If You Believe Your Denomination Is...

[mjrhealth]

"History is a pack of lies agreed upon"-- Napoleon Bonaparte

Its true

Rev_17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

1Co_6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

 

[BarneyFife]

Then you know your denomination ultimately branched off the Catholic Church which traces back to Jesus. Therefore, why would the Catholic Church not be closer to teaching the truth?

Then I guess your mind-reading skills could use some work.

 

[BarneyFife]

What excuses?

 

[BarneyFife]

Refer back to post #230 for why the Catholic Church traces back to Jesus.

...Which would matter to me if I believed such a thing.
Why can't Catholicism defenders understand that there is a very large group of people out there who just aren't buying it?

 

[mjrhealth]

Refer back to post #230 for why the Catholic Church traces back to Jesus. Therefore, why would it not be closer to teaching the truth?

Oh many more hysterical claims, how much will God tolerate the lies.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

I guess He wont..

 

[BarneyFife]

Refer back to post #230 for why the Catholic Church traces back to Jesus.

You seem to assume that if I have read post #230, then I have seen the light and now automatically believe it. Interesting. The 1st paragraph contains a fair amount of presupposition. See if you can spot it.

 

[amadeus]

"History is a pack of lies agreed upon"-- Napoleon Bonaparte

Aye, history is "his story" and who is/was the one that compiled it and wrote it...? Some man! It can be difficult to believe and trust a man that we do know. How can we ever come to know and believe some man, a historian, when both the historian and the man in "his story" lived as men even even our natural mother was born?

We step out in faith in the only One who is without doubt definitely always good. And the Good One will guide us through the dark places in which every one of us have dwelt if only we will follow toward and into the Light!

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: ..." I Cor 13:11

As a child I was a devoutly sincere Catholic, but I was a child and no one taught me how to be anything else even though my body and carnal mind were growing. Yes, growing, but toward what?

"...but when I became a man, I put away childish things." I Cor 13:11

The "man of God" is the one who put away the childish things of both the carnal child and the carnal man, but who of us were really men of God when we were physical teenagers trying to become like the carnal adults we respected or worshipped or envied [movies stars, sports heroes, siblings, parents]?

Yes, I was a sincerely devout Catholic when I went through the sacrament of Confirmation, but no Holy Spirit to lead me to Him that I could see or understand. I did not know how, but I did want to love God so when advised to choose a name I went carefully through the book they had for that purpose and chose, "Amadeus".

"Amadeus", Latin for 'love God' or 'God's love'.

A good selection with promise... but where was the Promise?

The years flew by as the best of Catholicism perhaps, the better nuns and the better priests, was not there for me.

At age 32 the Promise drew me in and I really did receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost and I really did start moving toward the Promise of God's Love. What is the Holy Ghost? What does it means to be baptized in the Holy Ghost?

We really don't want to sink in the water of human ways where Peter found himself when he took his eyes off of Jesus. [He understood where there was help as he called out: "Lord save me"!]

Rather than into those humans ways... should we not desire to be immersed in the Living Water, about which Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Filled indeed to overflowing, so that we may share with others what He has given us:

"...Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee:..." Acts 3:6

And what is it? Manna!

 

[amadeus]

Then you know your denomination ultimately branched off the Catholic Church which traces back to Jesus. Therefore, why would the Catholic Church not be closer to teaching the truth?

And did not Judaism trace back to Moses meeting the Lord God on the mountain? Should we all not then return to that law given to Moses so as to be closer to teaching the truth?

 

[Philip James]

And who is Ignatius of Antioch that I should hear him?

That you dont know who Ignatius is, demonstrates just how far removed you are from St. John's communuty. For Ignatius learned these things directly from John.
Ignatius was made be bishop of the Church in Antioch by apostles.

For both of these reasons you should consider what he says...

Peace be with you!

 

[BarneyFife]

Aye, history is "his story" and who is/was the one that compiled it and wrote it...? Some man! It can be difficult to believe and trust a man that we do know. How can we ever come to know and believe some man, a historian, when even both the historian and the man in "his story" before even our natural mother was born?

We step out in faith in the only One who is without doubt definitely always good. And the Good One will guide us through the dark places in which every one of us have dwelt if only we will follow toward and into the Light!

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: ..." I Cor 13:11

As a child I was a devoutly sincere Catholic, but I was a child and no one taught me how to be anything else even though my body and carnal mind were growing. Yes, growing, but toward what?

