What Do You Learn from Debate?

[illini1959]

Certainly, since it is most relative to the OP in that much debate is performed by those who should learn to be silent and listen to the Head.

One lays the foundation and another builds upon it. It was Jesus who claimed that His words were spirit while proving also not to be an actual lamb, but the Son of God, and explaining the parable nature of declaring the dark sayings of old.

Ah. Ok, yes Jesus isn't an actual lamb, nor is He a piece of bread or water. He said His words are "spirit and life."

He also established the mystery of the marriage, Him being the Bride Groom, and His church being the bride. It was Paul then who elaborate the mystery, wherein all who are able to discern the scriptures spiritually as he instructed, should know that all who are saved are female in their relationship with Christ, their Husband.

Yes, the symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the church as Bridegroom and Bride.

So then, when Paul pressed on leaving behind the elementary principles of Christ in greeting the gift of the Holy Spirit and outlining the construction of the church for this final age, he spoke to the unruly nature of men and their wife's of the time in parable, revealing the mystery spoken of regarding the bride who was to be under the headship of Christ by the Holy Spirit. Which word, if meant only for unruly women, would have been done in private, according to the established rules of conduct.

What parable? Paul's letter to the church in Corinth was to address the many issues they had as I posted above.

Thus, only those with ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches have such knowledge, while the slumbering masses join Israel in their blindness until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

None of which is my "opinion", but is easily verifiable in the scriptures, as the scriptures.

You have an unusual take on things, so maybe I need to be here a bit longer to understand your meaning on some things.

Thank you for your reply.

 

[CoreIssue]

I quote the scriptures, which are plain enough for God. Just sayin'.

Yet you seem to have a problem with me when I do. Pretty obvious who your real beef is with.

You have never quoted Scripture. Your opinion/declaration is not Scripture.

 

[ScottA]

The problem is you do believe you speak for God when you do not.

Yeah, now you are so frazzled you don't even know who you are talking to, quoting someone else while accusing me. Sheesh!

 

[CoreIssue]

Sooo much wrong here. So much error and misunderstanding. Thought I would just quote it.

Another say nothing post.

 

[illini1959]

Wrong again.

By your demand that means other woman could talk or that only married could go to church?


This time on the definition of woman.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1135 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
gunhv probably from the base of (1096)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Gune 1:776,134
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
goo-nay' Noun Feminine
Definition

1. a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow
2. a wife
   1. of a betrothed woman

I had that ready to post, too ;)

 

[marks]

I quote the scriptures, which are plain enough for God. Just sayin'.

No, you do much more than quote Scripture. But those who spoke for God didn't have any issue or difficulty affirming that they did in fact speak God's Word.

Just sayin'.

Yet you seem to have a problem with me when I do. Pretty obvious who your real beef is with.

Again, since you don't claim to speak for God, well, 'nuff said.

Much love!

 

[CoreIssue]

Ah. Ok, yes Jesus isn't an actual lamb, nor is He a piece of bread or water. He said His words are "spirit and life."



Yes, the symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the church as Bridegroom and Bride.




What parable? Paul's letter to the church in Corinth was to address the many issues they had as I posted above.



You have an unusual take on things, so maybe I need to be here a bit longer to understand your meaning on some things.

Thank you for your reply.

He always says the word of Christ is spirit, making it alive. Not spirit of the word of Christ, its meaning.

When figurative languages is used with a literal meaning, the literal meaning is understood and applies.

You caught that too. There was no parable.

If you're on long enough you'll see he holds himself up as a prophet of God.

He will give his interpretation of scriptures without ever quoting Scripture but claim he is quoting Scripture by doing so.

 

[ScottA]

One lays the foundation and another builds upon it. It was Jesus who claimed that His words were spirit while proving also not to be an actual lamb, but the Son of God, and explaining the parable nature of declaring the dark sayings of old. He also established the mystery of the marriage, Him being the Bride Groom, and His church being the bride. It was Paul then who elaborate the mystery, wherein all who are able to discern the scriptures spiritually as he instructed, should know that all who are saved are female in their relationship with Christ, their Husband. So then, when Paul pressed on leaving behind the elementary principles of Christ in greeting the gift of the Holy Spirit and outlining the construction of the church for this final age, he spoke to the unruly nature of men and their wife's of the time in parable, revealing the mystery spoken of regarding the bride who was to be under the headship of Christ by the Holy Spirit. Which word, if meant only for unruly women, would have been done in private, according to the established rules of conduct. Thus, only those with ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches have such knowledge, while the slumbering masses join Israel in their blindness until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

What parable? Paul's letter to the church in Corinth was to address the many issues they had as I posted above.

Just as Jesus is not an actual lamb, and just as He used and explained the need for understanding "all parables", referring also to the prophecy of God speaking "only" in parable to reveal the "dark sayings of old"...I was not saying that Paul referred to one of the classic parables. I was saying that he spoke "in parable", in keeping with the parable nature of God revealing such mysteries in the written word that would be misunderstood and even go unnoticed, if not "discerned spiritually." Such, are the strings of "pearls" which are the scriptures.

