The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

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WRONG.

Funny.
Your own words reveal, it is you who is wrong and contradicts yourself!

First of all - Heb 2:17 absolutely says that Jesus was made like us -

Heb 2:17
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers IN EVERY RESPECT, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

BOL ~ LIKE "US".
BOL ~ LIKE "his brothers".

Jesus' BRETHREN were JEWS!

BOL, YOU are NOT a JEW!

1 Tim. 2:5

goes even further - calling Him "HUMAN" (Anthropos).

Jesus was called a man, So what?

Jesus was manifested in the LIKENESS AS A MAN.....

Obviously you are UNAWARE, God also created Animals.

Obviously you are UNAWARE, men a little brighter than you, absolutely DISTINGUISHED Jesus' manifestation AS A MAN...and NOT an Animal!

Secondly - only Adam was made out of dust.
The rest of us are made from our father's seed and mother's egg. The Bible speaks FIGURATIVELY about is being made from dust.
The Bible teaches us is the literal sense - as well as the figurative sense. You haven't figured that out yet??

ALL HUMANS are procreated from SEEDS.
(Already told you and showed you that.)

ALL HUMANS are "FORMED" IN A HUMAN Female BODY, (womb) BY GOD.
(Already told you and showed you that.)

ALL HUMAN BODIES "ARE" MADE, FROM the SAME ELEMENTS OF the EARTH.
(Already told you and showed you that.)

And ALL HUMAN BODYS "ARE" MAINTAINED IN their "NATURAL" LIFE, BY and FROM ELEMENTS "out" of the Earth!
(Already told you and showed you that.)

YES, I am quite aware you have FALLEN FOR, man-made gobbledegook.

Your Worldly teaching of "LITERAL" and "FIGURATIVE".

Also TOLD YOU, there are THINGS God CAN NOT DO....for example GOD CAN NOT LIE.

You regularly CHANGE scripture and claim your CHANGING IS TRUE.

You regularly DISMISS Gods WORD and claim it was "figurative" NOT LITERAL.

Let me tell you something pal...
JESUS IS THE TRUTH.
EVERY WORD UTTERED OUT OF THE MOUTH OF JESUS IS TRUTH...

Not your cockamamie "literal" and "figurative" nonsense.

YOU have to resort to man-made, "literal" and "figurative" nonsense....
BECAUSE as you have proven with your own words...
YOU DO NOT GRASP...there ARE TWO meanings and UNDERSTANDINGS of Scripture.

ONE meaning and understanding...is that which ANY man (with or WITHOUT God) can CARNALLY understand.

And the OTHER meaning and understanding... is that which IS Gods SPIRITUAL meaning and understanding....WHICH IS "RESERVED" EXCLUSIVELY for:
HOLY ANGELS (with God)
HOLY MEN (with God)

YOU repeatedly ARGUE with YOUR Carnal Understanding....AGAINST....Spiritual Understanding....

And the REASON IS...Because YOU DO NOT Possess BOTH.

You really SHOULD be more concerned about TRYING to GAIN Gods Spiritual Understanding....

Instead of relying on your CARNAL MIND and pretending Scripture is some sort of Game that you play and think you have WON a contest, with your insignificant announcements of "game, set, match".

You have WON nothing.

Rom 8
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:

Glory to God,
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[BreadOfLife]

You are the one who said God could USURP His own Word...
That is a contradiction. Your accusation is not what I say, but rather what you say.

Actually - that's not what I said.
Post # please . . .

Already told you and showed you.
Human and Animal male seeds fertalize it's own KIND of Human and animal female seeds, to cause reproduction of its SAME KIND of thing.
Gods SEED does not fertalize a Humans seed, or an Animals seed.

Humans and Animals are not the SAME KIND of things.
Humans and God are not the SAME KIND of things.
Animals and God are not the SAME KIND of things.

God Does NOT Can NOT reproduce His KIND of thing.
The TRUTH is NOT complicated...less you spend all your efforts trying to rewrite the truth.

God can produce a human being from a man's seed and a woman's egg - or from a lump of clay - of from a rock.
He can do WHATEVER He wills - regardless of your attempts to limit Him.

