Should I be rebaptised?

[bbyrd009]

It is brutal & arrogant as Rome has always been, and it has always been the persecutor of the true church of Christ.

well so you say, but it must serve God at least right now or it would already be gone i guess right.
See I think the malfunction there lies in the use of "true," which no offense but you are not qualified to determine? Why am I getting tagged for that post btw lol, lemme see...well, i guess you have a way to secretly tag ppl? Notify them iow? I refreshed and everything, still there, hmm

anyway perceiving "Rome" in a vacuum is maybe not a too good idea either, the Vatican is a proud member of a Trinity that includes all of Washington District of Columbia--which is not incorporated into the United States at all--and a section of London--which is not part of England at all--and they even have their own flag and everything?

So I mean don't get me wrong I guess they are certainly passing away, being of the world, but the point is maybe that they are married, and will take their lovers with them when they go

 

[tzcho2]

well so you say, but it must serve God at least right now or it would already be gone i guess right.
See I think the malfunction there lies in the use of "true," which no offense but you are not qualified to determine? Why am I getting tagged for that post btw lol, lemme see...well, i guess you have a way to secretly tag ppl? Notify them iow? I refreshed and everything, still there, hmm

The Bible explains it , this is a FALLEN world and it will be dealt with , shortly. The scripture tells us God is faithful and longsuffering towards us, HE wants all to be saved , that includes the RCC & all those under it's jurisdiction.
For real, fully come to Jesus, bbyrd009 and you will gain a clearer understanding of scriptures.

 

[bbyrd009]

The Bible explains it , this is a FALLEN world and it will be dealt with , shortly. The scripture tells us God is faithful and longsuffering towards us, HE wants all to be saved , that includes the RCC & all those under it's jurisdiction.
For real, fully come to Jesus, bbyrd009 and you will gain a clearer understanding of scriptures.

ok, ty

 

[BreadOfLife]

I particularly have to note the misuse of "prepetually splintering" there BoL, like that is a bad thing. Seems bad to you maybe, but every mountain will be leveled, every valley filled. So I mean keep saying that if you like, but you might see it will be taken for...well, what it is, a put down, the way you are using it, ok.

Christ is not splintered and neither should His BODY be splintered.
He prayed that His Body remain ONE as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your version is completely the opposite of Jesus teaching on taking the log out of your own eye before trying to remove a tiny speck from someone else's.

I'm not trying to "remove" a splinter in ANYBODY'S eye.
I said that Protestantism is splintered to the tune of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL teach that the Holy Spirit "led" them to this confusion.

Christ is not splintered and neither should His BODY be splintered.
He prayed that His Body remain ONE as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

If you're going to scold me - make sure you get your facts straight . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic Church is the universal Church of Jesus Christ. Of which I am a part. It is composed of believers of any denomination, even the Roman one. Yes, the Roman Church is but a denomination of the Christian faith. But it seeks to rule over the entire Church of Jesus Christ.

All so called 'splinter groups' are the result of Rome's insistence for all to obey her authority. The Reformation didn't start it. Rome starts it. Just as she did with the split from the Eastern Church. The Eastern Orthodox would not have the Roman Pontiff ruling over them. So, the Roman Pontiff excommunicated the Eastern Church. That was 11 century I believe. Some 500 years before the Reformation.

I would rather have the many denominations then be under the heel of the Roman Pontiff. And what do you think about the Pope kissing the feet of the African political leader this past week. Made me sick. Made me glad I wasn't under his authority.

Stranger

No - you're a renegade from Christ's Church.
The Catholic Church is the Original Tree from which Protestantism splintered.

You'll never be a Catholic until you learn that you must submit to His Church because in doing so - you submit to HIM. CHRIST said that - not me (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23) . . .

As for the Pope kissing the feet of the African leaders - what a beautiful sign of peace and humility.
I'm not surprised at ALL that this gesture was wasted on YOU . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

But the Trinity, Incarnation are in the Scriptures. Infant Baptism is not. I have the Bible in my hand.

Infant dedications do not baptize and make one saved. Your tradition of infant baptism does. An altar call is not required. If it is done, it is the decision of the individual church or pastor.

Accepting Christ as Lord and Saviour is a legitimate statement. (John 1:12) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. "

Salvation is by faith alone. Scripture is to be our only authority.

Stranger

Really??

Show me where the word "Trinity" is in the Bible. While you're at it - show me where "Incarnation" is found.
CHAPTER and VERSE, please . . .

