True believer?

[DPMartin]

I’m not prompting islam here so don’t get your panties in a wad. The following statement is I do believe a quote from Mahammad the profit of islam.

“No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself.”

I don’t consider this some great statement of a man of God, far from it, if you give it some thought though, even the devil would operate with this notion. Its true like as in you need 12 inches to make a foot.

And its true in all cases even drinking buddies treat each other with a sense of brotherhood wanting for the other what they want for themselves. So the statement isn’t religion exclusive.

But, there’s always a but, considering what is considered “love” as in brotherly love in Christianity, how did Jesus do this? Seeing Jesus is a true believer without question.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is a tendency in unbelievers to hate professing Christians (see John 15:18-25, 1 John 3:13-14).

Therefore for someone to love a Christian is a sign that they are a Christian themselves.

Whereas Christians love their enemies as well as those of their own fellowship (see Matthew 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-36); people of the world tend to love only those of their own fellowship and live in hatred of those who follow Christ.

Those who do not hate Christians very likely don't because they themselves have a measure of faith in Christ (see 1 John 3:14).

You are not generally going to see unbelievers loving believers unless they have been loved on by them first (for Jesus said that even publicans and sinners love those who love them). There is still going to be a level of animosity in an unbeliever even when that unbeliever has been helped by the believer in question. We carry the aroma of Christ (2 Corinthians 2:14-16) and that aroma is stinky to those who do not have faith in Jesus; while it is pleasant to those who do.

 

[Episkopos]

I’m not prompting islam here so don’t get your panties in a wad. The following statement is I do believe a quote from Mahammad the profit of islam.

“No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself.”

I don’t consider this some great statement of a man of God, far from it, if you give it some thought though, even the devil would operate with this notion. Its true like as in you need 12 inches to make a foot.

And its true in all cases even drinking buddies treat each other with a sense of brotherhood wanting for the other what they want for themselves. So the statement isn’t religion exclusive.

But, there’s always a but, considering what is considered “love” as in brotherly love in Christianity, how did Jesus do this? Seeing Jesus is a true believer without question.

We are to get along with people from every faith...based on our common humanity and with the idea of a common righteousness...loving your neighbour as yourself. This is quite apart from what people believe in. This is about our real personhood in this world.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm not sure that we can faithfully get along with Muslims if or when they are seeking to implement sharia law; which has among its tenets that if anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, that they are to be beheaded.

Nevertheless the scripture stands true:

1Jo 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

And therefore it is a basic tenet of the Muslim religion to prevent a man from being indwelt by God through satan's tactic of fear.

We cannot be in agreement with such an ideology; we must fight it tooth and nail.

While we can treat Muslims with the love of Jesus Christ (without compromising our faith by going over to theirs); since Christ Himself commanded us to love our enemies.

 

[Enoch111]

“No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself.”

If you are quoting Mohammad, then this is stated in the context of Islam (where the brother is a Muslim). But Christians and Jews are regarded as INFIDELS by Muslims. And the Koran says that their ultimate destiny is Hell.

So if you wish to address the matter of Christian true believers then you should go to the first epistle of John. John lays out in detail the marks of true believers.

 

[Enoch111]

We cannot be in agreement with such an ideology; we must fight it tooth and nail.

Islam was a religion created specifically to oppose Christianity and the Gospel. Mohammad was fully cognizant of both the Old and New Testaments.

 

[mjrhealth]

“No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself.”

Something to do with, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

 

[DPMartin]

There is a tendency in unbelievers to hate professing Christians (see John 15:18-25, 1 John 3:13-14).

Therefore for someone to love a Christian is a sign that they are a Christian themselves.

Whereas Christians love their enemies as well as those of their own fellowship (see Matthew 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-36); people of the world tend to love only those of their own fellowship and live in hatred of those who follow Christ.

Those who do not hate Christians very likely don't because they themselves have a measure of faith in Christ (see 1 John 3:14).

You are not generally going to see unbelievers loving believers unless they have been loved on by them first (for Jesus said that even publicans and sinners love those who love them). There is still going to be a level of animosity in an unbeliever even when that unbeliever has been helped by the believer in question. We carry the aroma of Christ (2 Corinthians 2:14-16) and that aroma is stinky to those who do not have faith in Jesus; while it is pleasant to those who do.

you don't seem to get the point anyone can love anything for any reason and in the statement the word love isn't mentioned. the subject is "true believer" not unbeliever.

