Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

[Prayer Warrior]

I just explained to you the difference between the noun and descriptive adjective .. grade 8 style .. do we have to move down to grade 5 ?

The zygote is human .. it is a human cell .. it is a human zygote .. this does not make it a living human - a child - a person.

I am not saying it is not here . . what I am asking is for you to support your claim .. rather than continue to ask silly questions .. in this case .. straw man fallacy .. accusing me of something I didn't claim.

1) Define human - show how the zygote fits that definition
2) Tell us when the soul enters the fleshy home .. or do you think a Person can exist without a soul.

It's best to let the other person reply before replying twice like you're doing. It's gets confusing. And there's no need to be condescending.

This is what you said earlier:

Note the descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" .. as opposed to the Noun "A Human"​

Here's my reply to what you said earlier:

As an English teacher, I'm well aware of the difference between as adjective and a noun, i.e. human as an adjective as opposed to a noun....

So...when do you start calling what is developing in a woman's womb "a human"? And what do you call it before you consider it to be "a human"?

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh wow .. so you figure the main rule on which the Teachings of Jesus are based is "Incoherent rambling" .. and from there the rest of your post while incoherent .. was disjointed rambling.

" murdering 8 million babies" - Those Satanists - "Communists" - methinks you have been deceived but first -

not a single point in your post addressed what was stated in my post - "forcing religious belief on others through physical violence" - I will just assume that you are ok with this when I refer to your position in the future .. unless corrected.

Communists ? - Who are communists .. how about we adjust your language a bit in hopes of making some sense our of what you are saying .. if someone is shouting "Commie" to you .. they are a deceiver - or a complete idiot. Libs may be what they may be .. but they are Not "Stalin"

So we adjust to "Socialism" of the quazi totalitarian form. Don't look for the next wave of totalitarianism to look like Stalin's Russia or Hitlers Germany .. cause it wont .. but will have similar features .. and you are clearly blind to some of these .. which I shall explain.

You are spouting a spoon fed perspective -narrative that you only understand superficially - and you are now spouting out this Political propaganda as if it has some relation to what Jesus would say .. and this is the question I ask myself .. in every instance like this one.

Socialism - at it core - is a form of wealth redistribution. It is not a black/white scale - the higher percent of ownership of resources/wealth and means of production .. the more extreme the version of socialism. Communism of course would be the most extreme .. where the state owns most everything ... but Communism also included an ideology and was a political system .. and so lets not conflate these two ... and be hyperbolic ..

"Especially when you are wanting to put words into the mouth of Jesus" - which is what you are doing - or coming close to doing - usurping the position of the Logos

So on the spectrum though Red vs Blue .. who is more extreme w/r to wealth redistribution ? I will leave it here and allow you to defend your claim - that Blue is way more extreme than red ... God vs Devil kind of extreme by comparison.

It is quite a bar you have set for yourself already .. so don't be too disappointed if you can't meet it .. but do at least show that Red is far better than blue in this respect.

just more of it. You are talented.

 

[BreadOfLife]

A little bit of History

I don't watch 26 minute videos.

If you can't articulate your point in a few paragraphs - you should reconsider spending time on a debate site.

 

[Josho]

Christian socialism? I believe the article I posted has it right--that socialism is a form of communism, which is based on atheism.

The early Christians (in Acts) shared things in common, but I would't call this socialism or communism because obviously, the early Christians were not atheists. So, the term "Christian socialism" is an oxymoron.

I think we need to call Christian charity something else. How about Christian charity??

Apparently Christian socialism was one of the founding roots of the British Labour Party.

"The teachings of Jesus are frequently described as socialist, especially by Christian socialists.[85] Acts 4:35 records that in the early church in Jerusalem "[n]o one claimed that any of their possessions was their own", although the pattern soon disappears from church history except within monasticism. Christian socialism was one of the founding threads of the British Labour Party and is claimed to begin with the uprising of Wat Tyler and John Ball in the 14th century CE."

Socialism - Wikipedia

 

[Grailhunter]

Right .. got that the first go around. Repetition of premise is not support for claim.

Support your claim that a single human cell is a living human/Person .. such that the death of this cell constitutes murder - if done intentionally.