So, yes, "Paul's letter to the church in Corinth was to address the many issues they had"...but that is not what makes it the timeless word of God. What makes his writings the timeless word of God, is not the makings of the worldly church, but the makings of the heavenly church...which things must be "discerned spiritually."

"I tell you a mystery."

 

[ScottA]

You have never quoted Scripture. Your opinion/declaration is not Scripture.

You're starting to sound like a tattle tail.

 

[tzcho2]

Great!

Thanks for publicly vindicating me while showing yourself to be guilty of false accusations. I didn't see any comments of repentance however. Might want to do that. God takes that kind of serious.

That's what you think is vindication? You claimed you spoke as God the Father.

 

[ScottA]

No, you do much more than quote Scripture. But those who spoke for God didn't have any issue or difficulty affirming that they did in fact speak God's Word.

Just sayin'.



Again, since you don't claim to speak for God, well, 'nuff said.

Much love!

Although I have pointed out to you that I have done things according to the ways of the prophets and also of Christ, I will wait and let Him show you just how it is so. Too bad for you that you can't see it now, even when it is in black and white.

 

[ScottA]

That's what you think is vindication? You claimed you spoke as God the Father.

Why beat yourself twice? Once was enough.

 

[tzcho2]

Why beat yourself twice? Once was enough.

I'm afraid that is self-delusion.

 

[marks]

Although I have pointed out to you that I have done things according to the ways of the prophets and also of Christ, I will wait and let Him show you just how it is so.

It is not so. Plainly speaking.

It is enough.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

I just wondered why the other poster indicated (it seemed to me) that 'woman' meant something else.

The church in Corinth had many issues - lots of divisions, pride and misuse of the spiritual gifts, etc. Paul's first letter to them was to address these (and other) issues and to retain order in the church.

Aside from the women he refers to in that verse, he also instructed others on when they could speak -

1 Cor 14:27-28 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.

vs 29-30 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent.

All of this was just to maintain an orderly assembly.

Women were allowed to pray and prophesy - 1 Cor 11:5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head,...

Thank you!

Thank you for this...for it very much speaks to the problem we have here, as well as in the church as a whole.

Indeed, in the same passage, Paul also addresses tongues and interpretations. But it would be a mistake to think that these topics are in the word of God as a guide to living in the world. On the contrary, that is grossly too small. Is Jesus building His church of fleshly bodies prone to such folly? Heavens no!, No, He is building up spiritual stones, not with rules and laws written in the scriptures, new or old, but in the heart of the new spiritual man born anew of the Spirit of God. But who will speak of heavenly things if Paul speaks in words that must be discerned spiritually, and none see it for what it is?

And who has seen that Paul's comments on tongues and interpretation...is literally the answer key hidden in the text?

Truly, Israel has come under a type of blindness until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled. But it was those who were commissioned to usher in "all truth" to the ends of the earth, whom Jesus found sleeping thrice that first hour!

To which He said, and I would say to you all again, "Rise, let us be going." But when I say "Rise" after these 2000 years, I do not mean "to your feet." Heaven forbid!

 

[ScottA]

It is not so. Plainly speaking.

It is enough.

Much love!

Ah, but you [conveniently] left out this part:

Too bad for you that you can't see it now, even when it is in black and white.

...that the evidence is written here and weighed into evidence.

Repent, and be saved. I recommend it.

 

[Mayflower]

I am not sure which is worse or best, to cover up the underbelly of would-be christian activity...or turn the lights on. I think I am for counting the cockroaches.

Well, I am glad God does not see us as cockroaches. He would have most definitely squashed every single one of us.

 

[Episkopos]

I have worked in intelligence and political office.

I have dealt with people much craftier than you.

You did not use the word prophet, but you applied all the descriptives to yourself of a prophet.

And you never quote a verse, but deem yourself a prophet who can tell the meaning of the verse better than the verse itself. And the Pentecostal touch not my anointed threat.

You have been called out.

Flunked out of charm school though...

 

[CoreIssue]

Flunked out of charm school though...

Too easy. No comment.

 

[illini1959]

I have seen the same thing Scott has seen on this, So I am willing to take a stab at it.

You remember when Jesus said, the words I give you, they are spirit?

And do you also remember reading that the word is Spirit because God is Spirit?

And do you remember when the apostle said do not refuse food to the beast treading out the grain? He tied it to men who teach being worthy of their pay (to eat.) And then he said, you don't suppose God was really talking about oxen there do you? So the apostle was giving understanding of the spirit of the word.

Now, is what Paul said scripture? If it is, then it is spirit also. So...you don't suppose he was talking of husbands and wives, do you? How so if he also said there (for us) is no more male or female?

Thank you.

Do I understand correctly that if you think all scripture is spirit, none of it is to be taken literally? Please correct me if I've got that wrong.

As far as there being 'no more male or female' do you mean from Galatians 3:28? Does that mean there is also no more Jew or Greek, slave nor free? This verse just means "for you are all one in Christ Jesus" as the rest of the same verse says.

I appreciate your explanation ~