YOUR little god is pathetic.
MY God - the God of Scripture - is ALMIGHTY.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Funny.
Your own words reveal, it is you who is wrong and contradicts yourself!

Heb 2:17
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers IN EVERY RESPECT, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Jesus' BRETHREN were JEWS!

BOL, YOU are NOT a JEW!

Jesus was called a man, So what?

Jesus was manifested in the LIKENESS AS A MAN.....

Obviously you are UNAWARE, God also created Animals.

Obviously you are UNAWARE, men a little brighter than you, absolutely DISTINGUISHED Jesus' manifestation AS A MAN...and NOT an Animal!

ALL HUMANS are procreated from SEEDS.
(Already told you and showed you that.)

ALL HUMANS are "FORMED" IN A HUMAN Female BODY, (womb) BY GOD.
(Already told you and showed you that.)

ALL HUMAN BODIES "ARE" MADE, FROM the SAME ELEMENTS OF the EARTH.
(Already told you and showed you that.)

And ALL HUMAN BODYS "ARE" MAINTAINED IN their "NATURAL" LIFE, BY and FROM ELEMENTS "out" of the Earth!
(Already told you and showed you that.)

YES, I am quite aware you have FALLEN FOR, man-made gobbledegook.

Your Worldly teaching of "LITERAL" and "FIGURATIVE".

Also TOLD YOU, there are THINGS God CAN NOT DO....for example GOD CAN NOT LIE.

You regularly CHANGE scripture and claim your CHANGING IS TRUE.

You regularly DISMISS Gods WORD and claim it was "figurative" NOT LITERAL.

Let me tell you something pal...
JESUS IS THE TRUTH.
EVERY WORD UTTERED OUT OF THE MOUTH OF JESUS IS TRUTH...

Not your cockamamie "literal" and "figurative" nonsense.

YOU have to resort to man-made, "literal" and "figurative" nonsense....
BECAUSE as you have proven with your own words...
YOU DO NOT GRASP...there ARE TWO meanings and UNDERSTANDINGS of Scripture.

ONE meaning and understanding...is that which ANY man (with or WITHOUT God) can CARNALLY understand.

And the OTHER meaning and understanding... is that which IS Gods SPIRITUAL meaning and understanding....WHICH IS "RESERVED" EXCLUSIVELY for:
HOLY ANGELS (with God)
HOLY MEN (with God)

YOU repeatedly ARGUE with YOUR Carnal Understanding....AGAINST....Spiritual Understanding....

And the REASON IS...Because YOU DO NOT Possess BOTH.

You really SHOULD be more concerned about TRYING to GAIN Gods Spiritual Understanding....

Instead of relying on your CARNAL MIND and pretending Scripture is some sort of Game that you play and think you have WON a contest, with your insignificant announcements of "game, set, match".

You have WON nothing.

Rom 8
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:

Glory to God,
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Your usual verbose nonsense that dances around the the ONE immutable fact:
1 Tim. 2:5 calls Jesus a HUMAN (Anthropos).

There is NOTHING you can do about this but dance . . ..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Because the Bible teaches us that God is spirit. John4:24

And it also teaches us that God is Human (Heb. 2:17, 1 Tim. 2:5).
We do NOT err when we say God is BOTH.

If you say He's not - you are in heresy.

 

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He can do WHATEVER He wills - regardless of your attempts to limit Him.

LOL ~ the point is GOD LIMITS HIMSELF...
And I recognize it and you don't!

 

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Your usual verbose nonsense that dances around the the ONE immutable fact:
1 Tim. 2:5 calls Jesus a HUMAN (Anthropos).

There is NOTHING you can do about this but dance . . ..

Jesus' disciple FIRST SAW Jesus as a man...

Shocking!! LOL.

Jesus was sent to earth in the LIKENESS AS A MAN.

Funny how you are hounding on men calling Jesus a man....He was SUPPOSED to LOOK LIKE a man....and be SEEN (BY HUMAN MEN) in the LIKENESS, AS A MAN...

What do you think LIKE means?

Duh! LOL

 

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God is Human.