When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother, what will I be
Will I be pretty, will I be rich
Here's what she said to me.
Que Sera, Sera,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Que Sera, Sera
What will be, will be.
When I was young, I fell in love
I asked my sweetheart what lies ahead
Will we have rainbows, day after day
Here's what my sweetheart said.
Que Sera, Sera,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Que Sera, Sera
What will be, will be.
Now I have…

 

[Heyzeus]

It's best to let the other person reply before replying twice like you're doing. It's gets confusing. And there's no need to be condescending.

Here's my reply to what you said earlier:

As an English teacher, I'm well aware of the difference between as adjective and a noun, i.e. human as an adjective as opposed to a noun....

So...when do you start calling what is developing in a woman's womb "a human"? And what do you call it before you consider it to be "a human"?

My bad for missing that - It is called different things at different stages .. sperm + egg prior to conception .. after conception you have a zygote .. a few days later you have a blastocyst .. inside of which the embryoblast starts to grow - aka "embryo" .. it is now an embryo ..
This then has to to on a treacherous journey the objective of which is to implant .. and some point down the road it is referred to as a Fetus.

I have already answered your second question --- When the Soul arrives - further clarifying by stating when I think it arrives - "I think therefor I am" - when the capacity for thought has been achieved .. which is around 20-24 weeks .. hence why this is the cut-off in some states .. 22 I think .. but in here somewhere.

 

[Grailhunter]

Christian socialism? I believe the article I posted has it right--that socialism is a form of communism, which is based on atheism.

The early Christians (in Acts) shared things in common, but I would't call this socialism or communism because obviously, the early Christians were not atheists. So, the term "Christian socialism" is an oxymoron.

I think we need to call Christian charity something else. How about Christian charity??

We really need to start that thread...

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Apparently Christian socialism was one of the founding roots of the British Labour Party.

"The teachings of Jesus are frequently described as socialist, especially by Christian socialists.[85] Acts 4:35 records that in the early church in Jerusalem "[n]o one claimed that any of their possessions was their own", although the pattern soon disappears from church history except within monasticism. Christian socialism was one of the founding threads of the British Labour Party and is claimed to begin with the uprising of Wat Tyler and John Ball in the 14th century CE."

Socialism - Wikipedia

Like I said, you can call it socialism if you want, but I think the article I posted has it right in its definition of socialism.

So, I disagree with the Wikipedia article that there is such as thing as "Christian socialism."

Maybe it's just semantics. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Grailhunter]

Like I said, you can call it socialism if you want, but I think the article I posted has it right in its definition of socialism.

So, I disagree with the Wikipedia article that there is such as thing as "Christian socialism."

Maybe it's just semantics. I'll leave it at that.

The boundaries of the official definitions of the various socialist and communist countries and their histories are best defined by the mass graves.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

My bad for missing that - It is called different things at different stages .. sperm + egg prior to conception .. after conception you have a zygote .. a few days later you have a blastocyst .. inside of which the embryoblast starts to grow - aka "embryo" .. it is now an embryo ..
This then has to to on a treacherous journey the objective of which is to implant .. and some point down the road it is referred to as a Fetus.

I have already answered your second question --- When the Soul arrives - further clarifying by stating when I think it arrives - "I think therefor I am" - when the capacity for thought has been achieved .. which is around 20-24 weeks .. hence why this is the cut-off in some states .. 22 I think .. but in here somewhere.

I took biology in high school and college, so no need for the science lesson. Thanks, though.

Surely, you know the quote you used is not found in the Bible. I seriously question its validity. IOW, it's not true!

So, you believe that the entity inside the mother is "a human" at 20-24 weeks? But it's not "a human" at 19 weeks?
.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The boundaries of the official definitions of the various socialist and communist countries and their histories are best defined by the mass graves.

So true!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

We really need to start that thread...

That's what I was thinking. :)

 

[Heyzeus]

When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother, what will I be
Will I be pretty, will I be rich
Here's what she said to me.
Que Sera, Sera,
…

"just more of it. You are talented"

It is your OP - and you are supposed to be defending your "Communism" and "Satan" claim - demonizing a huge number of people - many of whom are Christians and Jews.. as under some kind of demonic influence.

