A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

[justbyfaith]

but Jesus was a man and He was the Most High.

correct.

 

[101G]

Actually it is per the scriptures both. Jesus/Emmanuel was born into a Jewish family and from a Jewish family lineage, the latter necessary to meet the prophecy criteria for Messiah. Luke 3:23-38.
Mary his mother was of the line of King David.
In her time, Mary's, Judaism was marked through the Matrilineal line. (through the mother)

yes, into a family, because the genealogy in Matthews and Luke are LEGAL genealogies, and NOT biological genealogies of the Lord Jesus.

on Joseph side, it is a LEGAL genealogy to the throne, so it's a linage of the Coming KING.

on Mary's side, it is a LEGAL genealogy to the PRIESTHOOD, so it's a linage of the coming HIGH PRIEST.

so these legal genealogies shows the HOUSE through which the Lord Jesus "legally" came through.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[justbyfaith]

on Mary's side, it is a LEGAL genealogy to the PRIESTHOOD, so it's a linage of the coming HIGH PRIEST.

Actually, Jesus' right to the priesthood was not based on any connection to Levi (see Hebrews 7) in his personal lineage.

He came as high priest according to the order of Melchizedec; an entirely different priesthood than Levi.

Notice what it says in Hebrews 7:14.

 

[jaybird]

First thanks for the reply, and no worries, take your time. we have until the Lord return's ..... according to some... (smile).

thanks for a GOOD reply, let us ease your concerns.
A. "He comes not in His name but the Fathers name" which is JESUS, as the Name we Baptize in, one in the same Name, so any separation and distinction goses out the door, which I agree with you on.

B. "He does not His will but the Fathers will." lets clear up this matter, follow me. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
God's own ARM? is he, God himself... OWN. now watch how the bible clear this up, on "Doing his OWN will". Arm here is God's Power... in flesh. remember in Philippians 2:7, God's OWN ARM was G2758 κενόω kenoo. now watch how the bible talk to you, and answer your question,
The arm of flesh vs The Arm of the LORD, “authority”

when Sennacherib, the king of Assyria invaded Judah, Hezekiah had a talk with the LORD, listen.
2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: verse 8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah".

there is our answer, "an arm of flesh". here, an "ARM of FLESH is Sennacherib, the king of Assyria, ARMY.. his POWER, an "Arm of Flesh" his POWER, well the Lord Jesus, IN FLESH is God's ARM of FLESH, an ARMY of ONE, supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." woop's there it is. understand an army do not do it's own will, it's under authority. meaning, it, an army just don't on it's own jump up and start fighting another country on it's own. no, it, the ARMY, is under authorty, so it do not do it's own WILL, but is under authority to do the "WILL" of the one in charge of it. that's why Jesus said, "NOT MY WILL", for true, no army, an "ARM" of flesh do it's own will, the army/arm of Flesh is under orders/authority, to do the will of the one in charge of ti, the army. just as the Lord Jesus is under authority, NOT TO DO HIS WILL, BUT THE ONE WHO SENT HIM.

now lets make it crystal clear... the Lord Jesus is God's, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit own "ARM" according to Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

now tell me g money, do your own ARM on your body just slap someone else up side their head without your authority? no, of course not. you must first give authority to you "OWN" ARM to ACT... correct. now REVELATION time, this is why the Lord Jesus recieved the POWER, the Holy Spirit at his Baptism so that he could "ACT",. or carry out the Spriit/Father Will. remember, 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, according to Phil 2:7, he could do NOTHING on his own, hence the reason of the Baptism, to EMPOWER.

see how easy the bible reveal hard questions, the bible just make them simple, and easy to understand.

and notice, with the Spirit, he had it without measure...... (smile).... . scripture, John 3:34 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him." BINGO.

so we know that the "ARM" of God is his POWER, this is the fulfilment of Psalms 110:1 and verse 5 to come.

see how easy it is how the bible answer all questions concering the Godhead.


as I said before to mjrhealth, just post me ONE, only ONE scripture, which say this is the Father's voice from heaven, don't assume anything, but say what the bible say with God'd Holy Wisdom and UNDERSTANDING, and you want go wrong.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

No, with respect I have to disagree. I dont believe its one and the same name. If it was He could have simply said “our” name.