Also - you failed to find a verse that even comes CLOSE to stating that we must "Accept Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior".

As for "Altar calls" not being required - WHY do Protestants constantly claim that they were "saved" during an Altar Call?? Do you even HAVE altars?? NO.

As for Sola Fide - the ONLY place in ALL of Scripture where "Faith alone" is found is in James 2:24 where it says explicitly:
You see that a person is justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

This is why your Protestant Father Martin Luther hated the Epistle of James and called it, "The Epistle of Straw" because of its teachings on the necessity of works.

Fail after fail after fail . . .

 

[tzcho2]

I'm not trying to "remove" a splinter in ANYBODY'S eye.
I said that Protestantism is splintered to the tune of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL teach that the Holy Spirit "led" them to this confusion.
Christ is not splintered and neither should His BODY be splintered.
He prayed that His Body remain ONE as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).
If you're going to scold me - make sure you get your facts straight . . .

You have no facts and nothing straight big guy. You're just kind of a religious mess actually, held captive by the rcc.
The ignorance you possess on the subject of Protestant denominations is only exceeded by your ignorance in rightfully dividing the word of TRUTH. Only Jesus can forgive sins & turn away the Just punishment of the Most Holy God; not the Pope, not rc doctrines, not rc false sprinkling baptism, nor submersion baptism, not paying or attending a Mass, not rosary beads, not prayers for the dead, not prayers to Mary, not donations to Rcc, not confessions to the Priest etc.., not praying to dead people or by a card that touched the bones of dead Rc people.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have no facts and nothing straight big guy. You're just kind of a religious mess actually, held captive by the rcc.
The ignorance you possess on the subject of Protestant denominations is only exceeded by your ignorance in rightfully dividing the word of TRUTH. Only Jesus can forgive sins & turn away the Just punishment of the Most Holy God; not the Pope, not rc doctrines, not rc false sprinkling baptism, nor submersion baptism, not paying or attending a Mass, not rosary beads, not prayers for the dead, not prayers to Mary, not donations to Rcc, not confessions to the Priest etc.., not praying to dead people or by a card that touched the bones of dead Rc people.....

And yet again, you show the depth of your ignorance regarding ALL things Catholic.

NOWHERE does the Catholic Church believe or teach that our sins are forgiven by attending Mass. praying the Rosary, praying for the dead, praying to Mary, giving donations, believing in Catholic doctrines, relics or even asking the Pope.

The Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught - and taught the WORLD, by the way - that our sins are forgiven by the blood of Christ and our repentance. Without our repentance, even his blood doesn't forgive our sins.

So, you've been spoon-fed a WHOLE LOT of garbage that you've willingly swallowed without doing your homework . . .

 

[tzcho2]

And yet again, you show the depth of your ignorance regarding ALL things Catholic.
NOWHERE does the Catholic Church believe or teach that our sins are forgiven by attending Mass. praying the Rosary, praying for the dead, praying to Mary, giving donations, believing in Catholic doctrines, relics or even asking the Pope.
The Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught - and taught the WORLD, by the way - that our sins are forgiven by the blood of Christ and our repentance. Without our repentance, even his blood doesn't forgive our sins.So, you've been spoon-fed a WHOLE LOT of garbage that you've willingly swallowed without doing your homework . . .

More rc bs. It's all deceptive lies within the rcc, claiming one thing while the facts tell a different story. Why is there belief in souls in purgatory, if the Blood of Jesus forgives all the sins? and there is no need for doing "good works" , for attending Masses , paying for Mass etc etc..to get into heaven. Once again you talking utter nonsense, & deceiving for the rcc.
Btw, no one has spoon fed me anything, so you're wrong again, my church does not say anything about the rcc. I know it firsthand, half my family under the religious spell of the RCC. I've been to almost a dozen RC funerals for family & friends. I've heard the teachings while siting in a pew. Witnessing the rcc's heretical & blasphemous teachings first hand & read from their own sources their false doctrines & misrepresentation of the word of God & Christ's church-- so you lose again.

 

[bbyrd009]

Christ is not splintered and neither should His BODY be splintered.
He prayed that His Body remain ONE as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

ok then, how about those "perpetually splintering" Catholics?
that's different somehow?