OK .. I can buy that .. but you respond twice with unintelligible gibberish ...

I know I am talented . . which is why I have you twirling around mumbling sweet nothings to yourself - and singing fairy tale songs -

This is just like the time (at band camp) :) .. ok so wasn't at band camp but true story.. Was conversing with a Hari Krishna .. the fellow was in full garb .. and with some others but got talking to him .. then started asking questions .. backing him into a logical corner.

Next thing I know .. the fellow is dancing around chanting "Hari Hari - Krishna Krishna - Rama Rama" - I was stunned .. one second a normal rational conversation .. press a button and wing ding ding.

I found out later that this was due to sophisticated mind control techniques being implanted in and used on this person - in studying cults.
This is what is known as a "Thought Stopping Technique" .. the adherent will try to avoid the bad thought .. one that challenges perspective in even the slightest way ..

So cool .. I have seen this before .. like a repeating pattern - like pressing B7 on the Jukebox .. same song - every time.

 

[Grailhunter]

"just more of it. You are talented"

It is your OP - and you are supposed to be defending your "Communism" and "Satan" claim - demonizing a huge number of people - many of whom are Christians and Jews.. as under some kind of demonic influence.

OK .. I can buy that .. but you respond twice with unintelligible gibberish ...

I know I am talented . . which is why I have you twirling around mumbling sweet nothings to yourself - and singing fairy tale songs -

This is just like the time (at band camp) :) .. ok so wasn't at band camp but true story.. Was conversing with a Hari Krishna .. the fellow was in full garb .. and with some others but got talking to him .. then started asking questions .. backing him into a logical corner.

Next thing I know .. the fellow is dancing around chanting "Hari Hari - Krishna Krishna - Rama Rama" - I was stunned .. one second a normal rational conversation .. press a button and wing ding ding.

I found out later that this was due to sophisticated mind control techniques being implanted in and used on this person - in studying cults.
This is what is known as a "Thought Stopping Technique" .. the adherent will try to avoid the bad thought .. one that challenges perspective in even the slightest way ..

So cool .. I have seen this before .. like a repeating pattern - like pressing B7 on the Jukebox .. same song - every time.

You are going to have to up your game if you want to look intelligent....

 

[Heyzeus]

I took biology in high school and college, so no need for the science lesson. Thanks, though.

Surely, you know the quote you used is not found in the Bible. I seriously question its validity. IOW, it's not true!

So, you believe that the entity inside the mother is "a human" at 20-24 weeks? But it's not "a human" at 19 weeks?
.

No idea what quote you are referring to .. so no idea what is not true .. I went further than HS biology .. specially back in the day .. Now of course they may talk about totipotency .. but back then - not in the early 80s when I graduated .. I did continue after that in Chemistry and Microbiology ... and been debating this topic for many years .. took a Philosophy course from a Jew who got Ph.D from Oxford .. smart x 2
Was also a friend - and a chessplayer - the University Club he would often come to... so took a few classes from this fellow.

One was Contemporary moral issues. He put 7 topics on the board and we voted for 3. so spent a month on each . one was Abortion
And the whole class time was debating this issue .. the prof would just moderate the discussion .. had hard core Nazi Feminists on one side and Fundamentalists on the other... would never miss or be late for that class .. was just amazing.

In any case .. I believe it is human when the soul is present .. do you believe otherwise ?

 

[John Caldwell]

Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?
Placed in the Christian Debate forum because it is mostly about belief in God and Christian values.

1. They support and fight for the right to murder over 600,000 innocent babies a year. That is 600,000 a year, around 8 million in ten years, that dwarfs the holocaust! Even Hitler did not target babies. This is one of their central core concerns and I truly believe that Satan applauds their efforts.

2. In no way do they include God in their campaign even taking the words “under God” out of the pledge of Allegiance. They even pause to make sure everyone understands they are intentionally omitting the words. This anti-God sentiment is so strong that most Democrats know that if they spoke of believing in God, or Christian morals, they would loose support of their colleagues and voters. This anti-God campaign is central to their beliefs.

3. The right to worship…in the Democrat states the right to assemble and worship has been made illegal, supposedly because of Covid. But they say they believe in the science of it, but the lockdown approach has been used and proven ineffective in this country and around the world. The science of it is that, if it was going to be effective, it would have already been effective.

