Without unconditional Election,no one would be saved.

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

You are a bully.

Not at all. All of us are just trying to get a result.We want you to respond to our questions, or better still admit you need help and would welcome correction

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I don't need to work through the chapters because what is written in the verses are plain for all to see. Forgive me for being lazy. I don't feel that I have to look at the entire passage because the verses in question are clear; and I also believe that every Bible verse stands on its own as a bastion of Bible truth.

If you think that looking at the context will bear out a different result, then by all means show us how the context nullifies the meaning of the verses in question.

The passages are Romans 5:1-8 and 2 Peter 3:1-9.

This is the reason you miss it.
Try this if you want truth...who is verse one speaking about in Romans5:1

 

[justbyfaith]

Jn7:24

Judging righteous judgment means you will not judge a servant of the Lord; because if your tongue rises in judgment against a servant of the Lord, your tongue will be condemned.

So in harmony of the verses, the only judgment that is permissible is that of those who are clearly unbelieving. Those who serve the Lord are off-limits; because if your tongue rises against a servant of the Lord in judgment, your tongue will be condemned: how then can that judgment be righteous?

 

[justbyfaith]

This is the reason you miss it.
Try this if you want truth...who is verse one speaking about in Romans5:1

From https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/commentary-on-romans.26927/page-2#post-535748

[quote~]
Concerning Romans 5:2, I wrote:

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Of course it is about believers. It doesn't change the fact that we as believers have gained access into grace by our faith.

Maybe one of these days you will open your eyes and see that if I have access by a key into my mansion, the fact that I am now living in my mansion doesn't mean that I didn't enter into it in the first place by using the key that was given me to my mansion.

Therefore if someone is not living in their mansion, aren't you saying that they cannot gain access to their mansion since they aren't living in it currently?

I am saying that Jesus gives to unbelievers the key to a mansion (which is faith, so that they will not be unbelievers any more); and that when they use the key and enter into their mansion, they have all the benefits of living in the mansion. Not before.

If salvation comes before faith, then one must be already living in the mansion before they can gain access using the key. And this is something of an oxymoron.

Even in Calvinism the doctrine states that we were all born dead in trespasses and sins. So I was born outside the mansion (which represents being a recipient of the grace of the Lord). When Jesus instilled faith in me, that became the key to the mansion. I used the key to gain access to the grace that is the mansion that I am now living in as a believer in Christ. It stands as true that there was a time that I was not a believer; and how then did I gain access to the mansion? Jesus gave me the key of faith.[~quote]

 

[SovereignGrace]

Judging righteous judgment means you will not judge a servant of the Lord; because if your tongue rises in judgment against a servant of the Lord, your tongue will be condemned.

So in harmony of the verses, the only judgment that is permissible is that of those who are clearly unbelieving. Those who serve the Lord are off-limits; because if your tongue rises against a servant of the Lord in judgment, your tongue will be condemned: how then can that judgment be righteous?

We are to judge them within, God judges them without.[1 Corinthians 5:12] That’s the thrust of the Christ’s words in Matthew 18:15-20.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

This is the reason you miss it.
Try this if you want truth...who is verse one speaking about in Romans5:1

"It must be lost people Paul is talking about because clearly verse 2 is speaking about lost people. Nevermind the fact that Romans 5:1 says we are justified by faith and have peace with God and that it could only mean saved persons. It's lost people because I say so."

"I don't care what verse 1 says, verse 2 is clear as to its meaning. Verse 1 has no effect on verse 2. All verses in the Bible are disconnected random thoughts, so we just pick out which ones we like, sort of like a horoscope, and go with it. The church has always done it this way."

"Oh, you go first."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

We are to judge them within, God judges them without.[1 Corinthians 5:12] That’s the thrust of the Christ’s words in Matthew 18:15-20.

Careful, you're about to get yourself zapped with some Isaiah 54:17, TBN style.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Careful, you're about to get yourself zapped with some Isaiah 54:17, TBN style.

I have my TBN-proof underwear on, so I’m good.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I have my TBN-proof underwear on, so I’m good.

You're in your Geriatric Deaf and Mute Ninja Tortoises undies again?

 

[SovereignGrace]

You're in your Geriatric Deaf and Mute Ninja Tortoises undies again?

I get the tortoises thingy, but geriatric deaf thingy?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I get the tortoises thingy, but geriatric deaf thingy?

Not "teenage," "geriatric."

Not "mutant," "deaf and mute."

You must be low on thinker fluid.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not "teenage," "geriatric."

Not "mutant," "deaf and mute."

You must be low on thinker fluid.

I STILL don’t get. There’s no fluid on the dipstick, it’s that low.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

From Commentary on Romans.

[quote~]
Concerning Romans 5:2, I wrote:

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Even in Calvinism the doctrine states that we were all born dead in trespasses and sins. So I was born outside the mansion (which represents being a recipient of the grace of the Lord). When Jesus instilled faith in me, that became the key to the mansion. I used the key to gain access to the grace that is the mansion that I am now living in as a believer in Christ. It stands as true that there was a time that I was not a believer; and how then did I gain access to the mansion? Jesus gave me the key of faith.[~quote]

Thank you for responding. ...I will respond next time I get on my laptop

 

[justbyfaith]

I have my TBN-proof underwear on, so I’m good.

Mormon?

 

[justbyfaith]

We are to judge them within, God judges them without.[1 Corinthians 5:12] That’s the thrust of the Christ’s words in Matthew 18:15-20.

If you are trying to have your brother cast out of the church, consider that you may be acting out of malice.

 

[SovereignGrace]

If you are trying to have your brother cast out of the church, consider that you may be acting out of malice.

The goal is always restoration my friend. Read Hosea and Gomer. She played the (repeated) whore and yet he took her back. He even went so far as to buy her back for the price of a slave, but she was not his slave but his wife. When a Brother offends you, you go to him alone and if he repents, that's the end of it. If he doesn't, you take 1 or 2 with you so that there are 2 or 3 witnesses to establish what has transpired. If he still doesn't repent, you then bring him before the local assembly and if he repents, then that's the end of it. If not, you cast him out. But throwing him out is after you have exhausted all means if restoration.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Mormon?

?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

?

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[SovereignGrace]

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!!

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

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You mentioned you had on secret underwear= mormon...lol.