"...but when I became a man, I put away childish things." I Cor 13:11

The "man of God" is the one who put away the childish things of both the carnal child and the carnal man, but who of us were really men of God when we were physical teenagers trying to become like the carnal adults we respected or worshipped or envied [movies stars, sports heroes, siblings, parents]?

Yes, I was a sincerely devout Catholic when I went through the sacrament of Confirmation, but no Holy Spirit to lead me to Him that I could see or understand. I did not know how, but I did want to love God so when advised to choose a name I went carefully through the book they had for that purpose and chose, "Amadeus".

"Amadeus", Latin for 'love God' or 'God's love'.

A good selection with promise... but where was the Promise?

The years flew by as the best of Catholicism perhaps, the better nuns and the better priests, was not there for me.

At age 32 the Promise drew me in and I really did receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost and I really did start moving toward the Promise of God's Love. What is the Holy Ghost? What does it means to be baptized in the Holy Ghost?

We really don't want to sink in the water of human ways where Peter found himself when he took his eyes off of Jesus. [He understood where there was help as he called out: "Lord save me"!]

Rather than into those humans ways... should we not desire to be immersed in the Living Water, about which Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Filled indeed to overflowing, so that we may share with others what He has given us:

"...Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee:..." Acts 3:6

And what is it? Manna!

Man, you really cover some ground in your posts. I love it! :)

 

[BarneyFife]

That you dont know who Ignatius is, demonstrates just how far removed you are from St. John's communuty. For Ignatius learned these things directly from John.
Ignatius was made be bishop of the Church in Antioch by apostles.

For both of these reasons you should consider what he says...

Peace be with you!

St. John's community now, is it? How utterly confusing. The beloved disciple and apostle John learned directly from Christ, Who is the Head of the church-- not a vicarious entity.

 

[BarneyFife]

The papacy of the Catholic Church goes back to St. Peter. That is a historical fact.

Exactly what part of "I don't believe that version of history" am I not getting across?

 

[amadeus]

The papacy of the Catholic Church goes back to St. Peter. That is a historical fact. Therefore, why would that not mean the Catholic Church is closer to teaching the truth?

If You Believe Your Denomination Is...

 

[mjrhealth]

The papacy of the Catholic Church goes back to St. Peter. That is a historical fact. Therefore, why would that not mean the Catholic Church is closer to teaching the truth?

No it is not and if you really bother to dig, which you wont, you would see in never was, but as the bible says, men would rather believe lies than the truth, I thought thisi was a "Christian"forum for those who believed in Christ, not a place to promote mens religions.

 

[Philip James]

St. John's community now, is it? How utterly confusing.

In what way do you find that confusing?

Here's John:

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour.

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.


If one is not partaking of the One Loaf and the One Cup that Jesus gave to John and the apostles, where are they?

All are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Gloria in excelcis Deo!

 

[Brakelite]

Refer back to post #230 for why the Catholic Church is the Church established by Jesus, and thus not a "denomination" of Christianity, as in "a branch of any religion." It is a historical fact other denominations branched off from the Church.

The Christian Life isn't about denominations. Denominations cannot save anyone. Jesus saves. Take a look at this. This is God's real church....
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[mjrhealth]

It is. Refer back to post #230.

It does not, made up history does not account for fact, get over your delusion. and religion is filled with lies.

 

[BarneyFife]

In what way do you find that confusing?

Here's John:

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour.

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.


If one is not partaking of the One Loaf and the One Cup that Jesus gave to John and the apostles, where are they?

All are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Gloria in excelcis Deo!

John just came from out of nowhere. No one was talking about John. Why is it not St. Paul's community or St. James's? And what do antichrist, apostasy, last days, and communion have to do with "St. John's community?" Please try to answer along one train of thought.

 

[Philip James]

. Why is it not St. Paul's community or St. James's?

Well of course it is! That's the whole point, the Church is the same Catholic Church planted in particular locations by the apostles and/or their successors.

Paul > Titus> the Church in Crete being just one example...
Ignatius was made bishop of Antioch (Syria) just as Titus was made bishop of Crete..

And what do antichrist, apostasy, last days, and communion have to do with "St. John's community?"

St. John makes it clear that those who abandon the community and draw others after them are not to be listened to...

Peace be with you!

 

[Addy]

You seem to assume that if I have read post #230, then I have seen the light and now automatically believe it. Interesting. The 1st paragraph contains a fair amount of presupposition. See if you can spot it.

We need MORE cookies Barny.... LOL