4. While shutting down the churches the Democrats support the lawless, destructive, violent, and murderous protests by mobs….Which by the way, proves that the assembly of large crowds does not promote the spread of Covid. They know this, so the shutting down of the churches is just because they do not like Christians. Do they hate God or do they just not believe there is a God?

5. The Democrats have taken Christian groups to court to try to force them to comply with the rules of “Obamacare” and abortion. Women’s groups who council women are forbidden by law to speak against abortion.

6. The Democrats have made it clear that they denounce the founding of this country, its history, and those leaders that were part of it. They have admitted this and support the mobs that destroy the monuments to our past, even calling for the removal of more monuments. This is all part of the 1619 project which they intend to teach to our children. “Our country is bad and communism and atheism is good!" Which is why they are against school choice that would give children of all races an opportunity for a better education.

7. Education….it takes little effort to find out that they support teaching our children communism, atheism, homosexuality, support for abortion, and drug use in our schools. Teachers and principals are threatened with dismissal if they tell the parents what they are teaching their children…Every parent needs to look into this. I and others have done the research and I have personally done the interviews. Make it your business to know what they are teaching your children. If your kids are not doing the pledge of allegiance to the flag in school, that is your first clue.

8. Drugs….Democrats support, even believe it is a right to take drugs. Their efforts to legalize drugs is something they do not even try to hide. Marijuana stores! Who would have ever thought that? Had a guy delivering furniture to my house and I was talking to him and noticed the cab of his truck reeked of Marijuana. So I said, Like the weed do ya? He replied that he had a medical prescription. I laughed and replied, And the prescription says that you should specifically smoke while you are driving?

9. Except for the murderous protests the Democrats stand against the 1st amendment to the Constitution. They want and work at silencing those that are of other options or others that stand against their evil acts and intentions, specifically Christians.

10. Legal….Their only interest in laws are the laws that support abortion and homosexual marriages, drug use and the murderous riots. No one accuses the Democrats of being for law and order. If you want a prosecutor that hates law enforcement officers and is out to make a life of crime a safe occupation….vote in a Democrat prosecutor. If you are paying attention, law enforcement supports the Republicans.

11. From the CBS news website…. Democratic 2020 candidates struggle over whether to legalize sex work… “sex work!” lol Why not, they call murder abortion! Prostitution and sex trafficking. You would do well to look this up. All forms of sexual depravity… homosexuals, marriages of homosexuals, prostitution, and sex trafficking. Sex trafficking…not willing to admit that they support it…but if you notice they do not lead a campaign to stop it or prosecute offenders.
Democratic 2020 candidates struggle over whether to legalize sex work

12. Law enforcement…The Democrats support Defunding the police and as you can see not one Democrat has stood up to denounce this ludicrous idea. The Democrats are against law and order, responsibility, and accountability.

13. The Democrats do not believe that the United States is a sovereign nation and so believe that its borders should be open and that illegal aliens should have the same rights and access to public schools, medical care and welfare and unemployment services that the American citizens have. It is basically their motto “their fair share is in your pocket.” Their priorities and allegiance to crime is shown by the fact that they have established 165 sanctuary cities and counties...that is and counties. You might not know that...165 safe havens for illegal aliens that you are paying to support.

14. Sovereign county…The Democrats have never been known to support the military…but the Republicans have always celebrated the heroes of our military. Why don’t they support the military? Well if a communist country attacks and takes over this country, it just makes their job easier. Would they even put up a fight?

15. The Democrats openly acknowledge that they want to convert this country to socialism. But even that is a lie, they want some weird form of green anarchy communism which will stand against Christianity. A communist country that support Christianity?…. there is no such thing.

16. One of the first things a communist regime does is disarm the public…so the Democrats are against the 2nd amendment and want to disarm the public, leaving them defenseless against the criminals and murderous mobs. One of the talking points of Democrats is that if you are a Christian, white, and a working tax payer, you are a White Supremacist.

So is it a sin for Christians to vote for any Democrat? Is it a sin for Christians to support the Democrats in any way? You might think that the Democrats in your area are good, but all that matters is how a politician votes and if you look (and I have) the Democrats stand together in all of their evil intentions. So, where do you stand, with God or Satan?