Jesus has a name:

Matthew 24:5
For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

If one and the same He would have said name of the Father or Most High.

And I think there is a separation between the two, one is the Father, one is the Son. In the letters of the NT in most all the greetings the praise goes to G-D the Father and then to His Son Jesus.

Jesus clearly IMO has a will of His own, the “remove this cup from My hand passage” im sure you know the one.

Im not sure if Jesus is just an attachment of the Fathers body, I think He is more than that, I have two arms, they dont speak for themselves, their part of my body, without them my body is icomplete. Would the Father be incomplete without Jesus?

Their may be no passage that Ids the voice from heaven, but the voice says Jesus is His Son. Jesus is the Son of the Father and the Father is identified as the Most High. If its not the Father then who is it?

 

[101G]

Actually, Jesus' right to the priesthood was not based on any connection to Levi (see Hebrews 7) in his personal lineage.

He came as high priest according to the order of Melchizedec; an entirely different priesthood than Levi.

Notice what it says in Hebrews 7:14.

yes, this is what I'm saying, a change in... "Priesthood". scripture, Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." but out of JUDA came the HIGH PRIEST, nothing because it's a change from the OLD. remember this is a Legal genealogy. and here a leagal RIGHT FOR A PRIESTHOOD.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[jaybird]

First thanks for the reply, but ERROR, and here's why. the Lord Jesus was alone.... Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
ALONE? and by himself? meaning he didn't go through anyone. and two, by being "ALONE", then that mean there is no second person, nor a third. and on top of this, and notice it was the LORD who made all things. is not the "LORD" all cap is the Father..... Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting." so if the Lord Jesus and the one whom you calls the Father, and the one who is the Lord is a separate person then you will be contradicting God' Holy Word, the bible. see, if you think that the the Word in John 1:3 who made all things, the Lord, is a separate, and distinct person, from the person in Isaiah 44:24, then you're in conflict, or at odds with the bible.

or...... you can agree with the Bible, that the LORD in ISAIAH 44:24 is the same person in John 1:3 and that will destroy your think or belife of a Father and Son in a biological sense, but in "TITLE" only.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I still think the Father is the creator. He is the ultimate source of the creation. The creation was done through a perfect image, Jesus, and through Jesus it was created. IMO and I could be wrong, I think the Father can create alone as a stand alone being, can Jesus, im not sure, Jesus Himself says He alone can do nothing but its the Father acting through Him. Elijah called down the fire, was that Elijah alone, no it was the power of the Father.


And its much more complicated than that, and its dificult to explain, and I dont understand all of it myself, its difficult for me to define these things, the Father creates like this and that, I dont like “defining the Most High, I think its a bit arrogent, these things are not explained in great detail you have to think deep, pray, meditate to get the answers, but these answers are for the one that receives, they are not for me to tell others, “this is how it is”, hope that makes sense.

 

[jaybird]

correct.

then if your a man you must be the Most High.

 

[101G]

Im not sure if Jesus is just an attachment of the Fathers body, I think He is more than that, I have two arms, they dont speak for themselves, their part of my body, without them my body is icomplete. Would the Father be incomplete without Jesus?

Their may be no passage that Ids the voice from heaven, but the voice says Jesus is His Son. Jesus is the Son of the Father and the Father is identified as the Most High. If its not the Father then who is it?

first not an attachment biologically, but used as an anthropomorphism, understand NOW?

and as speaking for themselves. listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

alright who is God OWN ARM? answer, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

now who is these verses speaking of? I'll be looking for your answer.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

I still think the Father is the creator.

ok, so who made all thing? the creator, the Father correct........ see Isaiah 44:24 and Isaiah 42:5

now read John 1:3 and tell us is this the same one person who made all things? yes or no.

your answer please.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[jaybird]

first not an attachment biologically, but used as an anthropomorphism, understand NOW?

and as speaking for themselves. listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

alright who is God OWN ARM? answer, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

now who is these verses speaking of? I'll be looking for your answer.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

its a good argument, but these are symbolic / metaphoric / parable type passages. maybe your right, but passages like thse IMO are not the best to use as a foundation for a doctrine as the next guy will come along and claim he thinks it means something different or the passage may have multiple meanings.

