Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

[Seven of Nine]

Yes .. but the root issue here was the recital of a spoon fed propaganda narrative .. as it was near God's word -

I am not a fan of Wealth Redistribution .. more of a free market capitalist kind of fellow. But .. it is a necessary evil. Civil Society can not function .. not progress the way it has .. without wealth redistribution of some form.

but also .. there is an inherent fallacy here ... an assumed premise fallacy (no support given for claim) which turns out to be false.

Red are way bigger wealth redistributers than Blue since Reagan started spending money like a Princess with a Credit card. This is just a fiscal fact.

While there are other bars .. this one encompases all Gov't spending - which has to come from ??? da da daaaaaaa .. our Pocket .. and by this measure .. Red has been far worse than Blue .. running up massive deficits .. since Reagan.

Are you referring to taking care of the poor (including charities, welfare, public homeless shelters) when you speak of wealth redistribution?

Please elaborate. Thank you.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... the root issue here was the recital of a spoon fed propaganda narrative ...

... and it's still continuing as evidenced ...


Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Please do not respond with one word answers. ...

OK, -- ABORTION = MURDER!

Bobby Jo

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Please do not respond with one word answers. Any donut can make a claim .. supporting that claim is a different matter.

Please explain why we should consider a single human cell .. "a person" from a secular perspective - as there is no valid scriptural support for your claim - but much support to the contrary position ..

The tell me when you figure the soul arrives - and don't forget the "why" .. and don't forget to say where the soul came from .. and where it will reside once it leaves the fleshy vessel ..

When do you consider the developing human to be a person?

 

[Heyzeus]

Are you referring to taking care of the poor (including charities, welfare, public homeless shelters) when you speak of wealth redistribution?

Please elaborate. Thank you.

Wealth redistribution is all Gov't spending. Our Gov't takes in so much revenue every year .. but then we spend more than this which is the deficit. If one increases the deficit .. the amount spent above revenue and above what was borrowed for spending last year .. you are increasing the aggregate amount of wealth redistribution .. be it on Military, Roads .. Everything the Gov't spends money on ... Every Gov't Employee .. the large and the small.. all paid for via wealth redistribution .. its all "Socialism" in this respect.

So by this measure .. Red have been the far bigger Socialists than Blue since Reagan .. they just claim that "Military isn't part of Socialism" - but this is self deception ..

Speaking of Military though .. Blue is now Neocon .. and Anti Environment .. how is that for and Orwellian twist.

 

[Heyzeus]

OK, -- ABORTION = MURDER!

Bobby Jo

Right .. got that the first go around. Repetition of premise is not support for claim.

Support your claim that a single human cell is a living human/Person .. such that the death of this cell constitutes murder - if done intentionally.

 

[Seven of Nine]

Wealth redistribution is all Gov't spending. Our Gov't takes in so much revenue every year .. but then we spend more than this which is the deficit. If one increases the deficit .. the amount spent above revenue and above what was borrowed for spending last year .. you are increasing the aggregate amount of wealth redistribution .. be it on Military, Roads .. Everything the Gov't spends money on ... Every Gov't Employee .. the large and the small.. all paid for via wealth redistribution .. its all "Socialism" in this respect.

So by this measure .. Red have been the far bigger Socialists than Blue since Reagan .. they just claim that "Military isn't part of Socialism" - but this is self deception ..

Speaking of Military though .. Blue is now Neocon .. and Anti Environment .. how is that for and Orwellian twist.

Thank you for clarifying what you were talking about in your other post. I appreciate it.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... the topic of which is wealth redistribution ..

I like "wealth distribution" (not redistribution) when I work hard, spend my money wisely, and can afford to hire someone who wants to work.

I agree with Scripture that if a person can work but chooses not to, he shall not eat. And to take from others and give to him is no different that STEALING from the individual, store owner, or society.
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Support your claim that a single human cell is a living human/Person ....

You hide behind LIES, because that's what your master teaches you. -- The discussion is how a child is created in the womb and strives for life, but is MURDERED because of selfish mankind. And those who perpetrate and endorse such atrocities will not go unpunished.

And after warning these types they can go their own way and receive their own "reward". -- IGNORE! :)
Bobby Jo

 

[Heyzeus]

When do you consider the developing human a person?

When the soul arrives.

So when you get to heaven .... and want to take a vacation to one if the millions of destinations in the universe .. and live another life - but the rule being that you will not remember your past life .. who you are .. until you get back up to heaven Where will you Go ?

Now .. when you enter this fleshy vessel that you will call home for a lifetime - you will blank out .. then open eyes and - your vacation begins.

