Is Dispensationalism a valid way to interpret scripture?

[Davy]

False? I thought you were one who knew the Bible! Oh well.

2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

What even the born again of the Spirit Christian still has is free will. Even though through the baptism of the Holy Spirit we are partakers of the divine nature, it is possible to acquire a take for your own vomit. But who would want to? A true Christian does not want to grieve or quench the Spirit. They enjoy a personal relationship with God unlike no other, and believe Paul that sin will interrupt that flow and growth. It is easy to shake off temptations with Jesus holding your hand. People think it is hard to fight the flesh, something I can't understand. I don't have a taste for lakes of fire.

Peter was talking about The Holy Spirit being given us, not that we... become divine. He is speaking of God's Power working through us, not as if that was some mystic force imparted to us that makes us... divine.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I only see you as a believer on Jesus that will ever... fall short, and will continue in the law of sin in your fleshy members until you die, like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 7.

I'm familiar with the occult fraternity false teaching that we can become our 'own' Christ. It's their false idea you are pushing, because you will never, ever... be even a little Christ. Christ Consciousness is a false doctrine, even the original sin by Satan himself in wanting to be The GOD, and the sin he tempted Adam and Eve with in God's Garden.

Didn't we already discuss Romans 7 and find you were ignorant then, and you still are? You've got to do a lot more study, and then maybe mark will talk to you.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[Davy]

No I argue against sinning in the future in the first place. Those who have received the power of the Holy Spirit, know what I'm talking about, but the carnal man cannot understand as they are still in a battle with the flesh everyday. And those who are in that state will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Those in your state are the carnal ones, because if you believe you no longer sin and thus have no need to repent to Jesus of future sin, then like John said, you have made Jesus a liar...

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
KJV


You actually remind me of what those on a Pre-trib Rapture theory do. They deny Scripture where Jesus showed His coming to gather the Church is after the tribulation, simply because it doesn't fit the doctrine of man they have chosen to latch onto. In your case, you deny that 1 John 1 Scripture above is for you.

 

[Davy]

I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit on February 9, 1977 at 8:00 pm. The next day I noticed all desire to sin was gone.

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the ccorruption that is in the world through lust.

Maybe we should bow down to you! Do you sometimes use the name Jesus Christ to refer to your own self? Jesus warned that many would come saying they are Christ (Matt.24).

It is quite obvious that your mind works on a pure 'absolutist legalist' notion, like how the scribes and Pharisees thought, not having eyes to see, and ears to hear.

 

[Davy]

Didn't we already discuss Romans 7 and find you were ignorant then, and you still are? You've got to do a lot more study, and then maybe mark will talk to you.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

There it is, your denial of what Paul taught in Romans 7 that we still mess up at times because of the law in our fleshy members.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Those in your state are the carnal ones, because if you believe you no longer sin and thus have no need to repent to Jesus of future sin, then like John said, you have made Jesus a liar...

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
KJV


You actually remind me of what those on a Pre-trib Rapture theory do. They deny Scripture where Jesus showed His coming to gather the Church is after the tribulation, simply because it doesn't fit the doctrine of man they have chosen to latch onto. In your case, you deny that 1 John 1 Scripture above is for you.

I do not believe in pre-trib rapture as there are none before the second coming of Christ. Nor anything occult. Nor anything else you accuse me of. Just another blind hate-filled opinion you spew continually like the accuser of the brethren - no fruit, no love. You obviously can not correctly fathom anything about me. Everything about me either has to be a lie or is just foolishness to you. So be it. I have still tried to overlook your vileness and tried to open the Scriptures to you to no avail. You prefer to cultivate and justify your carnal flesh.

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[marks]

You might want to go over Romans 6 again, the whole Chapter and not just a couple of verses. Anyone can get up at the pulpit and just pull out the Romans 6:1-11 verses, wrongly teach that we cannot sin anymore, and discard the rest of the Chapter...

Quite the assumption to make, and kind of a conversation stopper.

"Hey! Maybe you might think about reading the rest of the Bible?" . . . as if to say.

Just doesn't seem like a friendly charaterization of me.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You might want to go over Romans 6 again, the whole Chapter and not just a couple of verses. Anyone can get up at the pulpit and just pull out the Romans 6:1-11 verses, wrongly teach that we cannot sin anymore, and discard the rest of the Chapter...

Rom 6:11-13
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
KJV

Reckon means 'suppose'. It's not meant literally. It's meant metaphorically like a state of mind. The fact that in the next 12 & 13 verses Paul is giving the command to "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body..." is proof that we can still sin, and that Paul knew it. If you don't understand this difference Paul shows there, then you've allowed your preacher to dupe you.



Afraid not. You're still in Romans 6:1-10. Romans 7 is about how we sin and cannot keep from sin no matter how hard we try! Paul even declares a law in our fleshy members at battle against a law of the inner man (i.e, of The Spirit with God's laws).

Rom 7:18-25
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV

Especially with that last phrase by Apostle Paul in red, how do we reconcile our being in Christ with that? Simple, repent and ask forgiveness when we do mess up, make corrections, then and get back to serving Christ doing His Work He gave us. It's as simple as that. Though Paul is not teaching repentance there at the end of Romans 7 as how to deal with matters of our flesh, Apostle John did in 1 John 1.




That's correct, IF............. we walk in The Spirit, that's the key. That is not about our first belief on Jesus Christ. That walk means a continuing relationship with our Heavenly Father and His Son.

