Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Paul Christensen]

I am not Catholic. I have major problems with some Catholic beliefs (such a literal Lord's Supper, Marian practices, etc).
I am also not your particular brand of Christianity. I have major problems with some of your beliefs.

But I would NEVER call your beliefs "rat poison" or anyone else's. Such is downright acidic and doesn't bring anyone to Christ.

What I was doing was giving rat poison as an example to show that a religious movement can be 99.6% sound, but .4% unsound. It can be the .4% that is poison to a Christian believer. So I am not saying that the whole of Catholicism (or Mormonism for that matter) is rat poison, but a very small part of it.

However, the Coronavirus is a very small organism but has the potential to kill an affected person, as we know from the thousands who have died from it in the US alone. The Scripture as quoted by a friend on this thread: "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump", shows that just a teaspoon of yeast in a large bowl full of dough affects the whole lot.

Jim Jones caused the deaths of over a 1000 people in his commune by put a teaspoon of cyanide compound into several gallons of CoolAid. The CoolAid was 99% percent good, but the 1% killed all those people.

That's what I am talking about when I use the example of rat poison. I could have used the other examples here to say the same thing.

A pedophile priest can be 99% good and do many great things for the Church and the community, but the 1% of him that is pedophile, totally corrupts him and renders him a criminal.

Just because there are priests in the church who are pedophiles, fornicators and adulterers, doesn't mean that the church in general is a pedophile, fornicating, adulterous church.

 

[Joseph77]

What about a fly in a bottle of perfume /ointment ?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

What I was doing was giving rat poison as an example to show that a religious movement can be 99.6% sound, but .4% unsound. It can be the .4% that is poison to a Christian believer. So I am not saying that the whole of Catholicism (or Mormonism for that matter) is rat poison, but a very small part of it.

However, the Coronavirus is a very small organism but has the potential to kill an affected person, as we know from the thousands who have died from it in the US alone. The Scripture as quoted by a friend on this thread: "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump", shows that just a teaspoon of yeast in a large bowl full of dough affects the whole lot.

Jim Jones caused the deaths of over a 1000 people in his commune by put a teaspoon of cyanide compound into several gallons of CoolAid. The CoolAid was 99% percent good, but the 1% killed all those people.

That's what I am talking about when I use the example of rat poison. I could have used the other examples here to say the same thing.

A pedophile priest can be 99% good and do many great things for the Church and the community, but the 1% of him that is pedophile, totally corrupts him and renders him a criminal.

Just because there are priests in the church who are pedophiles, fornicators and adulterers, doesn't mean that the church in general is a pedophile, fornicating, adulterous church.

This post does not help your cause.

 

[Joseph77]

What I was doing was giving rat poison as an example to show that a religious movement can be 99.6% sound, but .4% unsound. It can be the .4% that is poison to a Christian believer. So I am not saying that the whole of Catholicism (or Mormonism for that matter) is rat poison, but a very small part of it.

However, the Coronavirus is a very small organism but has the potential to kill an affected person, as we know from the thousands who have died from it in the US alone. The Scripture as quoted by a friend on this thread: "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump", shows that just a teaspoon of yeast in a large bowl full of dough affects the whole lot.

Jim Jones caused the deaths of over a 1000 people in his commune by put a teaspoon of cyanide compound into several gallons of CoolAid. The CoolAid was 99% percent good, but the 1% killed all those people.

That's what I am talking about when I use the example of rat poison. I could have used the other examples here to say the same thing.

A pedophile priest can be 99% good and do many great things for the Church and the community, but the 1% of him that is pedophile, totally corrupts him and renders him a criminal.

Just because there are priests in the church who are pedophiles, fornicators and adulterers, doesn't mean that the church in general is a pedophile, fornicating, adulterous church.

If rats recognized rat poison, would they eat it ?

 

[Paul Christensen]

This post does not help your cause.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just stating what I believe is true. If what I am saying is really true, then the blood of others is not on my hands of the judgment because I have followed the Holy Spirit's instructions to me through Ezekiel the Prophet when He said, "Tell them and warn them, even if they won't listen to you". "If you as a watchman sees the enemy coming and don't warn the people, then their blood is on your hands because you didn't warn them; but if you, seeing the enemy coming, and warn them, even if they don't heed your warning, their blood is not on your hands because as the watchman, you raised your voice and warned the people."