 

[101G]

its a good argument, but these are symbolic / metaphoric / parable type passages. maybe your right, but passages like thse IMO are not the best to use as a foundation for a doctrine as the next guy will come along and claim he thinks it means something different or the passage may have multiple meanings.

nope the bible said that the Lord Jesus is God's own ARM, that's clear. no argument there. so do you agree with the bible that the ARM of GOD is his OWN ARM, who is the Son, yes or No?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[jaybird]

ok, so who made all thing? the creator, the Father correct........ see Isaiah 44:24 and Isaiah 42:5

now read John 1:3 and tell us is this the same one person who made all things? yes or no.

your answer please.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

i still think the Father is the creator.
the passage says "through" Him and "by" Him.
if Jesus was the creator, and Jesus created all things alone, why can it not simply say Jesus created alone.

 

[justbyfaith]

yes, this is what I'm saying, a change in... "Priesthood". scripture, Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." but out of JUDA came the HIGH PRIEST, nothing because it's a change from the OLD. remember this is a Legal genealogy. and here a leagal RIGHT FOR A PRIESTHOOD.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jesus had no legal right to the Levitical priesthood because He was not descended from Levi.

 

[justbyfaith]

but Jesus was a man and He was the Most High.

correct.

then if your a man you must be the Most High.

That doesn't necessarily follow.

I can say, "my dog is red"

That does not translate into "all dogs are red".

 

[jaybird]

nope the bible said that the Lord Jesus is God's own ARM, that's clear. no argument there. so do you agree with the bible that the ARM of GOD is his OWN ARM, who is the Son, yes or No?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

i know what it says and i didnt say the passage was wrong, but it does not explain what an arm is. this is what i was telling yu before. for that you have to insert an opinion. maybe your opinion is correct, but when we start making our opinions scripture it leads to great confusion and problems.

 

[101G]

i still think the Father is the creator.
the passage says "through" Him and "by" Him.
if Jesus was the creator, and Jesus created all things alone, why can it not simply say Jesus created alone.

ERROR, the passage say, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

now listen carefully, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"

se G money, he, he, he, and the he, here is the LORD, all caps who is the Father... and it is the same Father/LORD, all caps who made all things, listen, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

see g money, you cannot get around it at all. he who created is the same one who MADE ALL THINGS, and that the same one person in John 1:3 see G money, the bible don't lie. so either you have to agree with the bible, NOT 101G, but agree with the bible, or God Word, the bible say you are in ERROR, better know as a lie.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm going to change the subject slightly.

It should be clear that there is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); and that this Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). However, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)). And, Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6).

So, there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5), the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).

In light of this scripture, do you confess that Jesus is the Lord?

If you don't, then you don't have the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

@jaybird,

No response?

Are you certain that you are not running away from the discussion?

 

[101G]

Jesus had no legal right to the Levitical priesthood because He was not descended from Levi.

did I not just said that? are you listing?. but he do have a legal right to the ppristhood that was to come do you agree?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

i know what it says and i didnt say the passage was wrong, but it does not explain what an arm is.

I believe I said it, but lets be clear, scripture, Matthew 26:64 "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

the right hahd is "POWER",

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[jaybird]

That doesn't necessarily follow.

I can say, "my dog is red"

That does not translate into "all dogs are red".

now you know thats not what i said.

what you cant do is say your animal is 100% dog and 100% cat. because if that were true the animal would be neither because all other cats and dogs are different, they are either 100 cat or 100 dog.
if Jesus is 100% man and 100% Most High then all other men have to be 100% Most High as well. if they are not, then Jesus is not a man like the rest of us. He is different. different means He would not be a man.