No authority!

[Ferris Bueller]

I see you refuse to be reasoned with.

That's right. You will never win me over to cold dead religious ceremonies and liturgy. The kingdom of God is not about the eating and drinking of our official and approved ceremonies and procedures and doctrinal constructs. You've missed it if you think that's what Christianity is all about. You just plain missed it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Not understanding something is one thing, refusing to understand is something else.

It's because I understand quite well what Catholicism is all about that I refuse to accept it. See, being in the Spirit looks like the fruit of the Spirit, not how you perform your religious ceremonies and what you believe about them. The fruit of the Spirit is how you please God and are approved by men. That is the true faith and religion of Christianity.

You have exalted anti-Catholicism to a religion...

No, Catholicism is a religion, not Anti-Catholicism. Anti-Catholicism is simply rejecting the 'eating and drinking' of meaningless and powerless religious activities and ceremonies and liturgy and doctrines and instead doing what pleases God and what men approve.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He HONORED His mother and would never diminish her importance

Correct. But neither did he exalt her beyond what was fitting. See, we, too, are blessed along with Mary when the Word of God comes into us and we bear the Christ child in us according to the fruit of the Spirit.

19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you Galatians 4:19
​

All believers are in the pains of birthing the Son of God. We're all blessed with Mary in our obedience to bear the Christ child.

 

[CadyandZoe]

saint Alphonse Lugori doctor of the church
Glories of Mary interpretation of many scriptures concerning Mary!

Mary, the mother of Jesus was indeed a brave woman. But Lugori isn't talking about Mary. He worships Ishtar.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Are they Paul's words or the words of the Holy Spirit of God? If you read St Augustine, you would know that revealed truth does not have to come from the intent of the words that birthed the revelation to the hearer/reader by the power of the HS. If you have not experienced what I am talking about, what a shame.

Ravi Zacharias gave a testimony that upon hearing a priest in India read to him at deaths door, John 14:19-21, it changed the trajectory of his life. I believe Luther had a similar experience with a different verse and I with several others. It is not the objective meaning of the words but the power the HS gives to the subjective reader in their life at that moment.

Again, a pastor I talked to said he experience the word is alive this profound way also. He could read the same verse many times over the decades. All of a sudden he reads it and it is like a lightening bolt going through your soul to eternity.


Because I live, you will also live. 20 At that time, you will know that I am in the Father, you are in Me, and I am in you. 21 The one who loves Me will do the things I have commanded. My Father loves everyone who loves Me; and I will love you and reveal My heart, will, and nature to you.
John 14:19-21 (VOICE)

They are Paul's words. Augustine is wrong. I do not question your experience or the power you witnessed. All I'm saying is that you make a mistake to support your experience with Hebrews 4.

 

[CadyandZoe]

WRONG.

1. I gave you FIVE links debunking Hislop's excrement:
The Two Babylons | Christian Research Institute
Hislop's Babylonian Mystery Religion Teaching Exposed
https://www.scribd.com/document/363776878/an-lsm-myth-debunked-nimrod-madonna-the-two-babylons
Alexander Hislop's "The Two Babylons" is Not Reliable
Nimrod & Alexander Hislop DEBUNKED (THE TRUTH about Nimrod, Hislop & Semiramis)

2. WRONG. Limbo was ALWAYS just a way of tryinhg to reason what happens to the unbaptized child.

3. As I proved to you - the idea of Final Purification (Purgatory) and praying for the dead finds its origins in Judaism and the OT (2 Macc. 42-46). And again - it is also taught in the NT (1 Cor. 3:12-15, Matt. 12:32, Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59).

4. Eating meat was NEVER the issue. It was ALWAYS about disobedience and a rejection of the truth.
YOUR ignorance is noted . . .

5. NOWHERE does the Church teach that wearing a brown scapular alone wil save you. That's an anti-Catholic LIE.

6. The Church NEVER sold indulgences. this was an ABUSE that was comitted by a few people like Johann Tetzel in Germany.
Do your homework.

Oh - and people were forbidden from TRANSATING unauthorized versions of the Bible into different languages.
The reason for this was BAD translations and perverted doctrine - like the ones YOU practice . . ..

Pedophilia.

 

[Brakelite]

From Wikipedia:

Protestant Reformation[edit]

Tetzel's coffer, on display at the St. Nikolai church in Jüterbog
The scandalous conduct of the "pardoners" was an immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation.[3] In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his Ninety-five Theses, condemning what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In Thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs".[42] The Ninety-five Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the Pope's right to grant pardons on God's behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God's power alone.
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It was not only Johann Tetzel that offered indulgences, but Pope Leo X.

