out with the Catholic Doctrine.
You are not ashamed of it , at all.
This is unlike BreadofLife who tries to hide it and veil it, or just denies it.
Marymog, does not actually know any, so, that's a little different.

So, let me show you something....theefaith.

We are BORN.....and by being born, we become someone's child.
The only way we could be Mary's spiritual child, as your cult teaches.... is if she has the power to cause us to be born again, which is what Catholic doctrine teaches, but, they try to wrap it deeply in faux semantics so that it does not sound as if they teach this, but they do.
The "cult of the virgin", teaches that mary is a Mediatrix, or a 2nd mediator, with Christ being the 1st.
She helps him get people born again, is the simple way to understand the "cult of the virgin" false doctrine.

So, for mary to be your spiritual birth mother, as your cult teaches, then she has to cause people to be born again, as that is the spiritual birth.

She is not able to do that........She is just a human, a sinner, saved by God's Grace, through the blood of her 1st Born,.
She is "blessed among women" but not blessed above them.

 

[theefaith]

So, you are teaching that we are to pray to statues on walls and statues inside cathedrals.
Yes, i know you believe this, or you would not say the bible does not say we can't.

How many saints do you pray to, Mary worshiper?
How many saint's medal's do you have?
How many days are delegated as a "saints' day by your cult?

So, who do you think you are fooling with your redundant and retarded lying?

Your "blessed virgin"..... who your cult says, is still a virgin, is understood by your cult to be a "meditrix", with Christ being the Mediator.

You have heard of....>"pray for us now and at the hour of our death"?, as if Mary can see each catholic, a couple of billion at the same time, and see you die?

Thats CRAZY .
Do you understand CRAZY? You should, as your cult is full of this nonsense.

And how many statues of Mary have you seen in your life, ? And yet none of that is Idolatry?
And how many photos of the Pope do you want me to post here again, so that you can see this person's idolatry as he kisses her stature.
Are you ready for more?

you forgot the crucifix is that idolatry also?

 

[justbyfaith]

No it's not because there are NO semingly-contradictory verses.

There are no contradictory verses to 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), and 1 John 3:9, either.

Yet you accuse me of cherry-picking them.

So, either your verse on kecharitomene is cherry-picking or else my verses are not.

Also, my verses show clearly that your interpretation of the verse in question ("kecharitomene") is faulty.

For it should be clear that by one offering the Lord has perfected for ever those who are sanctified (Hebrews 10:14). Now compare that to 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv) and you might see that the way that I have said it, is the correct translation.

As also, reading Hebrews 10:10 will also show that the way that I have said it is the correct translation.

 

[Behold]

you forgot the crucifix is that idolatry also?

You mean wearing one on your necklace, or getting a Cross Tattoo?
I do this......<B>< ....... because i acknowledge publically that im part of "the Way", which is how the early Christians defined their "i make you fishers of Men", faith

So that FISH <>< is a symbol and i use it here..

I have a Painting posted in my "behold" Alt Box, and that is Jesus, resurrected, with people clinging to their Lord.

So, there is a mile of difference between all i just wrote, and kissing a stature, and praying to a stature, and praying to the "blessed virgin", as that is not being done SYMBOLICALLY.

 

[Taken]

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.[/QUOTE]

God was the law giver, to Moses, to the People.
Aaron was the Appointed Priest, followed by his sons appointment.
Israel Tribes carried on, with Levi's appointment, and his sons.
Jesus appointed His Disciples and Apostles.

Hebrew teaching Hebrews.
Jews teaching Jews and other Tribesmen.

Who appointed the Gentiles?
Who began changing Jesus' Doctrines?
Who began appointing men Holy Earthly fathers?
Who began Denying Priests marriage and reproducing sons to carry on Jesus' Gospel ministry?
Who began calling Mary the mother of God?
Who began proclaiming Mary sinless?
Who began teaching Mary bodily Rose to Heaven?
Who began calling Mary Queen of Heaven sitting in Gods Throne?
Who began making statues and idols and bowing down and kissing them?
....and ON and ON...
It wasn't Gods appointed.
It wasn't Jesus' appointed.

 

[theefaith]

What i like about you, is that you just come right out with the Catholic Doctrine.
You are not ashamed of it , at all.
This is unlike BreadofLife who tries to hide it and veil it, or just denies it.
Marymog, does not actually know any, so, that's a little different.

So, let me show you something....theefaith.

We are BORN.....and by being born, we become someone's child.
The only way we could be Mary's spiritual child, as your cult teaches.... is if she has the power to cause us to be born again, which is what Catholic doctrine teaches, but, they try to wrap it deeply in faux semantics so that it does not sound as if they teach this, but they do.
The "cult of the virgin", teaches that mary is a Mediatrix, or a 2nd mediator, with Christ being the 1st.
She helps him get people born again, is the simple way to understand the "cult of the virgin" false doctrine.

So, for mary to be your spiritual birth mother, as your cult teaches, then she has to cause people to be born again, as that is the spiritual birth.

She is not able to do that........She is just a human, a sinner, saved by God's Grace, through the blood of her 1st Born,.
She is "blessed among women" but not blessed above them.

exactly
Mary suffering at the cross birth pangs bringing forth her children in the new creation with the new Adam

or as prophesied Lk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed

Christ is our salvation
Mary is His mother
Mother of our salvation

 

[Taken]

In your usual long-winded, psychotic-rant syle -

Pretty confidant you aged a bit since our last encounter, even had a bit of hope you might had gained some wisdom...
But I see that you are stuck, always opening with some intended derogatory remark, then carrying promoting your extra-Biblical doctrine.

Seriously, you should try reading the Scripture for True Knowledge and Asking God for His True Understanding....Because your man-made teaching is a fail.

 

[Taken]

lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.


matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

the issue or favor is salvation that’s why the angel explains His name!

mother of our salvation!

Heb 7:
[1] For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.