The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

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reformed1689

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you don't recognize true bible responses unless its catholic so you best stay on the front porch you sure cant run with Big dogs ...pup
Actually on this topic he isn't giving strictly Catholic responses, it is the response of true Christianity both Catholic and Protestant. To deny the true humanity of Christ is heresy of the highest degree.

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Philip James

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To deny the true humanity of Christ is heresy of the highest degree.

Indeed. A heresy that the Church dealt with and repudiated a long long tome ago..

Docetism - Wikipedia

But with the complete breakdown in authority, that is the fruit of the reformation, all kinds of heresies long since dealt with are rearing their ugly heads...

Peace!
 

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To deny the true humanity of Christ is heresy of the highest degree.
sorry to say well not really see i never denied he was human i denied he was regular human like us.. i have yet to see regular human being raise the dead walk on water turn the water into wine feed a multitude with a small amount of bread . its hard for man to comprehend exactly how this was possible it was a God thing
 

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you don't recognize true bible responses unless its catholic so you best stay on the front porch you sure cant run with Big dogs ...pup
Gee - why don't you try posting one for a change . . .
 

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Gee, that's a "great" argument - NOT.
Just more of your typical deflective nonsense.

Consider yourself Scripturally spanked . . .

By you? LOL, you're funny.

I consider myself adhering to Scripture, and you adhering to many things that are not Scriptural,
 

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i got ocean front property for sale in ARIZ
BreadOfLife said: ↑
Unless you can explain your position, your post is worthless.

Jesus was killed in the Body He was born in. It was a normal, corruptible human body.

According to BOL, Jesus had Mary's DNA.
Catholic stuff that men make up.

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No – you consistently screw up by erroneously thinking that the King James Translation is the original language.
It is NOT.

Repeating your lie over and over is not going to change the truth.

The New Testament was written in Koine Greek. I have proven you WRONG on this point by using the original Greek text

You have on occasion brought up Greek words, and then YOU Define the words.

Guess you have not taken into account, I am not accepting of YOUR definitions. LOL

– while YOU are stuck using a translation written some 1500 years LATER (KJV), which uses transliterations as well as translations. Do you know what a “transliteration” is??

It's about spiritual understanding...not your it makes SENSE to your Carnal Mindedness.

Look it up, sparky...


Even you says things putting me in the light.
!!

As I educated you before – 1 Tim. 2:5 uses the Greek word for HUMAN to describe Jesus.

And then, YOU proclaim Jesus is LIKE YOU, LOL...Scripture doesn't. Scripture proclaimed Jesus came to earth AS A FAITHFUL JEW.

And your self-PRIDE proclaiming yourself as the Teacher and Educator is one of your best jokes yet...Not much of a teacher or educator whose claims are rejected.

Game.
Set.
MATCH . . .

Your juvenile behavior has already been noted. Totally unnecessary to keep trying to convince anyone you have not yet matured.

Glory to God,
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Gee - why don't you try posting one for a change . . .
i have numerous times but its like a ell to deep and over your head .plus all you post is insults .sooooo that shows your level of maurity..so take on the front porch pup
 

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It says he became flesh. John 1:14.

Everything God Created in the Beginning of His Creation....STILL EXISTS.

When His Creations APPEAR differently, they are called by OTHER names.

A huge bolder is called a bolder, until it is crushed and then called pebbles.

[QUOTE[ That is not appearing as flesh, that is BECOMING flesh. [/QUOTE]

You just admitted, The Word of God (Jesus) IS Spirit (before you call Him Human).

Gods Word IS God, and God IS Spirit, and DOES NOT CHANGE. God Appears, in WAYS He has designed, as a Necessary Means to communicate (an fulfill His promises) with HIS Created Humans.

When you say;
Jesus "IS" a human...you are saying,
THAT IS Jesus' original FORM...
OR
THAT Jesus CHANGED FROM Spirit to A Human.

Which then translates...
Gods Original FORM "IS" Human
OR
God Changed from Spirit "INTO" a Human.

Neither is the case.
God IS Spirit.
Jesus IS God.
God DOES NOT CHANGE.
Spirits HAVE THE POWER to "APPEAR" in the LIKENESS of MEN, thus...WOULD LOOK LIKE a man, and a man WOULD be able to SEE Him...
Since Human men CAN NOT SEE GOD...AS HE IS...(Spirit).

"IF" Jesus "IS" Human...(as you claim)...(and didn't simply APPEAR...(was manifested)...IN THE LIKENESS as a human...

Where is the TEACHING, that GOD HAS HUMAN Offspring that comes forth OUT OF God? Doesn't exist. Second clue. Jesus IS NOT a Human.
First clue. Humans are NOT spirits, and humans are the body's of men that come from dust and return to dust.

Gal. 4:4 says born of woman.