 

[DPMartin]

We are to get along with people from every faith...based on our common humanity and with the idea of a common righteousness...loving your neighbour as yourself. This is quite apart from what people believe in. This is about our real personhood in this world.

no it ain't, your words are secular and a secular interpretation of love thy neighbor. for example if one is in Heaven and the other is not, in God's view are they neighbors?

 

[DPMartin]

If you are quoting Mohammad, then this is stated in the context of Islam (where the brother is a Muslim). But Christians and Jews are regarded as INFIDELS by Muslims. And the Koran says that their ultimate destiny is Hell.

So if you wish to address the matter of Christian true believers then you should go to the first epistle of John. John lays out in detail the marks of true believers.

you didn't read the posting did you Enoch1111111111111111

from post #1:
I’m not prompting islam here so don’t get your panties in a wad. The following statement is I do believe a quote from Mahammad the profit of islam. I don’t consider this some great statement of a man of God, far from it, if you give it some thought though, even the devil would operate with this notion. Its true like as in you need 12 inches to make a foot.

 

[Episkopos]

no it ain't, your words are secular and a secular interpretation of love thy neighbor. for example if one is in Heaven and the other is not, in God's view are they neighbors?

Yes. I'm not secular....you are just religious. Love your neighbour is the person next to you. The next person you meet. Learn from Jesus who taught that a man of a hated religion...a Samaritan...was compassionate and treated a Jew as his own neighbour...treated him as himself.

In Hebrew the word for neighbour is "reah" which when you break it down into the letters means....the first person you see. That's who you love.

So I fear that you are not following Jesus but a religion that is more in line with the religious scribes and Pharisees.

God is love. God is NOT religious. People are. And these are to receive the greatest of all condemnations.

 

[bbyrd009]

There is a tendency in unbelievers to hate professing Christians (see John 15:18-25, 1 John 3:13-14).

Therefore for someone to love a Christian is a sign that they are a Christian themselves.

Whereas Christians love their enemies as well as those of their own fellowship (see Matthew 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-36); people of the world tend to love only those of their own fellowship and live in hatred of those who follow Christ.

Those who do not hate Christians very likely don't because they themselves have a measure of faith in Christ (see 1 John 3:14).

You are not generally going to see unbelievers loving believers unless they have been loved on by them first (for Jesus said that even publicans and sinners love those who love them). There is still going to be a level of animosity in an unbeliever even when that unbeliever has been helped by the believer in question. We carry the aroma of Christ (2 Corinthians 2:14-16) and that aroma is stinky to those who do not have faith in Jesus; while it is pleasant to those who do.

lol
gee, i wonder why Chrsitians are so easily detested, huh?

I'm not sure that we can faithfully get along with Muslims if or when they are seeking to implement sharia law; which has among its tenets that if anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, that they are to be beheaded.

Nevertheless the scripture stands true:

1Jo 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

And therefore it is a basic tenet of the Muslim religion to prevent a man from being indwelt by God through satan's tactic of fear.

We cannot be in agreement with such an ideology; we must fight it tooth and nail.

While we can treat Muslims with the love of Jesus Christ (without compromising our faith by going over to theirs); since Christ Himself commanded us to love our enemies.

the Qur'an advises, in many, many places, to follow Christ or be doomed
fwiw

 

[DNB]

I don’t consider this some great statement of a man of God, far from it, if you give it some thought though, even the devil would operate with this notion. Its true like as in you need 12 inches to make a foot.

If I gave this some thought, no, I don't believe that the devil would operate within that notion. One thing that you don't understand about depraved people, is that they only use people who agree with them, they never love them. satan, like Judas Iscariot, like Nero, like Hitler, like Genghis Khan, Mussolini, or any other megalomaniac or anti-christ throughout history, will eradicate anyone who opposes them, regardless of how buddy-buddy they were, once upon a time. Their affection is entirely feigned and opportunistic, or completely misguided.
You were joking, right?

Jesus loved God first and foremost. That includes his will and purpose. Therefore, Jesus will love anyone that conformed to God's will, just for the sake of the Father. Loving God first always leads to his glory, therefore, it's much easier to love God's creation if you have your priorities in order. For a drinking buddy can get along with his side-kick, but still not love God, ...for, then in time, when trouble or disagreement arises, you will see the depth of his love, i.e. very shallow and convenient.
Jesus loved God first, as we all must have this priority first. And loving God includes himself, as far as his glorious attributes are concerned, plus his Word, his divine will and purpose for man, ...despite the ugliness that may be evident as his Word unfolds.

 

[justbyfaith]

the Qur'an advises, in many, many places, to follow Christ or be doomed
fwiw

What is the surah # for that?