Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

[Helen]

There is no such thing as the "rapture"!

There will not be two coming of Jesus Christ in the future. There will be one coming of Jesus Christ in the future, that being the second coming of Christ.

Why people think there will be two comings of Christ in the future is just totally beyond me.

One of the main arguments to support the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is that a loving God wont allow His children to suffer through such a difficult time.

This argument is weak. There are lots examples in the Old and New T of people that suffered to the glory of God as testimony to both those who have gone before and those who will come after us.
Think Job , who through no fault of his own suffered much while his “friends” nagged at him....falsely saying that Job was suffering for the wrongs he had committed!! ( who needs friends like that!) But in the end Job was vindicated and God blessed him greatly.
Job didn't know it but it was actually God who was vindicated and Satan was defeated.
Suffering is part and parcel of the Christian life!!

God has said "I will be with you in trouble"...not 'you will never suffer trouble'.

 

[Enoch111]

Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

This title is about as ridiculous as it gets. Only Christians believe in a Rapture, and they do not need "proof" about spiritual things. That is what Atheists and unbelievers look for.

Furthermore, many truths in Scripture are IMPLIED, not states explicitly as in a textbook: “The fact is that neither posttribulalionism nor pretribulationisim is an explicit teaching of Scripture. The Bible does not in so many words state either.”

So this thread is "proof" that it is simply Anti-Pretribulation PROPAGANDA without any substance or significance. Same old, same old.

 

[Dave L]

This title is about as ridiculous as it gets. Only Christians believe in a Rapture, and they do not need "proof" about spiritual things. That Atheists and unbelievers look for.

Furthermore, many truths in Scripture are IMPLIED, not states explicitly as in a textbook: “The fact is that neither posttribulalionism nor pretribulationisim is an explicit teaching of Scripture. The Bible does not in so many words state either.”

So this thread is "proof" that it is simply Anti-Pretribulation PROPAGANDA

Why not post your favorite direct quote pre-trib passages as proof?

 

[Helen]

So this thread is "proof" that it is simply Anti-Pretribulation PROPAGANDA

And...if you YOU have 'bought a lie'....
Keep you hopes and dreams...you will need them!!

 

[Enoch111]

There is no such thing as the "rapture"!

Wow! I would expect this kind of remark from an unbeliever or an Atheist, not a Christian.

The very fact that Enoch was raptured refutes your statement.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb 11:5,6)

 

[Enoch111]

And...if you YOU have 'bought a lie'....

Since the Rapture is very clearly described in the Bible, no one can call it "a lie". Time to go back and study the matter seriously, rather then believe all the propaganda and garbage.

 

[Dave L]

Since the Rapture is very clearly described in the Bible, no one can call it "a lie". Time to go back and study the matter seriously, rather then believe all the propaganda and garbage.

It happens on the last day after the resurrection of believers.

 

[Waiting on him]

There is no such thing as the "rapture"!

There will not be two coming of Jesus Christ in the future. There will be one coming of Jesus Christ in the future, that being the second coming of Christ.

Why people think there will be two comings of Christ in the future is just totally beyond me.

One of the main arguments to support the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is that a loving God wont allow His children to suffer through such a difficult time.

This argument is weak. There are lots examples in the Old and New T of people that suffered to the glory of God as testimony to both those who have gone before and those who will come after us.
Think Job , who through no fault of his own suffered much while his “friends” nagged at him....falsely saying that Job was suffering for the wrongs he had committed!! ( who needs friends like that!) But in the end Job was vindicated and God blessed him greatly.
Job didn't know it but it was actually God who was vindicated and Satan was defeated.
Suffering is part and parcel of the Christian life!!

God has said "I will be with you in trouble"...not 'you will never suffer trouble'.

The Pharisees also had a futurist perspective.

 

[tzcho2]

Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

Thread title shows fallacy of top dogs ....there are no top dogs in Christianity.
Galatians 3:28 "27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. "

 

[tzcho2]

Wow! I would expect this kind of remark from an unbeliever or an Atheist, not a Christian.

The very fact that Enoch was raptured refutes your statement.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb 11:5,6)

Telling isn't it? sifting

 

[tzcho2]

Since the Rapture is very clearly described in the Bible, no one can call it "a lie". Time to go back and study the matter seriously, rather then believe all the propaganda and garbage.

Yes I agree! The Rapture is clearly described in scripture , but it's funny --somehow, some cannot see it in black and white.
It's also funny that so many have no knowledge of the actual dictionary meaning of words and wrongly call something "a lie" when they don't believe something.
A "lie" is when someone says something deliberately untrue in order to deceive another. You have to know you are speaking a falsehood for it to be called a "lie". It isn't just something someone disagrees with. It's getting harder to have coherent conversations with people when they don't even know the meaning of the words that they use and are attaching bogus meanings to them.

 

[tzcho2]

This title is about as ridiculous as it gets. Only Christians believe in a Rapture, and they do not need "proof" about spiritual things. That is what Atheists and unbelievers look for.

Furthermore, many truths in Scripture are IMPLIED, not states explicitly as in a textbook: “The fact is that neither posttribulalionism nor pretribulationisim is an explicit teaching of Scripture. The Bible does not in so many words state either.”

So this thread is "proof" that it is simply Anti-Pretribulation PROPAGANDA without any substance or significance. Same old, same old.

Funny! that's what I thought also. :)

 

[Stranger]

(1Thess. 4:17) says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together ..."

In the Vulgate, the words "be caught up" are translated 'rapio'. This is where we get the word 'rapture'. So, the Rapture is the believers being caught up in the clouds, in the air to be with the Lord.

Why would anyone dispute that there is a rapture?

Stranger

 

[Willie T]

(1Thess. 4:17) says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together ..."

In the Vulgate, the words "be caught up" are translated 'rapio'. This is where we get the word 'rapture'. So, the Rapture is the believers being caught up in the clouds, in the air to be with the Lord.

Why would anyone dispute that there is a rapture?

Stranger

Few dispute the happening... just the timing.

 

[bbyrd009]

Few dispute the happening... just the timing.

You believe that at some point you might be "taken by force" by your "Lord" to (fill in the blank) because (fill in the blank), Willie?

 

[bbyrd009]

Paul wrote Thessalonians, right
lol
you guys know what Thessalonians reps/means?

 

[bbyrd009]

Ok another reflection on this is in ones interp of
Matthew 11:12 Lexicon: "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.
right; we have two interps for this split down the same lines I think?
some read this as a good thing?
(it ends in harpazo too)

um, I know where to go to hear "Paul said 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord'" too

 

[Waiting on him]

Paul write Thessalonians, right
lol
you guys know what Thessalonians reps/means?

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 11:12-13 KJV
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. [13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Tecarta BibleAnd the Pharisees say but this can’t be the Christ. He’s supposed to kill all or enemies and set us on high, higher than we already are.

 

[CoreIssue]

First of all who pronounced the top dogs? You?