So, it doesn't worry me at all that I have not succeeded in my cause to show you what I believe is the truth, because I have confidence in the judgment that I have given the appropriate warning, and if people decide not to heed it, they do it at their own risk.

 

[Paul Christensen]

If rats recognized rat poison, would they eat it ?

They don't, because the .4% poison in the food is undetectable, and the rats see the food as love eating it, not knowing that they are being poisoned. Deceived people don't know they are being deceived. No good hunter lays the traps out so the animal can see them!

 

[Joseph77]

QUOTE="Paul Christensen, post: 719626, member: 8565"]I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just stating what I believe is true. If what I am saying is really true, then the blood of others is not on my hands of the judgment because I have followed the Holy Spirit's instructions to me through Ezekiel the Prophet when He said, "Tell them and warn them, even if they won't listen to you". "If you as a watchman sees the enemy coming and don't warn the people, then their blood is on your hands because you didn't warn them; but if you, seeing the enemy coming, and warn them, even if they don't heed your warning, their blood is not on your hands because as the watchman, you raised your voice and warned the people."

So, it doesn't worry me at all that I have not succeeded in my cause to show you what I believe is the truth, because I have confidence in the judgment that I have given the appropriate warning, and if people decide not to heed it, they do it at their own risk.[/QUOTE
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What ?

(just figured it was so good, to quote it :) )

 

[Joseph77]

They don't, because the .4% poison in the food is undetectable, and the rats see the food as love eating it, not knowing that they are being poisoned. Deceived people don't know they are being deceived. No good hunter lays the traps out so the animal can see them!

Does catching mice in mouse traps count ?

When the city cut a yard next to ours, that had grass over the whole yard (an empty lot) as high as the four foot fence,
for the next week
I put three traps in plain sight againts the floorboard/wall in the kitchen,
and each night caught mice in each trap , often more than once, WITH NO BAIT - empty snap-traps (the regular old fashion mouse traps) .....

Often on another forums, someone asks an innocent question of a faithful believer they are addressing,

and others unfaithful reply, just as if in a trap, unknowingly, and provide their own words judging themselves ..... fwiw

 

[Paul Christensen]

Does catching mice in mouse traps count ?

When the city cut a yard next to ours, that had grass over the whole yard (an empty lot) as high as the four foot fence,
for the next week
I put three traps in plain sight againts the floorboard/wall in the kitchen,
and each night caught mice in each trap , often more than once, WITH NO BAIT - empty snap-traps (the regular old fashion mouse traps) .....

Often on another forums, someone asks an innocent question of a faithful believer they are addressing,

and others unfaithful reply, just as if in a trap, unknowingly, and provide their own words judging themselves ..... fwiw

The mice didn't see the trap as being something that would kill them until it was too late.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If there was anything good in you...you would simply say you do not believe in Catholicism.
The devil hates anything that is important to God. That is one of the reasons that the Moslems strap dynamite to their kids and send them out to kill Christians. You do not see Moslems messing with the Russians or Chinese. Because Israel is important to God, they hate Israel. You cannot see the devil but you can see his footprints. Those under his influence will attack the Church, they will be full of hate, judgment, and condemnation.....you.

Protestants are Catholic as well that is what they do claim in fact, because if thy do not claim to be Catholic they are of Satan.
The RCC claims to be Catholic as well.
When the RCC started Vatican II that was the work of Satan entering in after WW2 like driving a wedge in to the true RCC to turn it upside down on it's head, that was the work of the freemasons. there always was the rotten eggs in the RCC all along, starting with one who sold Jesus out, now today the same is within every Christian denomination as it always is.
You always get your rat bags in any Church and then you have the ones who just turn up for whatever reason, but it sure has noting to do with Jesus that's for sure.

Israel ? !!! Their is only one Israel and that is who serves Jesus Christ as the King of Israel ! end of story.

Anyone who claims that the State that is claiming to be called Israel, is of Satan ! that is clearly the fact of reality, one would clearly have to be an atheist to make such a claim and just go ant talk to any atheist moron down the street and they will inform you of the State Israel ? but now go and ask a true Christian what is Israel ? well you will see in the Bible for yourself that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel ! ?