I'd have to say yes. George Whitefield advocated slavery. Do did the Dutch Regormed. They were Christians but at the same time they were blinded by their own narratives. Does that mean their support for slavery was not sinful?

We can look at positive things the DNC supports But we cannot ignore the fact that tge DNC platform is also based on an affirmation of the sins in Romans 3.

We are not judged on where we do not stand but on where we do stand (regardless of political parties).

 

[Heyzeus]

You are going to have to up your game if you want to look intelligent....

What game - you have none .. you are not even playing .. took your ball home after my second post .. ran from the playground screaming "Communism" "Satanism" - prior to sticking head deep in the sandbox of denial ..

Did you like my Hari Krishna story ? :) perhaps we should discuss this more..

 

[Prayer Warrior]

No idea what quote you are referring to .. so no idea what is not true .. I went further than HS biology .. specially back in the day .. Now of course they may talk about totipotency .. but back then - not in the early 80s when I graduated .. I did continue after that in Chemistry and Microbiology ... and been debating this topic for many years .. took a Philosophy course from a Jew who got Ph.D from Oxford .. smart x 2
Was also a friend - and a chessplayer - the University Club he would often come to... so took a few classes from this fellow.

One was Contemporary moral issues. He put 7 topics on the board and we voted for 3. so spent a month on each . one was Abortion
And the whole class time was debating this issue .. the prof would just moderate the discussion .. had hard core Nazi Feminists on one side and Fundamentalists on the other... would never miss or be late for that class .. was just amazing.

In any case .. I believe it is human when the soul is present .. do you believe otherwise ?

Are you not aware that you quoted Descartes, who said, "I think, therefore I am"?

Your reasoning, or should I say how you interpreted Descartes, is flawed. Is a human only considered a person if they are functioning cognitively? What about people who have a brain injury and cannot function cognitively? Are they not still a person? If not, what do you call them?

When I was 8 weeks pregnant, I had a routine ultrasound. I was shocked to see that the "fetus" inside me had individual fingers! I burst into tears because I had believed the abortionist lie that it was just a blob of tissue. But it was very obviously a human BABY!

So, I think it's obvious that I believe the human zygote, fetus, etc. is indeed a person--a baby!
.

 

[Heyzeus]

Are you not aware that you quoted Descartes, who said, "I think, therefore I am"?

Your reasoning, or should I say how you interpreted Descartes, is flawed. Is a human only considered a person if they are functioning cognitively? What about people who have a brain injury and cannot function cognitively? Are they not still a person? If not, what do you call them?

When I was 8 weeks pregnant, I had a routine ultrasound. I was shocked to see that the "fetus" inside me had individual fingers! I burst into tears because I had believed the abortionist lie that it was just a blob of tissue. But it was very obviously a human BABY!

So, I think it's obvious that I believe the human zygote, fetus, etc. is indeed a person--a baby!
.

Really now - I never claimed that was from the Bible .. I was speaking of the soul.

So when do you think it alights ?

 

[Grailhunter]

I'd have to say yes. George Whitefield advocated slavery. Do did the Dutch Regormed. They were Christians but at the same time they were blinded by their own narratives. Does that mean their support for slavery was not sinful?

We can look at positive things the DNC supports But we cannot ignore the fact that tge DNC platform is also based on an affirmation of the sins in Romans 3.

We are not judged on where we do not stand but on where we do stand (regardless of political parties).

Hey there John
History is an interesting thing but judging time periods and cultures is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Taking someone from the era of the bible and dropping them into our town....they would probably consider us all witches. If we were dropped into the turn of the millennium we would probably find ourselves tied to pole as they lit the tinder beneath us.

Slavery was a good example...as everybody knows the Jews were slave at one time. Christ nor Paul denounced slavery for good reason....it was more than the norm. It was a social economics of the time period. Taking the stylish logic of today if we all traced our ancestry back far enough, we could find slavery in our past and a good part of us could be out in the streets demanding retribution.

The Democrats are lucky that the minorities do not know that at one point that it was the Democrats that supported slavery and were against freeing them.

Are you growing your beard again?