Defending Homosexuality

[FHII]

No one said she was at all but the fact is that she looked back, one must not look back on such depravity or you are like Lot.

Lot didn't look back. Did you mean Lot's wife?

God destroyed the Sinful godless people who took part in such

And what was the such? Why did God destroy Sodom?

Ezekiel 16:49-50 KJV
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. [50] And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good .

I don't see homosexuality listed there. Maybe under the flag of abominations. But I dont think so because I read the chapter.

All such society's fail when people idolise homosexuals and any such depravity,

JUST homosexuality? I agree we are getting more lax there (and despite what many may say... I will let you in on a secret... I believe homosexuality is a sin) but what of all the other sins? I mean... At least took at the list Ezekeiel gave.

their Sin or promoted it.
Babylon - she has made all nations drunk of the wine of wrath of her fornication.
Rom 3:28 Reprobate mind.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the Law through faith ? God forbid ! yea we establish the Law. and Mat 5:17-18
Mat 5:19-20 to enter into Heaven you must ?
Mat 4:10 so who do you serve ?

Ok. Nice list. But could I not put together a longer list to counter that? This is a clear case of cherry picking. I can and will discuss all those verses.

Would you be willing to do the same? I don't like trying to Trump scripture with scripture. I refuse to do it. So when you were putting together that list, were you thinking a move ahead?

 

[Helen]

Ezekiel 16:49-50 KJV
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. [50] And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good .

I don't see homosexuality listed there. Maybe under the flag of abominations. But I dont think so because I read the chapter.

PRIDE, FULNESS OF BREAD, AND AN ABUNDANCE OF IDLENESS...that sound very much like today!!! Yep!!

Good post @FHII , and very good 'balance'.

 

[FHII]

PRIDE, FULNESS OF BREAD, AND AN ABUNDANCE OF IDLENESS...that sound very much like today!!! Yep!!

Good post @FHII , and very good 'balance'.

Yeah... Especially in the USA. Maybe in other countries as well. We have an abundance of idleness due to our wealth. Others have it because of oppression and lack of opportunity. I am on the fence about that... But I have to look at my own country first.

But let's look at it spiritually. Wealth is a blessing. It becomes a curse when you are not a giver. Spiritually as well as resources.

We can't be prideful or idle in the Lord no matter how much wealth (of spiritual gifts or earthen gifts) we are blessed with.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Lot didn't look back. Did you mean Lot's wife?


And what was the such? Why did God destroy Sodom?

Ezekiel 16:49-50 KJV
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. [50] And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good .

I don't see homosexuality listed there. Maybe under the flag of abominations. But I dont think so because I read the chapter.


JUST homosexuality? I agree we are getting more lax there (and despite what many may say... I will let you in on a secret... I believe homosexuality is a sin) but what of all the other sins? I mean... At least took at the list Ezekeiel gave.


Ok. Nice list. But could I not put together a longer list to counter that? This is a clear case of cherry picking. I can and will discuss all those verses.

Would you be willing to do the same? I don't like trying to Trump scripture with scripture. I refuse to do it. So when you were putting together that list, were you thinking a move ahead?

Yes Lot's wife sure it is.

I am not into list or how long a one you can or how many. Socialist love to play the numbers games etc.

Fact is that anyone who promotes Sin is a Anti-Christ.

Did you know that theft is a Sin and that some theft does not have the same gravity as all. just the same with homosexuals, some are not a real problem, but some are a real problem.
Ok someone stole your 10c pen, but someone stole your House.
Ok a little boy type poof has an infatuation with himself and other boys he likes, but another is hell bent on total sick depravity.

Don't you think that we should identify who is who truly, so society has an understanding on who is truly what.

You know what I know Homosexual people who I don't mind being with and i like them as a person and friend but there are some that I will flat refuse to be around at all, I will not put up with that crap that they go on about as it drives one up the wall and they are just so revoltingly rude and embarrassing to be around such filth. they are nasty and talk everyone down at the drop of a hat, yell out to people who are gay bagging what they are wearing, have mood swings that are off the chart. and I could go on and on, it's all about themselves.

 

[Marymog]

No, your complaint is that you're defending homosexuals in the church and I am not.

What do I not acknowledge that is pertinent?