The upshot of it all is that indulgences are still available if certain rites, days, jubilees, prayers, pilgrimages etc etc are observed. Salvation is still for sale.

 

[Behold]

,

Where do YOU get the bizarre idea that He was knocking His mother?? Being the perfect Jew who observed the Law perfectly - He HONORED His mother and would never diminish her importance - even if anti-Catholics DO . . .

Jesus never created the idea that Mary is "important".
Even on the Cross he didn't refer to her as "mother, he referred to her as "woman".

Jesus knew of the Pagan "goddess Diana" who is known and revered by pagans as "the queen of Heaven", long before "the cult of the virgin" gave Mary her false title.

And just to show the readers here how unimportant is Mary, you can read a few NT verses that say...

Matthew 12:47-50

"Someone told Jesus , "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."

"Jesus replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?"
"Pointing to his >disciples<, He said, = "HERE are my MOTHER and my brothers."
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is = my brother and sister and mother".

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And just to show the readers here how unimportant is Mary, you can read a few NT verses that say...

Matthew 12:47-50

"Someone told Jesus , "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."

"Jesus replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?"
"Pointing to his >disciples<, He said, = "HERE are my MOTHER and my brothers."
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is = my brother and sister and mother".

Yes, another attempt by Jesus to steer people away from unduly exalting his earthly mother above any other believer.

 

[Taken]

All in and thru His one true church!
We must be taught Lk 1:4 matt 28:19

Eh, very acceptable for individuals to READ Scripture in their own homes.

Billions of Bibles have been printed and sold and given away to individuals.

Matt 21:
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures...

1 Tim 4:
[13] Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine...

 

[theefaith]

but your not authorized to make your own doctrine

 

[theefaith]

Doctrine of St. Francis of Sales upon Devotion to Mary.

HOLY Church, speaking of the most Blessed Virgin, says that she went up from the desert of
this world flowing with delights, leaning upon her Beloved. In fact, all the praises bestowed upon
the Saints, and upon Mary in particular, terminate in Christ our Lord ; because all these praises should be directed to the glory of her Divine Son, Who led her by His grace to the most exalted
degree of merit and happiness.
It is related in Scripture that the Queen of Saba, taking a multitude of gifts to Jerusalem, offered themalltoSolomon. ItisthusthatalltheSaints
act and the Mother of God especially. She is ever attentive to recognise that her virtues, her
perfections, her merits, and her happiness proceed from the mercy of her Divine Son, Who is alone
their source, their origin, and perfection : Soli Deo honor et gloria. All honour and ^lory to God alone ; all should return to Him, because from
Him alone is every perfect gift.

Queen

THE Holy Church justly honors the great Virgin Mary, and would have her honored by all men with the glorious title of queen, because she has been elevated to the dignity of mother of the King of kings. If the Son is king, says St. Athan- asius, his mother must necessarily be considered and entitled queen. From the moment that Mary consented, adds St. Bernardine of Sienna, to become the mother of the Eternal Word, she merited the title of queen of the world and all creatures. f If the flesh of Mary, says St. Arnold, abbot, was the flesh of Jesus, how can the moth er be separated from the Son in his kingdom?

The eternal Father constituted Jesus Christ king of justice, and therefore made him the universal judge of the world; hence the prophet sang: & “Give to the king thy judgment, Oh God; and to the king s son thy justice.” Here a learned interpreter takes up the subject, and says: Oh Lord, thou hast given to thy Son thy justice, because thou hast given to the mother of the king thy mercy And St. Bonaventure happily varies the passage above quoted by saying: Givetothekingthyjudgment,OhGod, and to his mother thy mercy. || Ernest, Arch bishop of Prague, also says, that the eternal Father has given to the Son the office of judging and punishing, and to the mother the office of
* Regnum Dei consistit in potestate et misericordia; potestateDeo remanente, cessit quodammodo misericordise pars matri regnanti. Psal. iii. Tr. 4th, S. Magn.
t Quando filium Dei in utero concepit, et post modum peperit, dimidiam pattern regni Dei impetravit, ut ipsa sit regina misericordiae, nt Christus est rex justitiae.
Deus judicium tuum regi da; et justitiam tuam filio regis. Peal. fexi. 2.5 QuiamisericordiamtuamdedistiMatriRegi.
Deus judicium tuum regi da, et misericordiam tuam matri
Ijus.

