They made a profession of faith. That happens all the time. That's why Jesus gave the illustration!
The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS
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That's error. Those who fall away never really believe. They're distinct from them that truly believe and bear fruit. That's illustrated in the parable. You don't understand apostasy.
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So, they lied about their faith. They had never believed. Let me tell you, someone who has never had faith in God, cannot lose their faith in God because they never had any faith to begin with.
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The irony is all yours LOL .. and you know it.. Oh what a tangled web we weave .. when we practice self deception.
My Theology is sound .. and grounded. Yours is based in man made dogma - spoon fed to you by wolves ..
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Only the believer can backslide. Someone who does not believe in God cannot turn away from God.
2 Peter 2:21 tells us it would have been better if they had never known the way of righteousness.
Matthew 26:24 tells us it would be better for such people if they had never been born
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They never had faith. Like I said you don't understand apostasy. It's nothing but false religion
People may have a head knowledge of truth. That's the stoney ground hearer. We just went over that
Matt 26 does not support your claim - This passage is in relation to Judas who betrayed Jesus -
There are many who believe in God -who betray Jesus.
You are the one in denial - the one who goes running from the Teachings of Jesus
in denial that the vast majority of Christians do not believe like you
in denial of the consequences of your belief .. unable to face the reality presented to you ..
If you want to believe Jesus is this nasty fellow -- flip flopper - with most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. you are welcome to your belief .. but you should not be shocked .. when others have a different picture of Jesus .. lets say ... a more uplifting image of the Man - The Myth - the Legend - that you have in your mind.
What do you mean by "Fall Away" - what is the benchmark ? say - if someone switches from Protestant to Orthodox .. does this make them now an "outcast" "the Other" -- Catholic used to be big on the excommunication thing .. for seemingly minor offenses.. they have moderated ..
what means "outcast" ? Sola Fide ? is that the bar ? The Trinity ? to Filioque or not to Filioque - that is the question .. is it nobler in the mind .. > To Be - Or not To Be ..
Chapter and verse please.
Why would I think Genisis was an allegory? Lots of history happens in Genisis that is very important to our understanding of Jesus. If it's just a story then why would I think Jesus whole life might not be just an allegorical story also?
Now he's a myth? You have no clue what I believe. One doesn't have to believe God is a flip flopper to understand the entire Bible in context.
You can't just ignore the parts that offend you. Why is it that people always want to prune out the OT bloody parts and make Jesus a hippie peacenick?
There is not much in Genesis about Jesus - I would refer you to the Matt/Mark if you wish to know more about Jesus..
Are you thinking Jesus was one of the "Sons of God" who laid with the fair maidens ? Where is Jesus in Genesis >?
Fall away in what way - how does one know if one has "fallen away" - and surely the prodical son may return at some point :)
No of course not. But it all connects...the first Adam and the last Adam, and Jesus speaking of the flood as a real event. And in creation, John 1: confirming Genesis and that Jesus was the creator. You can't totally get the new testament to make sense if you don't understand the references that are made to information given in the history books of the Torah.
I did not say he was a myth - your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired - The myth that you have in your mind was what I was referring to .. the story you tell yourself at night about what Jesus is .. and /or is not... your own personal myth that you have created..
but woe if someone else's myth conflicts with the spoon fed pablum you have been weened on - :)
Who said anything about being offended .. what's not to like about butchering babies for the sins of their parents :)
I am not offended .. because this is not my Story .. this is your Story - this is how you have Jesus figured out - its just that you havn't yet figured this out - or more likely you have figured it out .. but that goes into pandora's box .. never to be opened again.
No it's not your story, or mine, it's God's story.
So, no chapter and verse, just a lot of insults. Kinda boring ..
I agree ! .. it very much connects.. In the beginning you had El - Creator God - "The Father" - "the Most High" - The son YHWH superseded El - assumed El's Position .. El-YHWH if you like - The Son of YHWH - then assumed YHWH's position.. if one wishes to put Jesus on the same pedestal as "the Most High" .
I am more of a Subordinate to the Father believer .. The the son proceeds from the Father .. and then we have the dreaded Filioque .. or not to Filioque ..
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