Shall we discuss this?

[101G]

It is no more strange than the Father declaring the Son to be God in Hebrews 1.

thanks C Lady, for if the Father and the Son are two separate person then one have two separate God. and that's polytheism by definition.

for anyone who say Jesus who is God have a God, they are not of God, for no way will the Holy Ghost allow, NOT HIS SONS, to speak such evil.

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

thanks C Lady, for if the Father and the Son are two separate person then one have two separate God. and that's polytheism by definition.

for anyone who say Jesus who is God have a God, they are not of God, for no way will the Holy Ghost allow, NOT HIS SONS, to speak such evil.

PICJAG.

All three are God, so for one to declare the other God is confirmation, not heresy.

 

[101G]

All three are God, so for one to declare the other God is confirmation, not heresy.

there is no all "three". do you understand? there is only one, and he was "SHARED" equally in flesh.

now if you want to discuss this, just read my previous posts in this and other topics.

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

there is no all "three". do you understand? there is only one, and he was "SHARED" equally in flesh.

now if you want to discuss this, just read my previous posts in this and other topics.

PICJAG.

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

No need to discuss.

 

[101G]

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

No need to discuss.

Correct, no need to discuss, for titles are not person. and one Person hold all of the titles.

and the way we know that these are titles, listen, 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." not "they" are one which would have indicated "person", but the scripture said, and "THESE", are one. three titles of ONE person.

C Lady, you might need to do what Hebrews 5:12 - 14 say do. "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

I have notice, and been knowed this, many read but not UNDERSTAND, no fault of their own, but from years of false teaching that has blinded their sense of UNDERSTANDING.

no put down just an observation.

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Correct, no need to discuss, for titles are not person. and one Person hold all of the titles.

and the way we know that these are titles, listen, 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." not "they" are one which would have indicated "person", but the scripture said, and "THESE", are one. three titles of ONE person.

C Lady, you might need to do what Hebrews 5:12 - 14 say do. "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

I have notice, and been knowed this, many read but not UNDERSTAND, no fault of their own, but from years of false teaching that has blinded their sense of UNDERSTANDING.

no put down just an observation.

PICJAG.

I never said the three are three persons did I? No I didn't.

 

[101G]

I never said the three are three persons did I? No I didn't.

are you sure?...... (lol), smile. and they are not three Gods either ..... right... (smile)....

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

are you sure?...... (lol), smile. and they are not three Gods either ..... right... (smile)....

PICJAG.

One God, but three substances.

 

[101G]

One God, but three substances.

? "but three substances" please explain.

PICJAG.

 

[icxn]

...I think the Scriptures answer this well.

God is the God of all flesh. So when Jesus took on flesh, He humbled Himself - reduced himself to the status of an human servant - taking on all that goes with being human, including that the Father is His God, even though being God Himself.

Much love!

Agreed.

:-)

 

[101G]

One God, but three substances.

well the trinity doctrine is now changing again. First they got off the THREE God to three person, and since the three persons is no longer working, now come the three substance. any time a doctrine is changinging all the time one should know something is wrong.

but we'll wait and hear the matter..... (smile). cain't wait to hear this three substance.

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

? "but three substances" please explain.

PICJAG.

The Father is like the mind - invisible, but real.
The Spirit is like the life force - invisible, but real.
The Word became Jesus, the embodiment of them all.

 

[101G]

The Father is like the mind - invisible, but real.
The Spirit is like the life force - invisible, but real.
The Word became Jesus, the embodiment of them all.

that's all you got?

PICJAG

 

[101G]

The Father is like the mind - invisible, but real.
The Spirit is like the life force - invisible, but real.
The Word became Jesus, the embodiment of them all.

well if this is all you got, lets put an end to this nonesense.
you said, "The Spirit is like the life force?". John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

well your first statement is already in trouble. care to explain?

PICJAG.

 

[icxn]

No matter how you slice it, you have God having a God, even if it is just a smidgin' of God's being having a God.

....unless it was play acting?

Christ has a God because He became a man like us. It is the same with saying Christ died. If we are to be consistent, it is wrong to say God died, the divinity that is. Only that part of Him (humanity) that was capable of dying suffered death. We sometimes abuse the term God to refer to one of the persons of the Holy Trinity, but the distinction needs to be understood.

Strictly speaking, the term God refers to the divine nature (essence), which is one and common (shared) among the three divine hypostasis (persons), Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[kcnalp]

7 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

...and that aint no "figure of speech" either.

And neither is this.

John 1 The Word was God,

Rev 21 And they will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER.

Are you sure you're not JW?

 

[Enoch111]

Strictly speaking, the term God refers to the divine nature (essence), which is one and common (shared) among the three divine hypostasis (persons), Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

And yet Scripture says that the Church has been purchased with the blood of God. And all English translations agree.

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)

Since it is the Holy Spirit who inspired Paul to write in this fashion, we must believe that God directed Paul to speak about the blood of God, since God was manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16).

 

[101G]

And yet Scripture says that the Church has been purchased with the blood of God. And all English translations agree.

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)

Since it is the Holy Spirit who inspired Paul to write in this fashion, we must believe that God directed Paul to speak about the blood of God, since God was manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16).

This is correct, for the blood whom the Holy Ghost purchased Church, is JESUS the Christ, now resurrected. meaning Jesus the Christ is the holy Ghost in Flesh. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"
1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," and we know that it is the Christ blood, Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"
Colossians 1:13 "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"
Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"

so we clearly can see that the blood of God is in Christ Jesus, and Acts 20:28 let us know clearly who JESUS is, the Holy Ghost. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." he, reference back to the Holy Ghost, who is Jesus the Christ who appointed Paul, who wrote this, as his Pastor/Bishop to his church.

so without a doubt Jesus is the Holy Ghost, God IN FLESH.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

One God, but three substances.

The Father is like the mind - invisible, but real.
The Spirit is like the life force - invisible, but real.
The Word became Jesus, the embodiment of them all.

well I guess the three substances thing is mute now? as I see no response.

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

So ignore the words of the OP as we see them?

I didn't ignore OP.

They don't really mean what they say?

"They"? OP words didn't say much to form an opinion on "Those" words.

Don't you think Christendom has to eventually fix this someday?

Not sure What you think is Broken and needs Fixing.