GLORIES OF MARY. 29
compassionating and relieving the wretched.* Therefore the Prophet David predicted that God himself, if I may thus express it, would consecrate Mary queen of mercy, anointing her with the oil of gladness,! in order that all of us
miserable children of Adam might rejoice in the thought of having in heaven that great queen, so full of the unction of mercy and pity for us; as St. Bonaventure says: Oh Mary, so full of the unction of mercy and the oil of pity, that God has anointed thee with the oil of gladness !

 

[theefaith]

The upshot of it all is that indulgences are still available if certain rites, days, jubilees, prayers, pilgrimages etc etc are observed. Salvation is still for sale.

nothing more than accusations and slanders
Catch phrases like salvation by the shilling
Indulgences have NOTHING to do with salvation

 

[theefaith]

Can’t you see the truth of this great rebellion?
Nothing but an attack on God, Christ and His holy church! That’s the so call reformation

Jn 10: The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

 

[Taken]

Doctrine of St. Francis of Sales upon Devotion to Mary.

Never heard of him.

"but your not authorized to make your own doctrine"

Okay- dismissed your long;

Doctrine of St. Francis of Sales

 

[BreadOfLife]

Correct. But neither did he exalt her beyond what was fitting. See, we, too, are blessed along with Mary when the Word of God comes into us and we bear the Christ child in us according to the fruit of the Spirit.

19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you Galatians 4:19​

All believers are in the pains of birthing the Son of God. We're all blessed with Mary in our obedience to bear the Christ child.

Yet NONE of us is "Kecharitomene".
Mary is the ONLY one in ALL of Scripture who is given this title (Luke 1:28).

Kecharitomene is defined as: "Completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace".
It indicates a completed action with a PERMANENT result.”

So, "all believers" are NOT Kecharitomene.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Pedophilia.

What does this have to do with debunking Alexander Hislop's manure?
Absolutely nothing. It's just anothr pathetic anti-Catholic dodge.

Besides - virtuall all Protestant denomoinationsare plagued with pedophiles as well.
Does that mean that YOUR sect doesn't teach the truth?

As you can see, this isn't a "Catholic" problem - but a SOCIETAL one . . .
Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson
Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR
Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’
Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics
There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus never created the idea that Mary is "important".
Even on the Cross he didn't refer to her as "mother, he referred to her as "woman".

Jesus knew of the Pagan "goddess Diana" who is known and revered by pagans as "the queen of Heaven", long before "the cult of the virgin" gave Mary her false title.

And just to show the readers here how unimportant is Mary, you can read a few NT verses that say...

Matthew 12:47-50

"Someone told Jesus , "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."

"Jesus replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?"
"Pointing to his >disciples<, He said, = "HERE are my MOTHER and my brothers."
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is = my brother and sister and mother".

Another ignorant rant.
Time to take YOU out to the Scriptural woodshed . . .

In John's Gospel, Jesus refers to His Mother as "Woman" (John 2:4, 19:26).
This correlates directly to the "Woman" in Gen. 3:15 and in Rev. 12.

Jesus defeats death on Calvary (Skull place) and fulfills the prophecy in Gen. 3:15 about the offspring of the WOMAN. Mary is present at the foot of the cross while this is happening - and what does Jesus call her in John 19:26? He calls her “WOMAN”, because the prophecy about the head of the serpent being crushed by HER offspring in Genesis is taking place right there on Calvary.
"Woman" is a title of honor and respect.

As to your moronic comment above in RED - this is utter nonsense. In Luke 1:28, the Angel calls mary, "Kecharitomene".
This is a perfect participle that translates as:
"Completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace". It indicates a completed action with a PERMANENT result.

NOBODY else in ALL of Scripture is given tis title.
And YOU foolishly believe Jesus regarded His mother as "unimportant" . . .

 

[theefaith]

Never heard of him.



Okay- dismissed your long;

He was a doctor of the church
Lead the great counter reform converted thousands back to the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles

 

[Taken]

Luke 1:28 the Angel calls mary, "Kecharitomene".
This is a perfect participle that translates as:
"Completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace". It indicates a completed action with a PERMANENT result.

NOBODY else in ALL of Scripture is given tis title.

Luke 1:
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Appears, the translators forgot to list, completely, perfectly, enduringly, endowed with grace.

Appears, the translators forgot to even once use this supposed TITLE in any mention of Mary.

Very odd.

David had a TITLE of king.
King David is specifically mentioned 36 times in Scripture.

Jesus had a TITLE of Christ.
Christ Jesus is specifically mentioned 58 times in Scripture.

Mary supposedly has the TITLE Kecharitomene and is mentioned
Kecharitomene Mary, 0 times in Scripture.

What is your "source" that determined a TITLE for Mary, not found in Scripture?