Stranger

Hi Stranger,

When you say that you don’t defend homosexuals being in the church are you talking about a celibate gay people also?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Yeah... Especially in the USA. Maybe in other countries as well. We have an abundance of idleness due to our wealth. Others have it because of oppression and lack of opportunity. I am on the fence about that... But I have to look at my own country first.

But let's look at it spiritually. Wealth is a blessing. It becomes a curse when you are not a giver. Spiritually as well as resources.

We can't be prideful or idle in the Lord no matter how much wealth (of spiritual gifts or earthen gifts) we are blessed with.

1 Timothy 6:10

2 Thessalonians 3:6-15

 

[Stranger]

Hi Stranger,

When you say that you don’t defend homosexuals being in the church are you talking about a celibate gay people also?

Mary

You must be bored. Claiming to be celibate homosexual means nothing. Being a homosexual is the issue. See my post #(34) any time you need my view of homosexuality refreshed.

Stranger

 

[tabletalk]

'Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:
.. for God cannot be tempted with evil,
.... neither tempteth He any man:
But every man is tempted,
.. when he is drawn away of his own lust,
.... and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived,
.. it bringeth forth sin:
.... and sin, when it is finished,
...... bringeth forth death.'
(James 1:13-15)

Hello @oldhermit,

I feel sorry for those whose lusts lead them into actions which are abhorrent to God: for lust, especially sexual lusts are strong when allowed to take hold. The action of engaging in a physical union with one of our own gender is on record as being abhorrent to God, so regardless of the strength of our feeling towards another, or the fact that it is the fruit born of love for another, to allow lust to conceive and bring forth sin must not be contemplated.

To share one's life with another of the same gender is not wrong, to love that person, and want to spend one's life with that person is not wrong, but to engage in a physical union with that person is wrong, and should be avoided at all costs.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

You seem to be saying that SSA (same sex attraction) is not a sin, but the action which follows it is a sin.
I don't agree. The actual desire for sexual activity with the same sex, is a sin.
But, I may have misunderstood you.

 

[Marymog]

Homosexuality is a curse from God against a God rejecting people. God literally gives a people over to it. You don't want God...fine, have this instead. (Rom. 1:26-27)

It is not self-righteous to recognize this. The believer in Christ recognizes that he too could have fallen into this had not God redeemed him, and he placed faith in Christ and believed the truth. (Rom. 1:18)

If a homosexual tells me he goes to a homosexual church, and his pastor is a homosexual, and they just have a homosexual great worshiping time, I tell him he is a liar. He may be having a good time, but his worship and service are not received by God. His homosexuality is a result of rejecting the truth. Until he goes back and corrects that, there is no hope.

I do not embrace or condone, or seek to sympathize with homosexuals. They have the truth but reject the truth. God has rejected them. Why should I receive one as a homosexual. I shouldn't.

If you want to be a homosexual, go ahead. But stay away from me and mine. The only hope for the homosexual is Jesus Christ. But the problem is they have already denied the truth of God which is why they are where they are.

Homosexuality is nothing but maggots upon a dead carcass. They don't arrive until something is dying or dead. Thus our country is filled with them.

Stranger

Romans 1:26-27 is the consequence of idol worship. To put it in CONTEXT start reading at verse #22.

Bible study Mary

 

[Marymog]

You must be bored. Claiming to be celibate homosexual means nothing. Being a homosexual is the issue. See my post #(34) any time you need my view of homosexuality refreshed.

Stranger

Thank you. I hadn’t seen that post. I see now how you came to your belief.

Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, by a steadfast ignorance of the underlying concept of homospiritual imo

 

[Mike Dwight]

Instead of a "bride and groom," you'd be... butt buddies.
haha, well how is everybody talking about defending? Whats that mean?

Have you seen more selfish people than Christians against you, being in privacy, and viewing pornographic material, and they bother other people to hear it? OK I get it.

People who admit to private homosexual relationships anywhere need to be placed under arrest, no wait, I mean, you couldn't possibly desire the fidelity of Israel the naked breasted one onto a forgiving God and like appreciate with your whole body sado-masochistic Faith, guys!

'>Jeremiah 13:27


"As for your adulteries and your lustful neighings, The lewdness of your prostitution On the hills in the field, I have seen your abominations Woe to you, O Jerusalem! How long will you remain unclean?"