So what is the time to enter this vessel ? not much point prior to cognition I would not think .. Until the wiring of the brain is complete .. that is not happening .. so even if you did enter .. you would not be aware of anything .. so not much point until entering prior to that. "I think therefore I am"

Also .. if you entered earlier .. say at the zygote stage .. the possibility is high that the fleshy vessel will not make it. Later on the odds are much better.

BTY .. it is not a "developing human" .. until it is "A Human" nor does the zygote develop into a human .. thats not the way it works.

At the zygote stage . .. not a single cell exists that will be part of the structure of the human being created .. not one brick has yet been laid.

This does not happen until the blastocyst is formed 300 or so totipotent cells - all clones of the zygote - each able to create any cell in the human body .. each able to create an entire human (so if we had claimed a soul at zygote 1 .. we now have 300 souls 300 potential humans)

These cells form a hollow sphere .. inside of which the embryoblast will be .. these totipotent cells start spitting out differentiated and specialized cells .. these cells are the first bricks in the structure of the human under creation.

So then .. for the "at conception" folks - how is it possible for a human to exist -when not a single cell in the body of that human exists.

Define what a human is - then show that the entity before us meets that definition .. only then can you claim it is a "developing human"

 

[Josho]

10 Reasons Why You Should Reject Socialism

Why we must protect the family, private property and America from the dangers of socialism.

1. Socialism and communism are the same ideology
Communism is but an extreme form of socialism. From the ideological standpoint, there is no substantial difference between the two. In fact, the communist Soviet Union called itself the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (1922-1991) and communist China, Cuba and Vietnam define themselves as socialist nations.

2. Socialism violates personal freedom
Socialism seeks to eliminate "injustice" by transferring rights and responsibilities from individuals and families to the State. In the process, socialism actually creates injustice. It destroys true liberty: the freedom to decide all matters that lie within our own competence and to follow the course shown by our reason, within the laws of morality, including the dictates of justice and charity.

3. Socialism violates human nature
Socialism is anti-natural. It destroys personal initiative – a fruit of our intellect and free will – and replaces it with State control. It tends to totalitarianism, with its government and police repression, wherever it is implemented.

4. Socialism violates private property
Socialism calls for "redistributing the wealth" by taking from the "rich" to give to the poor. It imposes taxes that punish those who have been able to take greater advantage of their productive talents, capacity to work or thrift. It uses taxation to promote economic and social egalitarianism, a goal that will be fully achieved, according to The Communist Manifesto, with the "abolition of private property."

5. Socialism opposes traditional marriage
Socialism sees no moral reason for people to restrict sex to marriage, that is, to an indissoluble union between a man and a woman. Furthermore, socialism undermines private property, which Friedrich Engels, founder of modern socialism and communism along with Karl Marx, saw as the foundation of traditional marriage.

6. Socialism opposes parental rights in education
Socialism has the State, and not parents, control the education of children. Almost from birth, children are to be handed over to public institutions, where they will be taught what the State wants, regardless of parental views. Evolution must be taught. School prayer must be forbidden.

7. Socialism promotes radical equality
A supposed absolute equality among men is the fundamental assumption of socialism. Therefore, it sees any inequality as unjust in itself. Private employers are quickly portrayed as "exploiters" whose profits really belong to their employees. As a consequence, they rule out the system of wage earning.

8. Socialism promotes atheism
Belief in God, who unlike us is infinite, omnipotent and omniscient, clashes head-on with the principle of absolute equality. Socialism therefore rejects the spiritual, claiming that only matter exists. God, the soul, and the next life are illusions according to socialism.

9. Socialism promotes relativism
For socialism there are no absolute truths or revealed morals that establish standards of conduct that apply to everyone, everywhere, and always. Everything evolves, including right and wrong, good and evil. There is no place for the Ten Commandments, neither in the private mind nor in the public square.

10. Socialism mocks religion
According to Karl Marx, religion is "the opium of the people." Lenin, founder of the Soviet Union, agreed: "Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man."

May God protect America from socialism.

Source: 10 Reasons Why You Should Reject Socialism

Were those 4 countries ever truly socialist? If they were the citizens would have had better welfare.

I myself do believe I believe just about all economic systems are flawed.

Yes, even Capitalism is flawed, the gap between the rich and poor just gets bigger and bigger.

But have you ever heard of Christian socialism?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

BTY .. it is not a "developing human" .. until it is "A Human" nor does the zygote develop into a human .. thats not the way it works.

I'm not even sure how to reply to most of what you wrote. :

So...what is the zygote, if not human? Is it canine or equine or what? IOW, could it possibly develop into a dog or a horse??

No, the developing zygote has human DNA, correct? He/she is a human zygote. And the fetus has human DNA, so he/she is a human fetus.....