If you say He's not - you are in heresy.

BOL ~ Post # 2304... God IS HUMAN.

God IS SPIRIT. John 4:24

God DOES NOT Change. Mal 3:6

BOL ~ Post 2269... WHO

told you that the ONLY way to create a human being was by a man's seed and a woman's egg?? You don't "think God had the power to USURP" this usual method??

God Can NOT LIE. Heb 6:18

What utter nonsense... God does not use His Power to USURP His own WILL...

Jesus

taught us that with God - NOTHING is impossible (Matt. 19:26).

Matt 19:26 IN CONTEXT...TAUGHT;
It is NOT IMPOSSBLE for A Human man "WITH" God to be SAVED!

Matt 19:
[25] ... WHO then can be saved?
[26] But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, (men) With men this is impossible; BUT (men) with God all things are possible.

Nothing new...
Your teaching is Still twisted and corrupt.

 

[reformed1689]

God IS SPIRIT. John 4:24

God DOES NOT Change. Mal 3:6

And the Word, who is God, BECAME FLESH.

 

[brakelite]

And it also teaches us that God is Human (Heb. 2:17, 1 Tim. 2:5).
We do NOT err when we say God is BOTH.

If you say He's not - you are in heresy.

So which God is human BoL? God the Father? God the Son? God the holy Spirit? Or God the Trinity?

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL ~ the point is GOD LIMITS HIMSELF...
And I recognize it and you don't!

God limits Himself???

I actually had to read this nonsense twice . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus' disciple FIRST SAW Jesus as a man...

Shocking!! LOL.

Jesus was sent to earth in the LIKENESS AS A MAN.

Funny how you are hounding on men calling Jesus a man....He was SUPPOSED to LOOK LIKE a man....and be SEEN (BY HUMAN MEN) in the LIKENESS, AS A MAN...

What do you think LIKE means?

Duh! LOL

1 Tim. 2:5 doesn't say ANYTHING about being "like" a human.
It says plainly that Jesus IS human.

Refute that, Einstein. . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So which God is human BoL? God the Father? God the Son? God the holy Spirit? Or God the Trinity?

HUH??
Are you serious??

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the SAME God.
I had NO idea that SDAs were NOT Trinitarians - or you would understand this.

The Son is FULLY God and FULLY Human.
If you don't accept this Biblical reality - you are NOT a Christian and have invented a different "christ" than the Christ of Scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

God IS SPIRIT. John 4:24
God DOES NOT Change. Mal 3:6
God Can NOT LIE. Heb 6:18
What utter nonsense... God does not use His Power to USURP His own WILL...
Matt 19:26 IN CONTEXT...TAUGHT;
It is NOT IMPOSSBLE for A Human man "WITH" God to be SAVED!
Matt 19:
[25] ... WHO then can be saved?
[26] But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, (men) With men this is impossible; BUT (men) with God all things are possible.
Nothing new...
Your teaching is Still twisted and corrupt.

And WHO said God wasn't Spirit??
He IS.

YOU and I are spirit.
We are ALSO flesh. We are Human.

God is Spirit.
He is also flesh. He (the Son) is Human (Anthropos - 1 Tim. 2:5).

Show me where the Bible says that God is ONLY Spirit, because I may have missed that.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

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And the Word, who is God, BECAME FLESH.

Yes. And scripture further reveals what His Flesh was LIKE, and LIKE is a Similitude.

 

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God limits Himself???

I actually had to read this nonsense twice . .

Your LACK of understanding reveals much About You.

Yes God Limits Himself...
And a corrupt man ... WITH GOD....Has the possibility of Limiting hisself!

God CAN NOT LIE.
God CAN NOT BE UNHOLY.

Matt 19:26
A human man .... WITH GOD ...CAN overcome being a LIAR, overcome being UNHOLY.

And YOU think that is nonsense...

Wow!

 

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1 Tim. 2:5 doesn't say ANYTHING about being "like" a human.
It says plainly that Jesus IS human.

Refute that, Einstein. . .

I do not refute Gods TRUTH.

God Does NOT CHANGE.
God IS NOT his own Created Human!