 

[aspen]

Watching internet porn is actually worse than committed homosexual relationships

Of course you rarely see threads condemning internet porn and tons of threads on the evils of homosexuality.

Gee.....I wonder which sin applies to the most people......I am sure it is close...LOL

 

[Mike Dwight]

If viewing Porn were in itself a sin then rape's a sin for the one being raped? You're clearly trying to discuss the involuntary reflexes from that activity in most functioning males, and the oh so modest, oh so somber, or so, girding of the loins, in absolute focus, to such excess, then, well what we don't work in Korea but is courteous to get absolutely Sloshed visiting 10 houses where you got to drink soju. Its selfish I said, and its myopic.

 

[aspen]

If viewing Porn were in itself a sin then rape's a sin? You're clearly trying to discuss the involuntary reflexes from that activity in most functioning males, and the oh so modest, oh so somber, or so, girding of the loins, in absolute focus, to such excess, then, well what we don't work in Korea but is courteous to get absolutely Sloshed visiting 10 houses where you got to drink soju. Its selfish I said, and its myopic.

Going around sing and dancing with turtles on the cliffs?

 

[Mike Dwight]

Well I mean there were no meeting halls for people to discuss in korea, and drinking the strongest Alcoholic drink in existence is an understandable custom for guests, and there may not be a Christian in Korea without heavy alcohol consumption, and the whole idea of a man without sin is reserved for Jesus, where did it say anywhere we are all going to be people without sins, or even where does it make the common phrase 'no wrongs' to make 'a right', sins aren't 'wrongs' even their sins and the Bible can define what they "mean" for us. Sorry to the main thread. We're saying homosexuals aren't in any sins at all by comparison, aren't we? Let's say yes, the two brides presented without fault upon each other in a daydream church.

 

[aspen]

Well I mean there were no meeting halls for people to discuss in korea, and drinking the strongest Alcoholic drink in existence is an understandable custom for guests, and there may not be a Christian in Korea without heavy alcohol consumption, and the whole idea of a man without sin is reserved for Jesus, where did it say anywhere we are all going to be people without sins, or even where does it make the common phrase 'no wrongs' to make 'a right', sins aren't 'wrongs' even their sins and the Bible can define what they "mean" for us. Sorry to the main thread. We're saying homosexuals aren't in any sins at all by comparison, aren't we? Let's say yes, the two brides presented without fault upon each other in a daydream church.

I believe we are only allowed to recognize the sins of others in order to root out our own sin

 

[Mike Dwight]

Completely, and what people will realize in no time is that with electronic media today, they'll get to have you registered with it at work ,or college, or talking to anybody online, and its a criminal evidence more than its ever going to be a relevance between yourself and any weakness and God, just look at a half dressed uncercover cop for instance, you see that , the social modesty of a Puritan off-shoot society will rocket far above a Calvinistic Presbyterian's outlook, that instant of 'weakness' is going to be worth a bunch to secular law enforcement, right?

Well people want me registered with this stuff in classes, tell me I'm on the internet publicly with it, and that its all my weakness, its just going to bite you the way you look at it, I bet. Just watch up to a monk with a harlot and sure the Pope should have afforded him thick brick walls, really? Who's the weak one?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

With the exponential rise of defenders of homosexuality in the world, I cannot help but wonder how it is that many who claim to be of the Christian community can defend this lifestyle so fervently. I suppose I will never be able to understand why anyone who claims to be a Christian can feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned.

The scriptures are clear that just as those who practice adultrey and stealing will not be in God's kingdom neither will those who practice homosexuality be in God's kingdom. Although I will not defend homosexuality, I believe most people are defending them today because those who say they are Christians are physically abusing them shouting the most vulgar language at them and trying to force their beliefs on them. Most people are against treating people like that so don't want to be numbered among those doing such things to people. Like I said I won't defend homosexuality but I won't condone the way people are treating them either.

 

[Truth]

With the exponential rise of defenders of homosexuality in the world, I cannot help but wonder how it is that many who claim to be of the Christian community can defend this lifestyle so fervently. I suppose I will never be able to understand why anyone who claims to be a Christian can feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned.

There are many thing's that the body defends that do not line up with the Will of God! This particular subject is no longer deemed unacceptable due to the world's view of being politicly correct. Love the soul, not the sin, and make no compromise for the act! For if we except the behavior then we will be one who has joined in with the sin !