So you can see there is a big gulf between them and Christians, a true Christian knows who Jesus Christ truly is in fact.

Not even the devout Jews claim that the State is truly Israel at all in fact, now they wish it truly was, but they are truly peed off that it's not Israel ! for if it was Truly Israel they would be over the moon ! it's only fools that call the State Israel and idiots and Satanist that push such nonsense.

So clearly anyone who is truly born again knows for a fact ! that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel ! and that they are in fact the Servants of Jesus Christ, not to mention that they are Israel, because an Israelite is as Jesus Christ said to Nathaniel what he truly was ? a true Israelite, in this that truly defines one ? and then Jesus explains what Nathaniel will see.

Now one can look to the Jews of today and see no resemblance of anything to do with them being Israel at all, because they reject Jesus Christ totally, so fact is that only Satanist would look to them, they will not save anyone ! they can't even save themselves because they are under a curse the poor bastards.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Only when the they come and understand that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel will they have any legitimacy at all.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Again with the scare tattics!

Every Catholic on here has heard all of these disagreements a million times. Calling their beliefs "rat poison" isn't going to change anything. Remember: Christ loves those whom do evil and does not force them to turn.

Here's a video that seems as though something is happening that is scaring the life out of someone, but things are not what they appear to me.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Here's a video that seems as though something is happening that is scaring the life out of someone, but things are not what they appear to me.

You and I are just going to disagree on evengelicsm techniques.

 

[Paul Christensen]

You and I are just going to disagree on evengelicsm techniques.

All I am asking is for you just watch the video to see what the technique actually is before you criticise it.

 

[Joseph77]

I don't think it is a good idea to try to use anything from r.comfort as if he is or was right.

Rather, state whatever is right and true, from Scripture, without trusting nor relying on the man.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I don't think it is a good idea to try to use anything from r.comfort as if he is or was right.

Rather, state whatever is right and true, from Scripture, without trusting nor relying on the man.

Why is there a conflict in your conscience when you listen to his preaching?

 

[Joseph77]

Why is there a conflict in your conscience when you listen to his preaching?

The others may have a twinge, as it seems many are hiding their religion,
but no, the man is exposed on line, for some false teaching - it may be true or false, I did not check deep, but I would not , as I posted, think it to be a good idea to try to use anything from him as if to trust or rely on him.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

All I am asking is for you just watch the video to see what the technique actually is before you criticise it.

My statement is the same.

 

[Grailhunter]

Okay. At least you are not clairvoyant, because you don't know whether I read it or not.

I know that Mary being a perpetual virgin, had no other children, and magically transported to heaven to be the Queen of Heaven are not in the Bible that I read. Perhaps you are reading a different version. The RSV, which is one of the official Catholic versions, doesn't have these things either. I do read in my Bible that worshiping statues of Mary is idolatry and therefore condemned by the 2nd of the Ten Commandments, and no idolator will enter the kingdom of heaven. Is that not in your version of the Bible?

I keep saying this but I do not think even smoke signals or Morse Code will work....
1. Christian do not get their morale code from the 613 Laws of Moses.
2. Most Christians do not even know the 613 Laws of Moses. What they call the ten commandments are only part of it.
3. Both the OT and NT indicate it is a great sin to dissect the Law and follow some and cast the others out.
4. If you break one of them, you break them all.
5. Christ explained trying to merge Christianity with Judaism would ruin them both.
6. Paul's ministry was dogged by Jews who wanted to bring the Law and Judaism into Christianity.
7. Paul's spoke throughout his ministry about Christians not following the Law.
8. He finally put a curse on those that that tried to bring the Law into Christianity....You have been severed from
Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.
9. The first council of Jerusalem, that the apostles attended addressed this very issue and the ruling agreed with Paul.
10. There is no salvation in the OT, Christ teaching are superior to anything in the OT.

Now the class on idolatry and idols.....first assignment....look up the definition of these things.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The others may have a twinge, as it seems many are hiding their religion,
but no, the man is exposed on line, for some false teaching - it may be true or false, I did not check deep, but I would not , as I posted, think it to be a good idea to try to use anything from him as if to trust or rely on him.

I've watched a great number of his videos and I see no false teaching in what he says at all.

What false teaching are you referring to, and can you insert a video of him giving it?