As you have been TOLD "BEFORE"
I REJECT "your" truth and teaching!

1 Tim 2:5
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Greek/English

εις
one

γαρ
for

θεος
God

εις
one

και
and

μεσιτης
mediator

θεου
of God

και
and

ανθρωπων
of men

ανθρωπος
man

χριστος
Christ

ιησους
Jesus

You do NOT comprehend Scripture Already Established God was Manifested IN the "LIKENESS" of men.

You are LIKE a little boy who has to be RETOLD in every verse....now do not forget, Scripture Already Established, Gods Word was Established in the LIKENESS of men.

Now go Learn that LIKENESS is a SIMILITUDE, NOT an Exact SAMENESS!

God Came from Heaven TO Earth, in the "LIKENESS" of human men.

God Came to TEACH "ignorant men", such as yourself, How To become in Gods "LIKENESS".

God does NOT CHANGE.
God Can Not Ever BE A Human man.
And
You Can Not Ever BE God.

But YOU, "WITH" God, could change and BE "LIKE" God...

You are a SELF-appointed teacher of a LONG Historical Corrupt teaching of Gentile men who Called Themselves Catholic.

You teach "THEIR DOCTRINE", of what THEY have taught you.

You teach God "IS" God the Creator "AND" God the Created...which "IS" complete opposites and absurd!

And FROM "THEIR DOCTRINE" that Begins with a LIE... Everything else you teach IS BASED on that Lie.

Gods Word teaches...
God IS Spirit.
God DOES NOT CHANGE.
God Came TO EARTH in the LIKENESS AS A man in a FLESH BODY, Prepared of God, that Jesus TOOK UPON ..... Himself.

It is more than OBVIOUS, You are satisfied with a Doctrine you have been Taught of Gentile Men, and NEVER Accepted The Doctrine the Word of God Teaches.

You Teach your Corrupt Doctrine, and when other men DO NOT fall for YOUR DOCTRINE...
You simply call yourself Right, and others Wrong, and proclaim YOU are some sort of Winner.

Dude YOU HAVE WON NOTHING.
You are TEACHING the Lord God Almighty...
IS a Created Human AND God without a Beginning...and you claim that IS POSSIBLE, because God has NO Limits.

I feel sorry for you. But hey... Gods Truth IS NOT SECRET, if you should decide to seek it.

 

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And WHO said God wasn't Spirit??

No one.

YOU and I are spirit.

You really need a LESSON in communication.

Why don't you have someone teach you...
1) what LIKE means.
2) what PUTTING WORDS IN AN OTHER MOUTH means.

You Repeatedly have revealed by your posts...
You DO NOT comprehend what LIKE means.
AND
You consistently make claims for others, that they themselves have NOT claimed.

I have NeVeR met you.
I only KNOW what "YOU BELIEVE", by WHAT "YOU" claim for "YOURSELF".

You have NEVER met me.
Yet, YOU MAKE claims FOR Me, that I have NEVER myself claimed.

BY what authority do you presume yourself qualified to MAKE CLAIMS FOR ME?

YOU and I are spirit.

I have NEVER CLAIMED...^ that!

I am NOT "A" spirit.

I HAVE "A" spirit.

"IS" A spirit is one thing.
"HAVING" A spirit is another thing.

I may "HAVE" a cold, the flu, a disease...
But it does not mean, I AM, a cold, the flu, a disease.

Learn the Difference.

We are ALSO flesh. We are Human.

Flesh IS part of the A Body.
All Flesh IS Not the "SAME" kind of Flesh.
All Body's ARE Not the "SAME" kind of Body's.

My Body HAS Mankind of Flesh.
My Body IS Terrestrial, Earthly.

God is Spirit.

I have already made that claim.

He is also flesh.

No. I disagree with you.
Scripture disagrees with you.

God IS Spirit.
God PREPARED a BODY.
The BODY God Prepared, Had UNCORRUPTED FLESH and UNCORRUPTED BONE and UNCORRUPTED BLOOD.

Earthly MEN, HAVE Corrupted Flesh, corrupted bone, corrupted blood.

