The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2

[Malihah]

I mean, you need to check your information if you have any interest in what is the truth regarding your charges.

I don't need to check anything! You're gonna spew your anti-catholic, anti-sunday propaganda and I'm going to spew my anti-sabbath, anti-law truth and that's just the way it's gonna be.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I mean, you need to check your information if you have any interest in what is the truth regarding your charges.

I don't need to check anything! You're gonna spew your anti-catholic, anti-sunday propaganda and I'm going to spew my anti-sabbath, anti-law truth and that's just the way it's gonna be.

How about we all quit all of the hate spewing, and instead focus on following the Second Great Commandment?

 

[justbyfaith]

How about we all quit all of the hate spewing, and instead focus on following the Second Great Commandment?

Of course, loving thy neighbor as thyself involves making sure they understand salvational truths so that they don't go to the wrong place in eternity.

 

[Malihah]

How about we all quit all of the hate spewing, and instead focus on following the Second Great Commandment?

I have a news flash for you....Love is much bigger than your very small definition of it.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Of course, loving thy neighbor as thyself involves making sure they understand salvational truths so that they don't go to the wrong place in eternity.

Which involves actually seeing the person, listening to them, and taking the time to understand what they believe.

Not "anti-cult" techniques of de-humanizing people and spewing hate.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I have a news flash for you....Love is much bigger than your very small definition of it.

Obviously going to disagree with you there.

 

[Brakelite]

Which involves actually seeing the person, listening to them, and taking the time to understand what they believe.

Not "anti-cult" techniques of de-humanizing people and spewing hate.

Lol. I think you're facing the wrong way with that little tid bit of advice. I know of only one Catholic on this site who didn't call everyone else a liar and deceiver if they disagree with Catholic teachings... Version of history... It anything else remotely "Catholic". Even calling the Catholic Church Roman came under attack from everyone every time it's mentioned... Yet it is a Roman church! By the way, I'm speaking of @aspen who I haven't seen for a while.

 

[justbyfaith]

Which involves actually seeing the person, listening to them, and taking the time to understand what they believe.

Not "anti-cult" techniques of de-humanizing people and spewing hate.

My dad is or was a homosexual...and he thinks that Christians are about nothing but hate.

But when I talk to him and tell him that his sin will place him in the lake of fire, I am wanting to deter him from going there.

I believe that it is, in fact, love, to want a person to go to heaven and not hell...even if you have to tell them something that they don't want to hear so that they end up hating you and projecting their own hatred on to you so that they think that you are hating them when in fact it is the other way around.

Of course I also tell him about how much Christ loves him...so much so that He went to a Cross to take away the penalty for his sin!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

My dad is a homosexual...and he thinks that Christians are about nothing but hate.

But when I talk to him and tell him that his sin will place him in the lake of fire, I am wanting to deter him from going there.

I believe that it is, in fact, love, to want a person to go to heaven and not hell...even if you have to tell them something that they don't want to hear so that they end up hating you and projecting their own hatred on to you so that they think that you are hating them when in fact it is the other way around.

Of course I also tell him about how much Christ loves him...so much so that He went to a Cross to take away the penalty for his sin!

I'm sorry, but I've never seen "anti-cult" encourage any real faith development for anyone (including it's adherents) or loving another person.
And I've seen LOTS of example of it doing the opposite.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm sorry, but I've never seen "anti-cult" encourage any real faith development for anyone (including it's adherents) or loving another person.
And I've seen LOTS of example of it doing the opposite.

"anti-cult" has a focus of diminishing the power of the cult in a person's life.

Once a person exits the cult, there is plenty of Christian ministry that will edify them in the things of the Lord.

But of course, before we can build and plant, we must root out, pull down, destroy, and throw down...Jeremiah 1:10.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

"anti-cult" has a focus of diminishing the power of the cult in a person's life.

Once a person exits the cult, there is plenty of Christian ministry that will edify them in the things of the Lord.

But of course, before we can build and plant, we must root out, pull down, destroy, and throw down...Jeremiah 1:10.

Hence why it so seldom works for it's adherents or anyone else.

Rather than bashing why you think a person is brainwashed and wrong, instead focus on the Lord & exemplifying His Truth.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hence why it never works for it's adherents or anyone else.

Rather than bashing why you think a person is brainwashed and wrong, instead focus on the Lord & exemplifying His Truth.

You would be building gold, silver, and precious gems on the foundation of a dunghill.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You would be building gold, silver, and precious gems on the foundation of a dunghill.

Every person (including adherents of anti-cult) is a sinner dressed in horribly bloody rags.
And the very Son of God died for each of those wretched sinners.

We still should likewise love each, develop our individual faith, and teach each person's of God's.

 

[justbyfaith]

Every person (including adherents of anti-cult) is a sinner dressed in horribly bloody rags.
And the very Son of God died for each of those wretched sinners.

We still should likewise love each, develop our individual faith, and teach each person's of God's.

The dunghill is the foundation of lies that a cult is founded on, not the sin of every man.

A man can dig deep and build the foundation on Christ Himself and obedience to His word...thus creating a solid foundation of rock.

But if you have a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible, your foundation is sinking sand...you will not survive, you will not make it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Every person (including adherents of anti-cult) is a sinner dressed in horribly bloody rags.

See Revelation 19:8 (kjv) and Philippians 3:9.

Rev 19:8, And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The righteousness which is of God by faith is in fact fine linen, clean and white.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The dunghill is the foundation of lies that a cult is founded on, not the sin of every man.

A man can dig deep and build the foundation on Christ Himself and obedience to His word...thus creating a solid foundation of rock.

But if you have a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible, your foundation is sinking sand...you will not survive, you will not make it.

Except it's not about fighting a "cult".
It's about the individual sinner, dressed in rags, as we all are.

 

[justbyfaith]

Except it's not about fighting a "cult".
It's about the individual sinner, dressed in rags, as we all are.

See post #155 (The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2).

 

[Jane_Doe22]

See post #155 (The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2).

Applies to a person, not fighting a "cult".
Christ died for each person. Each sinner dressed in horrible rags.

 

[justbyfaith]

Applies to a person, not fighting a "cult".
Christ died for each person. Each sinner dressed in horrible rags.

Some dressed in fine linen, clean and white. Because they have received what Christ has done for them.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Some dressed in fine linen, clean and white. Because they have received what Christ has done for them.

Which should be our focus for each individual.
Also remembering our own dependence on God.