Yes. HOW and WHY?
The WORD of God IS God. Gods Word has come forth out of Gods MOUTH, EVERY time God SPOKE. Gods Mind thinks His Desire, Gods Word speaks Gods thoughts, and Gods POWER causes His Desire (WILL) to be accomplished.

Gods WORD, was "born of God", in the sense, Something LIVING (Gods Word), comes forth out from Something LIVING (God).
Thus when Gods Word came forth OUT from God, His WORD, became CALLED, the "Son of God'.

And WHERE did that "holy thing" (Gods WORD) Go, when it came forth OUT from God?

It WENT to the WOMB of a Virgin female.
WHY?
Because Her WOMB 'was' Virgin, not having been defile by intercourse OR having had received the CORRUPT sperm (seed) of a Human man.
WHY else?
Because THE LAW, needed to be FULFILLED.
WHY?
Because what had been prophesied could not come into fruition, UNTIL the Law had been fultilled.
WHAT LAW?
Mosaic Law...(Jewish Law)...Roman Law.
WHY Roman LAW?
The Jews were UNDER Roman Law, and Roman LAW, represented, MANS Governing Power on Earth, as every Nation has MANS governing LAW.

God established An Everlasting Throne, and Seated David AS KING over the Jews.
Yes, David is long dead, and his throne now unseen. However, since David's death, ANOTHER has NOT sit as the King of the Jews.

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Jesus HAD to be revealed "AS A JEW" to Fulfill Jewish Law, that ONLY a Jew could Lawfully Sit on King Davids Throne.

When the Word of God, came forth OUT from God...Because God IS NOT Human, but needed to FULFILL, Jewish Law, to Sit on King David's Throne...
Gods Word...was supernaturally SENT to Mary's Womb.
Gods Word...would remain in her Womb 9 months to fulfill the Law of Nature.
Gods Word...supernaturally "TOOK UPON HIMSELF" the "SEED" of Abraham.
WHY?
Abraham was made a Promise by God...that Abraham would be "an earthly father" of many nations.
JESUS had to be in Abraham's LAWFUL (according to Mans government Law and Jewish Law) "genealogical" Line.
WHY Abraham's LINE?
Because Scripture already revealed, Gods Promise was to Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and descending to each of Abraham's STOCK descendants WHO...were Faithful, as were, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David and soforth, to Jesus being revealed.
Thus Jesus is called having come out from the seed of David...and Entitled to Lawfully sit on King Davids everlasting throne....WHICH WILL come to pass, WHEN Jesus returns and sets up His earthly Kingdom on earth...And He will Be KING, OVER the earthly mortals remaining on earth......AND.....the immortals adopted sons of God.

And JESUS as GOD and KING over immortals had to also be fulfilled, and the teaching in scripture of Jesus coming forth Out from God, IS God....since God can NOT "literally" have offspring...HIS offspring, IS Himself, that comes forth out from Himself, and DECLARES, to call that offspring His Son.
And All Humans...THAT...also Take on the Seed of Abraham (particularly Gentiles)...they are them that also Receive the SeeD of God, and THEY...
Become adopted sons of God, and promised sons of Abraham...and thus THEY entitled,
1) to Live forever and God Be their God.
2) to Live in Jesus' earthly Kingdom, as heirs to Abrahams promised LAND, which is where Jesus' Kingdom will be situated.

Also part of prophecy that Jesus fulfilled, by BEING manifested, and appearing in the flesh...IS....that MEN, WHILE ALIVE IN "THEIR" Flesh...
1) may be forgiven all their sins
2) Freed from continuing to commit sin
3) bodily crucified, while remaining physically alive.
4) washed, cleansed, sanctified, covered in Gods light, kept with Christ, until Christ redeems them
5) forever their name remaining in God book of life.
6) their name entered into the Lamb's book of life.
7) their soul restored
8) a new heart
9) Gods Seed in their heart
10) Birth of their new spirit
11) Gods word written in their new heart
12) Gods Spirit dwelling in their new heart
13) Not subject to the Lamb's Wrath
14) Not subject to Gods Wrath.
15) Entitled to the Lord Gods comfort during trials and hardships.
16) Continous blessing and gifts from God.
17) No curse punishments
18) Promise of resurrection to eternal Life with the Lord God.
19) Power of God within them for their use to do good that Glorifies God.

That's not an appearance. Gen 3:15 says he will be the seed of woman. That's not an appearance.

Gen 3:15
[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

God has PUT enmity between:
The Devil and the woman...
And
Between the Devils SEED and her Seed.
In Sorrow SHE SHALL bring forth children.
And HER desire shall be to HER husband.
And HER husband SHALL rule OVER Her.

ALL scripture IS TRUE.
Not ALL spripture APPLIES to ALL people.
And almost ALL of the same scripture has a Carnal understanding AND a Spiritual understanding.