The BODY God Prepared Came FROM Heaven...without Corruption.
Human BODIES Come FROM Dust of the Earth....with Corruption.

He (the Son) is Human (Anthropos - 1 Tim. 2:5).

No. Disagree with you.
Human Bodies, Flesh, Blood...DO NOT Come down from Heaven.

You are a Human man, with LIMITED knowledge AND Understanding.

YOU SEE a horse, I presume you would call it a horse.
YOU SEE a dog, I presume you would call it a dog.

YOU have NEVER SEEN God, but you Proclaim...God...."IS" a HUMAN" man,
when you SHOULD FULL WELL KNOW, HUMAN MEN, Come out of the Earth....NOT OUT OF GOD IN HEAVEN!

Gods TRUTH reveals, Gods Word was MANIFESTED IN the Flesh...
Particular Flesh, (since there IS more than one KIND of flesh)...

And the FLESH Gods Word was MANIFESTED "AS" was a FAITHFUL JEWISH HUMAN MAN.

And it is obvious, by WHAT YOU CLAIM by your own words...

You do not know what;
Puttting your words in an other mouth means
Manifested means,
Like means,
Is means,
As means,
Human men are created from dust of the earth.
God is everlasting without Beginning,
God has the Power to Appear "AS" a human man, without BEING "A" human man.

Show me where the Bible says that God is ONLY Spirit, because I may have missed that.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

You have been given several Chapters and Verses. So, IF you MISSED them, it was not because you were NOT given them. It stands to reason, you did not read them, or you simply do not Trust them.

God IS SPIRIT.
...John 4:24
God DOES NOT CHANGE.
....Mal 3:6
God "IS NOT" A man
...Numb 23:19
...1 Sam 15:29
God was manifested and human men testified what they saw.
...1 John 1:2
God was manifested in the "LIKENESS" "AS" a man
...Phil 2:8
Natural Human Men have never HEARD or SEEN God.
...John 5:37
Converted Human men HAVE become IN Gods LIKENESS...
...^ THEY first Heard About the Word of God, IN THE Flesh "as" a man, but no more...they NOW KNOW the Word of God, AS HE "IS" ...Spirit.
2 Cor 5:16

You continue to Testify of what other men...not even yourself....first saw with their earthly eyes...AND Fail miserably to Testify of what a Converted man KNOWS.

Your failure is YOU have not come to the Understanding....so you testify God IS BOTH A HUMAN and GOD...

No. God IS SPIRIT, regardless of what He Appears LIKE to men.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes God Limits Himself...

YOUR pathetic little god does - NOT the Almighty God of the Bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I do not refute Gods TRUTH.
God Does NOT CHANGE.
God IS NOT his own Created Human!

Ummmmmm - from your OWN post:
ανθρωπος (Anthropos)
man (human)

χριστος
Christ

ιησους
Jesus

THANK YOU for finally agreeing that Jesus is human as well as God - just like 1 Tim. 2:5 says . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am NOT "A" spirit.
I HAVE "A" spirit.

Flesh IS part of the A Body.
All Flesh IS Not the "SAME" kind of Flesh.
All Body's ARE Not the "SAME" kind of Body's.
My Body HAS Mankind of Flesh.
My Body IS Terrestrial, Earthly.

You ARE flesh and spirit - period.

I have already made that claim.
No. I disagree with you.
God IS Spirit.
God PREPARED a BODY.
The BODY God Prepared, Had UNCORRUPTED FLESH and UNCORRUPTED BONE and UNCORRUPTED BLOOD.

Earthly MEN, HAVE Corrupted Flesh, corrupted bone, corrupted blood.

The BODY God Prepared Came FROM Heaven...without Corruption.
Human BODIES Come FROM Dust of the Earth....with Corruption.

No. Disagree with you.
Human Bodies, Flesh, Blood...DO NOT Come down from Heaven.

No - you don't disagree with ME - you disagree with the Word of God, which says explicitly that Jesus is HUMAN (1 Tim. 2:5).
You can disagree until the cows come home but you'll STILL be wrong.

By the way - you STILL haven't shown me where the Bible says that God is ONLY Spirit.
Chapter and Verse, Einstein . . .