Do we? Do we as Christians absolutely... always... walk by The Spirit? Be honest, do we? No! We sometimes slip up, because there is only One Who was without sin born in the flesh, our Lord Jesus. All others were concluded under sin so the Promise by Faith would be to those who believe, like Paul said in Galatians 3:22.

I recommend believing the words you read in these chapters.. That's what they mean.

It says we've been immersed into Jesus' death and burial, and walk in a new life, just like He resurrected. As a result of joining Jesus in death, we've been born again a new creation that is righteous and holy and who cannot sin.

We remain housed in the old man, the original one born of Adam's line, and he still sins. But he has no true power anymore, and so we have no obligation to do what he wants. We're to "put him off", and "put on the new". There is an old, and there is a new.

There's no 'suppose' about it. Count yourself dead. Why, Because you are.

Just like what you highlighted. In the inner man, we serve God. But the body serves sin.

The body of this death. If we serve sin with the body, that includes sinful thoughts too, right?

I'll be happy to work through Romans 6-7-8 verse by verse and show you that these things are true.

CL is right, I didn't learn this in church. I learned it from reading, and believing my Bible, and I saw how God's Word proved true in my life.

Much love!
Mark

 

[bbyrd009]

I recommend believing the words you read in these chapters.. That's what they mean.

It says we've been immersed into Jesus' death and burial, and walk in a new life, just like He resurrected. As a result of joining Jesus in death, we've been born again a new creation that is righteous and holy and who cannot sin.

We remain housed in the old man, the original one born of Adam's line, and he still sins. But he has no true power anymore, and so we have no obligation to do what he wants. We're to "put him off", and "put on the new". There is an old, and there is a new.

There's no 'suppose' about it. Count yourself dead. Why, Because you are.

Just like what you highlighted. In the inner man, we serve God. But the body serves sin.

The body of this death. If we serve sin with the body, that includes sinful thoughts too, right?

I'll be happy to work through Romans 6-7-8 verse by verse and show you that these things are true.

CL is right, I didn't learn this in church. I learned it from reading, and believing my Bible, and I saw how God's Word proved true in my life.

Much love!
Mark

marks you are a pip, lol. I got some Bible right here--the Bible you ran away from in the other thread? Ready for that yet? Bc i dont mind chasing you off this one too, k?

 

[bbyrd009]

maybe you might think about reading the rest of the Bible too, Davy?

or yall just gonna keep with the circle jerk here, cuz idc ok bro
you can both play fiddle, ok with me

 

[bbyrd009]

guess that half hour starts about right now :)

 

[bbyrd009]

QUOTE="marks, post: 594206, member: 7985"]I recommend believing the words you read in these chapters.. That's what they mean.[/QUOTE
Who told you that you were naked?
you and your sons will be here with me
no Son of Man may die for another's sins
Return to Me, and I will return to you
no one has ever gone up to heaven
there is only One Immortal

he who seeks to save his soul will lose it

 

[bbyrd009]

you think i'm ever gonna get tired of repeating Scripture? That you cant abide? Not ever going to happen, ok, just so you know. Pls make some more posts now, that cast you as teacher of what you have no clue about, pls.

Just so you know most any other "Christian" forum will lick up your Death, More Abundantly all day long, ok, you would even prolly be a hero there, get respect, everything you desire, ok. Here all you have to do is defend it, or keep running ok ladies, start another thread, move to a diff subforum, idc, but you have to leave herenow i guess huh, bc the retard is here with them Scriptures you cant see lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Peter was talking about The Holy Spirit being given us, not that we... become divine. He is speaking of God's Power working through us, not as if that was some mystic force imparted to us that makes us... divine.

so show me this power bro, put me in my place why doncha? I can import some a them posts from that other thread you ran like a little girl from, if you want another shot, i got techno-logy lol

we could see whose altar catches on fire first if you like, i'm down with that ok

 

[tzcho2]

Wow!!! You two mockers might as well call Jesus a liar, and that His death was in vain.John 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
1 John 3:55 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
cc: @tzcho2

Name calling, insult & a false allegation. Why is it this is your go to response to disagreement with your ego , to sling the most hateful accusation you could come up with?
What did I say that was so offensive to your ego? simply that some on this forum claim to not sin.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Name calling, insult & a false allegation. Why is it this is your go to response to disagreement with your ego , to sling the most hateful accusation you could come up with?
What did I say that was so offensive to your ego? simply that some on this forum claim to not sin.

What is offensive is your belief that Jesus did not accomplish what He came here to do. Actually, I don't think you even know what that was even though it was in a famous prophecy. What do you have against those whom He accomplished His goal, by not believing them and mocking them?

 

[tzcho2]

What is offensive is your belief that Jesus did not accomplish what He came here to do.

You have demonstrated in multiple ways that you sin!
In this thread alone it is evident that you just do not admit that you are sinning---to yourself or to others.
You have sinned by insulting others, name calling , making false allegations and by your pridefulness.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have demonstrated in multiple ways that you sin!
In this thread alone it is evident that you just do not admit that you are sinning---to yourself or to others.
You have sinned by insulting others, name calling , making false allegations and by your pridefulness.

You lied about the Son of God. I think I have a right to defend Him.

 

[tzcho2]

You lied about the Son of God. I think I have a right to defend Him.

Go deal with yourself. You sin and you lie about it . You are blocked.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Go deal with yourself. You sin and you lie about it . You are blocked.

Fine, you can't handle the truth anyway.

What is shocking is Enoch quotes great verses about it, but still mocks those Jesus freed. Is that a person who is forever learning, but fails to come to a knowledge of the truth?