Even satan can read scripture, or any man can read scripture...and comprehend scripture with a Carnal understanding.
It is ONLY those WITH God and SEALED unto God, that are given spiritual understanding....thus those without spiritual understanding ONLY can conclude what Scripture means, WITH a Carnal Minded understanding...(BOL, for example).

Gen: 3:15-16 Are speaking of the WOMAN, specific EVE, and all Women, and the Devil and JESUS and God.

The WORD of God, came forth out from God, was SENT to Mary's virgin womb. That ACT had nothing to do with the WILL of man or the BLOOD of a human. But rather was effected BY the WILL of God.

John 1. (Regarding Gods WORD, revealed as the Son of God, called JESUS)
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

HUMAN men DO NOT come forth OUT from God. HUMAN come forth OUT from the dust of the created Earth.

Jesus IS SPIRIT, and UNSEEN to men IN HIS TRUE FORM...A SPIRIT.
Jesus came to EARTH...in the LIKENESS...(manifestation and appearence) "AS" a man.
NOT ALL HUMAN MEN...
"AS" specifically 'A' Jewish man.
Jewish men were HIS "BRETHREN"...NOT Gentiles.

Trying to MAKE Jesus "A" Human, means, He came to earth.......in the LIKENESS as ALL Humans...which is false.

The Gentiles TIME was not YET.
Jesus came for the LOST Jews.
Jews primarily gathered to Hear Jesus speak.
Jesus chose Jews for his disciples.
Jesus taught His Jewish disciples HOW TO teach other Jews.
Jesus sent His Jewish disciples out across the lands TO continue SEEKING Jews and TEACH "them" about Jesus.
It was later that PAUL was chosen to SEEK out Gentiles and teach "them" about God AND Jesus the Christ Messiah of the Jewish God, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Phil 2
(JESUS...HIS FORM...SPIRIT)
(JESUS equal with God)
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(JESUS arrives ON EARTH, without HIS POWER...and IS "SEEN", in the FORM (body) LIKENESS...."OF A SERVANT"...
WHY was Jesus "SEEN" in that FORM (body)
BECAUSE ... He TOOK that BODY, upon Himself.
(And WHERE did that BODY COME FROM?
It was "PREPARED" by God...
FOR WHEN Jesus would COME (out from God, in Heaven) and come INTO THIS WORLD (earth)

Heb 10
[5] Where fore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


WHO at that time WERE Servants of God?
Human Gentiles? No
ALL Jews? No
Faithful to God Jews? Yes.
So WHAT men DID Jesus APPEAR, IN THEIR LIKENESS? FAITHFUL JEWISH MEN.

[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

AND HOW did human Jewish men ... SEE Jesus? Just as God planned...they saw Jesus LOOKING JUST LIKE THEM...
Jewish features, stature, following Jewish laws, rituals, festivals, participating in Jewish Customs, Dressing like Jews, Eating foods that Jews ate....subject to Roman laws...yes..as Scripture Says...Jesus was LIKE "HIS BRETHREN" (Jews, not Gentiles) in all ways.

[8] And being found in fashion as a man....

WHY did human men CALL Jesus "a MAN" ?
BECAUSE He was manifested and Appeared on Earth...LOOKING LIKE a man.

WHY did Jesus call Himself, the Son of God?
Because He came FORTH out from God.

John 16
[27] ... I came out from God.

WHY did Jesus call Himself, the Son of Man?

Because Jesus took upon himself the seed of Abraham...a Faithful Servant of God...and Abraham IS heir to Land God promised him...which THAT LAND, is also promised to Abraham's heirs.
Rom 9:8
IF you are NOT descended from Abraham you are not entitled to occupy his Land....which BTW, is Where Jesus' earthly Kingdom shall be situated...
And Every Gentile, who has submitted in Faithfulness to God.....ALSO....LIKE Jesus did, Takes upon themselves.....the seed of Abraham..

Heb 2:16
(It is spiritual....not about taking upon themselves, Abraham's STOCK SPERM seed.)

Study the FACTS. Everything I have said IS in Scripture.

Jesus was manifested on earth, in a body prepared of God, and the Likeness of that body was Specifically LIKE men, called His Jewish Brethren.

Even BOL said...Jesus was A HUMAN, just like him (BOL).."us"...all men...

No, he wasn't.

Glory to God,
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Truly man or Truly HUMAN?
Truly Anthropos, just as it says in 1 Tim. 2:5.
Anthropos means HUMAN man. Why haven't you been able to refute this??

Once again - YOUR blunder is that you actually believe the NT was written in King James English.
It wasn't . . .
 

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By you? LOL, you're funny.

I consider myself adhering to Scripture, and you adhering to many things that are not Scriptural,
Then refute 1 Tim. 2:5, where it says that Jesus was a HUMAN (antropos).