See, every mountain will be leveled and every valley filled regardless of our opinions, BoL, and it is going to turn out that you are in fact not the arbiter of everyone else's understanding, regardless of the legend you have made of yourself bro. Are you determined to die as the Poster Boy for declaring themselves wise, they became fools? Then keep talking like you know something, ok with me ok, imo you are the very best testimony against Catholicism one could hope for, we couldn't pay someone to come here and do what you are doing. And I like Catholics:)

 

[bbyrd009]

Without our repentance, even his blood doesn't forgive our sins.

you are not even trying to get a clue I guess, you are just making it up as you go huh

1 John 2:2 Lexicon: and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

and your pagan penance is satanic too!
Have a good aft ok, I'll leave you the last word
as if I had a choice anyway

 

[tzcho2]

you are not even trying to get a clue I guess, you are just making it up as you go huh
1 John 2:2 Lexicon: and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
and your pagan penance is satanic too!
Have a good aft ok, I'll leave you the last word
as if I had a choice anyway

Unfortunately BOL is preaching a false gospel.
Good scripture 1John2.
1John2:1-2 "1 My little children, these things write I unto you that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and HE IS THE PROPITIATION for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world."

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Christ is not splintered and neither should His BODY be splintered.
He prayed that His Body remain ONE as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

You missed it by a couple of verses. John 17:17--->"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth." Sanctify means to set them apart. Those who belong to Christ are set apart from the world. The only unity possible among believers is through the word of God as taught by the Holy Spirit.

 

[BreadOfLife]

More rc bs. It's all deceptive lies within the rcc, claiming one thing while the facts tell a different story. Why is there belief in souls in purgatory, if the Blood of Jesus forgives all the sins? and there is no need for doing "good works" , for attending Masses , paying for Mass etc etc..to get into heaven. Once again you talking utter nonsense, & deceiving for the rcc.
Btw, no one has spoon fed me anything, so you're wrong again, my church does not say anything about the rcc. I know it firsthand, half my family under the religious spell of the RCC. I've been to almost a dozen RC funerals for family & friends. I've heard the teachings while siting in a pew. Witnessing the rcc's heretical & blasphemous teachings first hand & read from their own sources their false doctrines & misrepresentation of the word of God & Christ's church-- so you lose again.

And why do you insist on lying when you KNOW I will expose you for it??
Nobody "pays" for masses to get them into Heaven.

As for works NOT being necessary - that's NOT what Scripture tells us:

Matt. 25:41-46
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did NOT do for one of the least of these, you did NOT do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Rom 2:6
He will render to each one ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.

James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

 

[tzcho2]

You missed it by a couple of verses. John 17:17--->"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth." Sanctify means to set them apart. Those who belong to Christ are set apart from the world. The only unity possible among believers is through the word of God as taught by the Holy Spirit.

Oh but guess what Bol comes back with? he asks where does it say that the bible is the only scripture?? so according to the rcc THEY can continue to write their own scripture. The rcc teaches such conceited , convoluted blatant a satan inspired lies, it floors me that anyone is caught in their pitiful obvious religious web of deceit.

 

[bbyrd009]

whatever theology allows that one might one day go up to heaven and become an immortal I guess
huh

you'd think these guys would all be hugging each other and slapping each other on the back, having agreed to that scenario, wouldn't you?
So what gives, one gotta wonder

 

[BreadOfLife]

You missed it by a couple of verses. John 17:17--->"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth." Sanctify means to set them apart. Those who belong to Christ are set apart from the world. The only unity possible among believers is through the word of God as taught by the Holy Spirit.

Uh-huh.
Then tell me why there are tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on tens of thousands of different interpretations of what the Holy Spirit revealed - yet they ALL claim to have the "Truth".

Ummmmmmm, WHY is that??

 

[tzcho2]

And why do you insist on lying when you KNOW I will expose you for it??
Nobody "pays" for masses to get them into Heaven.

As for works NOT being necessary - that's NOT what Scripture tells us:

Matt. 25:41-46
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did NOT do for one of the least of these, you did NOT do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Rom 2:6
He will render to each one ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.

James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

James is speaking that good works is the result of salvation.
I think it's hopeless as you don't want to know the Truth you only want to parrot what the rcc preaches, it certainly is monotonous how you cherry-pick scriptures to try to justify your beliefs in the rc false doctrines , & you contradict yourself while misrepresenting scriptures. That is bad for your soul.

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh Lawd, how can a guy like me become an immortal and go up to heaven after I have died, too?
Bc if it's good enough for Chinese Emperors and Egyptian Pharaohs,
it's good enough for me!

:/
fwiw to anyone I would start reading Exodus from here ok