USA riots

[bukka]

I never said anything like that. No need to put words into my mouth.

You seem to reject, marks, the government of the opposition party. You have to choose to accept government of all the people or not at all. You have to decide this thing. What you say has more meaning in its implications that what you want to admit to.

But that's what this movement is all about. That's what BLM wants to do, to control the narrative in order to secure special privilege to in order to enact wealth transfer, to promote things like deviant sexuality, abortion (Planned Parenthood was created to kill black babies!), gender confusion, and even if they didn't instigate any of the violence, even if, yet still they went along with it, allowed it, knowing the strong-arm it brings to their cause.

Prove it! The people cry! I've just watched it.

BLM is a non-Christian organization and so I would not expect to see it promoting only Christian values. But given that Sunday worship is the most racially segregated time in American life, I would not expect that BLM would accept traditional Christian racial segregation in thought and in worship.

If you want to complain about wealth transfer, why have you not protested the wealth transfers of huge tax cuts to the 1% for the last 30 years. Your anger at the BLM seems to be inconsistent with your support of the beggarly rich.

I affirm that all citizens have the right of assembly for the redress of grievances. And if you reject the Bill of Rights, why not come out and admit it?

I will affirm the Golden Rule of Jesus!

 

[bukka]

Me, the people I know, we were all just looking for a good president. And what he's done up to now has been amazing! He's actually methodically kept his campaigne promises, and done a lot of good for this country. Not everything he's done is good, I know, but no one is perfect!

As far as President Trump being up to the challenge, I think the guy has more driving him inside than outside, and one thing I'd like to see is better advisors, and for him to listen to them.

Trump didn't balance the budget, provide affordable health care for all, have Mexico build the wall (were paying for it) and provide transparency in government. Trump has been wasteful and secretive. He has not fulfilled his campaign promises even when the Congress was completely controlled by the Republican Party.

I support Jesus Christ as Lord. I do not support any other supposed "anointed" leader. I consider Trumps "anointing" in the White House by those evangelical leaders to have been an act bordering on blasphemy. Let us walk in the Lord! Let us follow the Golden Rule in respect to each other!

 

[marks]

BLM is merely citizens organized to exercise their right to assembly for a redress of grievances. If you're against the Bill of Rights, Enoch111, come out and say it.

I support the Bill of Rights and the Golden Rule taught by Jesus that would be its justification. Let us love one another as Jesus loved us.

Loving people is not about killing them by abortion, or encouraging lifestyles which destroy them. Let us love one another as Jesus loved us, and not be imposing our will over others to their hurt, and not be encouraging every manner of deviancy, and not be murdering their babies.

Let us love as Jesus loves, and not be hypocrits as if some lives are more valuable then others. The only thing that makes one live more valuable is to BLM, and how well it will play for their agenda.

 

[marks]

You seem to reject, marks, the government of the opposition party.

Again . . .

I've not said any such thing! Really, is putting words into my mouth the best argument you have?

Your anger at the BLM seems to be inconsistent with your support of the beggarly rich.

I'm not angry with BLM, I'm pointing out facts about BLM. Trying to put this on an emotional level is exactly what BLM does, in fact! Also ascribing motives, and making claims of others, " . . . your support of the beggarly rich" (sic), we haven't discussed such things.

So that's what's done. Try to move it to an emotional level. Put the other guy on the defensive. And just keep pumping it out until they capitulate.

What I reject is propaganda put out by disengenuous political groups who insist on 'using their rights' to deprive others of theirs.

Stop treating people like victims who aren't victims. And stop acting like victims!

If BLM REALLY thought black lives matter? They would not support abortion. And maybe they wouldn't ignore what I think is the biggest reason for failure within the black community - fatherless children.

 

[bukka]

Again . . .

I've not said any such thing! Really, is putting words into my mouth the best argument you have?



I'm not angry with BLM, I'm pointing out facts about BLM. Trying to put this on an emotional level is exactly what BLM does, in fact! Also ascribing motives, and making claims of others, " . . . your support of the beggarly rich" (sic), we haven't discussed such things.

So that's what's done. Try to move it to an emotional level. Put the other guy on the defensive. And just keep pumping it out until they capitulate.

What I reject is propaganda put out by disengenuous political groups who insist on 'using their rights' to deprive others of theirs.

Stop treating people like victims who aren't victims. And stop acting like victims!