Here's something to consider. When I found out that I was pregnant (very early on), I never wondered what was growing in my womb. I always knew that it was a human baby. In fact, I called it a baby. I told my husband, "I'm going to have a baby!"
.

 

[Heyzeus]

You hide behind LIES, because that's what your master teaches you. -- The discussion is how a child is created in the womb and strives for life, but is MURDERED because of selfish mankind. And those who perpetrate and endorse such atrocities will not go unpunished.

And after warning these types they can go their own way and receive their own "reward". -- IGNORE! :)
Bobby Jo

What child ? You are claiming that a Child exists at the zygote stage ... I agree that at other stages a Child will exist - so no need to twirl around and cry "Satan Satan"

You have not supported this claim - nor have you stated when you think the soul arrives.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Were those 4 countries ever truly socialist? If they were the citizens would have had better welfare.

I myself do believe I believe just about all economic systems are flawed.

Yes, even Capitalism is flawed, the gap between the rich and poor just gets bigger and bigger.

But have you ever heard of Christian socialism?

Christian socialism? I believe the article I posted has it right--that socialism is a form of communism, which is based on atheism.

The early Christians (in Acts) shared things in common, but I would't call this socialism or communism because obviously, the early Christians were not atheists. So, the term "Christian socialism" is an oxymoron.

I think we need to call Christian charity something else. How about Christian charity??

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What child ? You are claiming that a Child exists at the zygote stage ... I agree that at other stages a Child will exist - so no need to twirl around and cry "Satan Satan"

You have not supported this claim - nor have you stated when you think the soul arrives.

Did I say something about a child? No.

You didn't answer my questions. Is the developing zygote human? Does it have human DNA?

 

[Heyzeus]

I'm not even sure how to reply to most of what you wrote. :

So...what is the zygote, if not human? Is it canine or equine or what? IOW, could it possibly develop into a dog or a horse??

No, the developing zygote has human DNA, correct? He/she is a human zygote. And the fetus has human DNA, so he/she is a human fetus.....

Here's something to consider. When I found out that I was pregnant (very early on), I never wondered what was growing in my womb. I always knew that it was a human baby. In fact, I called it a baby. I told my husband, "I'm going to have a baby!"

A Zygote is - A Zygote .. it is a single human cell .. and the zygote doesn't develop - it divides creating identical clones of itself - these then to go on to form the blastocyst .. so what is developing at this stage .. more like being created .. is the blastocyst.

Would you like to claim that the blastocyst is a human ? Having human DNA does not make something "a human" .. surely you have been told this before.

Be careful to distinguish between the descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" - human cell - human heart - human feces, and the noun form "A human - A Living Human" = - A Person - A Homosapiens"

That something is a human cell - does not make that entity a living human.

So once again. Define what a human is - and show how the zygote fits that definition. and state when you think the soul arrives - and why.

 

[Bobby Jo]

So to get back on track to the OP, -- I hope no one will mind if I bring back the BIDEN CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, where anyone with a Security Clearance must undergo an intense background check not only of the individual, but also where his Parents were born, so that every potential BLACKMAIL aspect is covered.

And the last I knew, the President has FULL ACCESS to the MOST HIGHLY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION in the U.S. and includes FOREIGN COUNTRY's CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. So would Biden be susceptible to BLACKMAIL from China, Russia, the Ukraine, Iraq, and a HOST of other countries which he's profited from?

NOOOOOOooooooooo, who'd be so silly as to think THAT?!?
Bobby Jo

 

[Heyzeus]

Did I say something about a child? No.

You didn't answer my questions. Is the developing zygote human? Does it have human DNA?

Answered in the post I just wrote .. but yes .. the zygote is a human cell .. and has human DNA. Note the descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" .. as opposed to the Noun "A Human"

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Answered in the post I just wrote .. but yes .. the zygote is a human cell .. and has human DNA. Note the descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" .. as opposed to the Noun "A Human"

As an English teacher, I'm well aware of the difference between as adjective and a noun.

So...when do you start calling what is developing in a woman's womb "a human"? And what do you call it before you consider it to be "a human"?

 

[Heyzeus]

So, if the zygote is not human, what is it?

I just explained to you the difference between the noun and descriptive adjective .. grade 8 style .. do we have to move down to grade 5 ?

The zygote is human .. it is a human cell .. it is a human zygote .. this does not make it a living human - a child - a person.

I am not saying it is not here . . what I am asking is for you to support your claim .. rather than continue to ask silly questions .. in this case .. straw man fallacy .. accusing me of something I didn't claim.

1) Define human - show how the zygote fits that definition
2) Tell us when the soul enters the fleshy home .. or do you think a Person can exist without a soul.