Who founded your church?

[theefaith]

they did NOT baptize in the name of Jesus?
Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

so whats the deal with this passage?

acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

the command to repent and be baptized is in the name of Jesus
The baptism is in the name of the father the son and the Holy Spirit

and applies to your children infants

 

[theefaith]

and more examples of how the Apostles, the ones trained by Jesus Himself, practiced baptism.

Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

hard to believe there are people that reject these passages.

The name refers to the religion of Jesus

even the Protestant got questions says the form should be matt 28:19 for making disciples thru baptism

 

[BreadOfLife]

and more examples of how the Apostles, the ones trained by Jesus Himself, practiced baptism.

Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
hard to believe there are people that reject these passages.

Yup - more examples of YOUR complete failure to grasp the linguistic evidence I presented in post #1169 & #1278.
Now, you're just embarassing yourself . . .

 

[jaybird]

Nope - doesn't "change" anything.

It means the SAME thing it has always meant:
Baptizing "in the name of" Jesus Christ is Baptizing by the Authority of Jesus Christ as outlined in the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19-20).

The fact that YOU don't understand doesn't "change" it at all . . .

but you said we do not baptize in the name of Jesus? which is it?

 

[jaybird]

acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

the command to repent and be baptized is in the name of Jesus
The baptism is in the name of the father the son and the Holy Spirit

and applies to your children infants

The baptism is in the name of the father the son and the Holy Spirit

scripture says name of Jesus

 

[jaybird]

The name refers to the religion of Jesus

even the Protestant got questions says the form should be matt 28:19 for making disciples thru baptism

the religion of Jesus, ummm ok?
passage still says name of Jesus, you need to get a big black marker and start buying up bibles so you can black out those passages

 

[Truther]

So, you didn't actually READ post #1169 - did you?
I suggest you read it thoroughly and S*L*O*W*L*Y so you understand.

I'm embarrassed for you . . .

Jesus,..... "go ye...baptizing them in the name...of the son.."

RCC,...."I baptize you in the name of the son".

Candidate..."What is that name?".

RCC...."I dunno....son?".

Candidate....."C'mon, man!"

LOL

 

[Truther]

Jesus but the one true church does not baptize nor has ever baptized in the name of Jesus

Not even per Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10 or Acts 19?

Which "one true church" other than that one in Acts are you referring to?

 

[jaybird]

Yup - more examples of YOUR complete failure to grasp the linguistic evidence I presented in post #1169 & #1278.
Now, you're just embarassing yourself . . .

bible says name of Jesus, i support this, why would i be embarrassed? i would only be embarrassed if i made some wild crazy claim such as we did NOT baptize in this way, but who would make such a statement that contradicted the bible . . . . lol

 

[Truther]

didache early teaching of the apostles with the authority of Christ

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptizeinto the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptismlet the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.

Egad!

Another Christian that does not know what the name of the son is.

I AM in the twilight zone.

Help!

 

[jaybird]

Not even per Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10 or Acts 19?

Which "one true church" other than that one in Acts are you referring to?

no they say all those passages are incorrect, i guess they know better than the ones trained by Jesus.

 

[Truther]

no they say all those passages are incorrect, i guess they know better than the ones trained by Jesus.

Who is "they"?

 

[jaybird]

Who is "they"?

there are a few on this thread that disagree with the way the apostles baptized.

 

[Renniks]

more power to ya
But unofficial
A good example would be nice too

No, you don't. Either I have the authority or I don't. You can't have it both ways.

Even though Jesus says to Peter, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven,” that very same thing Jesus says to Christians in general, with the very same words, two chapters later in Matthew 18:18: “Truly, I say to you [plural — not you, Peter, but you, plural, who are gathered in my name], whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The bedrock on which the church is built is the bedrock of Jesus’s teachings, with the rock-solid core of his identity — “you are the Messiah; you are the Son of God” — at the center of those teachings.

So, it’s these teachings of Jesus that are the keys of the kingdom.


When any faithful Christian who speaks the words with the bedrock of Jesus’s identity at the center — when you speak those words faithfully, you are using the keys of the kingdom to open the kingdom in people’s lives.

It's not about any individual having the keys, but all the faithful.

 

[Renniks]

have you been baptized?

That's not the point. I have not been baptized in the only church you say is the true one.
Let's say I was baptized by a church that doesn't believe in baptism regeneration. How can that be valid to a Catholic, especially since I don't intend to join a the CC?

 

[jaybird]

This is what Eusebius wrote on Mt 28 19

With one word and voice He said to His disciples: “Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you,” — (Proof of the Gospel by Eusebius, Book III, ch 6, 132 (a), p. 152)

this guy lived in the 200s, he quoted the end of Mt without the trinity formula, his version is to be baptized in the name of Jesus, just the same as the book of Luke, just the same as the apostles.

The Hebrew Shem Tov's book of Mathew also supports baptism in the name of Jesus.

With this new evidence everything syncs up perfect. Its only when the trinity formula is present in the baptism formula that everything gets flipped on its head and you have a big controversy.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Thanks Lady,

Goodness....You have gotten way off topic....Mathias, Paul, casting lots, road to Damasucus.....I thought we were talking about leadership of The Church after Christ was crucified????

Soooooo....getting back on topic......it seems you are unable to give a biblical pedigree for James that is more authoritative than Peters....dually noted!!!

Also, YOU said James was the leader of The Church which means that, according to the men who taught you, James (not Peter) was the leader of the Apostles after Jesus was crucified sooooooo it sounds to me like YOU are "basing your authority" on James, not Christ. After all, if James was the leader of The Church, wouldn't he have authority over Peter?????

Curious Mary

PS....Who taught you that James was the leader of The Church after Jesus died??

Acts 15 shows who makes changes to the laws for the Gentiles - James. Peter was like a lawyer. James was the judge.

 

[CharismaticLady]

but the new covenant is a kingdom and the king went to heaven???
Problem? Who’s gonna administer the kingdom?
Matt 28:19
Peter and the apostles are appointed with Christ’s authority to teach, to govern and to sanctify by the sacraments in the holy church!

The Kingdom is within us. Jesus is the King but He is within us. It is called abiding in Him, and He in us.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

You have been baptized in water, but have you been baptized by fire? Has your old carnal sinful nature been burned out of you, and you no longer sin? If so, why do you have confessionals? Why doesn't the RCC teach this most important part of the gospel? That Jesus came to take away your sin, and in Him is no sin. 1 John 3:5 and 9?

 

[BreadOfLife]

scripture says name of Jesus

The Scriptures say A LOT of things YOU don't understand.
Why should this be any different?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Acts 15 shows who makes changes to the laws for the Gentiles - James. Peter was like a lawyer. James was the judge.

No - James simply agreed with Peter.

Three guys are sitting around trying to decide what to eat. The 1st guy says, "We should get pizza."
The 2nd guy says, "Yup - pizza would really hit the spot."

WHO made the judgment?