If BLM REALLY thought black lives matter? They would not support abortion. And maybe they wouldn't ignore what I think is the biggest reason for failure within the black community - fatherless children.

I don't think you'd like a family member murdered by a police officer and then hear other people complaining about you and your family thinking of themselves as victims. I don't think that living in fear of police officers that may murder you is not an incentive that you should act upon.

Get over it, marks, the right to assembly to seek redress for grievances is written in the constitution. I think that if you're rejecting the Bill of Rights, come out and say it. If freedom of the press and religion is not important to you, say it. If the right to bear arms is not important to you, say it! Quit defaming the character of the protesters and blaming them for the outsiders that infiltrate their ranks to riot and to engage in other lawless acts. If criminals use guns to commit crimes does that mean that the right to bear arms is a right to be rejected? Come on! Be consistent in your argument. If rioting occurs during a right of assembly, does that mean you want to ban assemblies? Does that mean banning arms and the right to bear them? Come on! Be consistent!

Why not consider the Golden Rule for a change? This is the moral basis for the right of assembly specifically, and for the Bill of Rights, generally. Let us follow Christ and love others as we love ourselves. That establishes equity in law.

 

[marks]

If some persons wreck a community by oppressing others,

Yep, we've just seen a big round of that.

Where is the protest against all That violence?? Family tragedies across this nation! Homes lost. Businesses lost. Just after trying to reopen after the pandemic! Families destroyed by a death! They don't repudiate it. They say, "Next we're coming for you!" promoting fear.

 

[Renniks]

How do you know this, Renniks? If I recall directly, in a number of the protests, the protesters were pointing out and assisting in other ways the police in dealing with the rioters. See also Giuliano post #394. These incidents are being investigated by the FBI.

I'm not saying there are no outsiders, but to claim all the violence and vandalism is done by outsiders is incredibly naive.

 

[Renniks]

if rioting occurs during a right of assembly, does that mean you want to ban assemblies

And no one is claiming we should ban assemblies. Strawman alert!

 

[bukka]

I'm not saying there are no outsiders, but to claim all the violence and vandalism is done by outsiders is incredibly naive.

How do you know this? But does this also mean that because criminals use guns, does that mean that the right to keep and bear arms is to be thrown away? The BLM's right to assemble to seek redress of grievances is in the constitution. If criminals misuse an assembly of citizens like other criminals using guns, that is no cause for taking civil rights away or complaining about honest citizens.

Let us follow the Golden Rule of Christ in all things.

 

[bukka]

I'm not saying there are no outsiders, but to claim all the violence and vandalism is done by outsiders is incredibly naive.

And no one is claiming we should ban assemblies. Strawman alert!

Then quit defaming BLM making them out to be criminals. Do you want the average gun owner, not a criminal, to be regarded as a criminal when they are exercising their constitutional right. Be consistent!

Let us follow the Golden Rule of Christ in all things.

 

[bukka]

Yep, we've just seen a big round of that.

Where is the protest against all That violence?? Family tragedies across this nation! Homes lost. Businesses lost. Just after trying to reopen after the pandemic! Families destroyed by a death! They don't repudiate it. They say, "Next we're coming for you!" promoting fear.

Get over it, marks, the right to assembly to seek redress for grievances is written in the constitution. I think that if you're rejecting the Bill of Rights, come out and say it. If freedom of the press and religion is not important to you, say it. If the right to bear arms is not important to you, say it! Quit defaming the character of the protesters and blaming them for the outsiders that infiltrate their ranks to riot and to engage in other lawless acts. If criminals use guns to commit crimes does that mean that the right to bear arms is a right to be rejected? Come on! Be consistent in your argument. If rioting occurs during a right of assembly, does that mean you want to ban assemblies? Does that mean banning arms and the right to bear them? Come on! Be consistent!

Quit defaming BLM making them out to be criminals. Do you want the average gun owner, not a criminal, to be regarded as a criminal when they are exercising their constitutional right. Be consistent! If you want the average gun owner held responsible for school massacres, say it! Be consistent!

Why not consider the Golden Rule for a change? This is the moral basis for the right of assembly specifically, and for the Bill of Rights, generally. Let us follow Christ and love others as we love ourselves. That establishes equity in law.

 

[Renniks]

The BLM's right to assemble to seek redress of grievances is in the constitution. If criminals misuse an assembly of citizens like other criminals using guns, that is no cause for taking civil rights away or complaining about honest citizens.

Who said it was? Again with the strawman?

 

[Renniks]

Then quit defaming BLM making them out to be criminals. Do you want the average gun owner, not a criminal, to be regarded as a criminal when they are exercising their

Is BLM condemning the acts of vandalism and violence done in thier name?
Law abiding gun owners consistently condemn the actions of those who use guns for criminal purposes.

 

[marks]

Quit defaming the character of the protesters and blaming them for the outsiders that infiltrate their ranks to riot and to engage in other lawless acts. If criminals use guns to commit crimes does that mean that the right to bear arms is a right to be rejected? Come on! Be consistent in your argument. If rioting occurs during a right of assembly, does that mean you want to ban assemblies? Does that mean banning arms and the right to bear them? Come on! Be consistent!

Admit that this is the agenda of BLM. That while gangs of thugs certainly took advantage of the situation, this was NOT the sole reason for violence and mayhem.

Let's get real.

Aren't you a bit more concerned by the dozens of black people killed by other black people every week of the year?

Not all Black Lives Matter to BLM. Only those that further it's agenda. They'll tell you which lives to value and which lives to not. And yes, like everyone else, they have a right to protest.

Whether they be liars and killers, thieves and vandals, they have the right to protest.

You want to separate BLM from every bad act. Yet they themselves announce who they are. I'll believe them over you. I'll believe their behavior over your claims.

 

[marks]

Why not consider the Golden Rule for a change? This is the moral basis for the right of assembly specifically, and for the Bill of Rights, generally. Let us follow Christ and love others as we love ourselves. That establishes equity in law.

Apply these words with equity.

Hold Everyone accountable. Fortunately there is a lot of video, so that many of these protesters turned looters, and other criminals, will hopefully all be arrested and prosecuted.

Hopefully everyone who burnt down someone's home, car, business, hurt them, killed them, all of these will be successfully prosecuted, not just the ones that BLM says matters.

 

[marks]

And, let's not forget, the entire premise of "BLM", black live matter, is racist in and of itself. All lives matter. Let's show some consistency!

 

[marks]

I will affirm the Golden Rule of Jesus!

So then you repudiate the goals of BLM?

 

[marks]

Trump didn't balance the budget, provide affordable health care for all, have Mexico build the wall (were paying for it) and provide transparency in government. Trump has been wasteful and secretive. He has not fulfilled his campaign promises even when the Congress was completely controlled by the Republican Party.

You need to do some research! And not just believe the hype.

 

[bukka]

Who said it was? Again with the strawman?

Is BLM condemning the acts of vandalism and violence done in thier name?
Law abiding gun owners consistently condemn the actions of those who use guns for criminal purposes.

Admit that this is the agenda of BLM. That while gangs of thugs certainly took advantage of the situation, this was NOT the sole reason for violence and mayhem.

Let's get real.

Aren't you a bit more concerned by the dozens of black people killed by other black people every week of the year?

Not all Black Lives Matter to BLM. Only those that further it's agenda. They'll tell you which lives to value and which lives to not. And yes, like everyone else, they have a right to protest.

Whether they be liars and killers, thieves and vandals, they have the right to protest.

You want to separate BLM from every bad act. Yet they themselves announce who they are. I'll believe them over you. I'll believe their behavior over your claims.

So marks and Rennik, you believe criminals over lawful citizens exercising their rights under the constitution. Why not then take all the guns away when a school massacre occurs? Why not take free speech, assembly and religion away if the exercise of those infuriate a President wanting loyalty to him over any existing law?

You are advocating tyranny when you equate the actions of lawful citizens exercising their rights with criminals. If you can do that, you can take away the Bill of Rights from all Americans.

You two have not made your case. Are you now going to advocate to take away the guns of all Americans because of school massacres? Do you not realize that at a certain point inconsistency turns into hypocrisy? Think about it.

Why not consider the Golden Rule for a change? This is the moral basis for the right of assembly specifically, and for the Bill of Rights, generally. Let us follow Christ and love others as we love ourselves. That establishes equity in law.

 

[marks]

So marks and Rennik, you believe criminals over lawful citizens exercising their rights under the constitution.

Let's be real clear here. Your view is that BLM people had nothing to do with riots, burglaries, arson, and vandalism? This is your claim?