Why Christians Disagree

[FatalMoves]

No not quite...he can speak for me too!

@Nancy Well said in post #119 Yay!! :)

Matthew 12:36 36But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

 

[historyb]

So what's the meaning of meeting the Lord in the air.

Just what is says, unlike evangelicals I don't think it's cryptic or has any secret meaning.

 

[Vince]

Solipsism? That's kind of dumb. Because then you would be arguing either with something you feel cannot exist, or you would be arguing with yourself. LOL

I agree. My point was that if want to know truth we need to start with the fact that we cannot know 100% that other minds exist. Like I said, since we cannot solve this problem then I choose as most people do is to go ahead and believe other minds do exist and reality is as it seems. From here sufficient evidence is needed to believe something is true. Without it how can you know something is true. The evidence criteria is left up to the individual. We can't know anything for sure 100% but we make evaluations of what is true based on evidence and not faith.

 

[Vince]

I'd only say that anyone professing to be a Christian who doesn't believe that the sacrifice of Christ atoned for sin or claim that he didn't rise from the tomb, is No Christian at all.. That's like claiming to be a conservative but voting for Bernie Sanders. :)

This is one of Christianities big problems. Christians have very different beliefs on salvation, if they cannot agree on salvation why should anyone think they have an answer?

 

[FatalMoves]

Just what is says, unlike evangelicals I don't think it's cryptic or has any secret meaning.

Sound's very rapturous.

 

[FatalMoves]

Here's a YouTube clip that's better than that trinity mess.

Brb.

 

[Helen]

That is not enough. What abut Jesus? What does Jesus have to do with salvation? Look up Red Letter Christians, they don't believe that Jesus died for forgiveness of sins, they believe god just forgives without a sacrifice.

That is the whole thing ..."What about Jesus?" that is the question asked until the end of time. Our Choice.

To be honest I have made my own choice back in 1964...never changed my mind since...I do not really care 'what other people think or believe'..my faith is what moves me forward...and, if the opportunity arises, I will help and encourage others along the journey.

I don't have time to mess with all the differences and argument between or about doctrines. I threw the rapture thing out about 35 years ago...I will state what I believe ( or don't believe) but I wont waste time debating it. If people want to risk believing in some magical rapture, so be it...they could be in for a sad surprise.

The promise is " He that has begun a good work in you, will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."

 

[historyb]

Sound's very rapturous.

To you maybe but not to me. Of course after much study a long time ago I abandoned that position that there is any idea of an evangelical literal rapture

 

[FatalMoves]

 

[Helen]

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[Jane_Doe22]

Where did I say I was unwilling to do work?

You did. Through your words and attitudes here. I've asked repeatedly if you were interested in study and getting past the superficial straw man arguments you keep presenting here. You scoffed at the idea.

 

[Taken]

I do hear you Taken...I used to do nothing BUT talk about the rapture in my early days but then, I found out there was pre, mid, post ...

I heard the same. And then kept digging, to find out "who" was saying "what" and
"when" and "why".

There are multiple redeemings, and several resurrections, and One Rapture for a specific people.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Vince]

You did. Through your words and attitudes here. I've asked repeatedly if you were interested in study and getting past the superficial straw man arguments you keep presenting here. You scoffed at the idea.

But you won't tell me where I did this? Can you name one straw man argument I raised?

 

[FatalMoves]

To you maybe but not to me. Of course after much study a long time ago I abandoned that position that there is any idea of an evangelical literal rapture

The rapture and trinity share common ground, as it is not mentioned directly in the bible.

 

[Helen]

I heard the same. And then kept digging, to find out "who" was saying "what" and
"when" and "why".

There are multiple redeemings, and several resurrections, and One Rapture for a specific people.

Glory to God,
Taken

If we are talking about being 'caught up' in the Spirit as mature sons of God as in Revelation...3 etc ...then yes , but if you are talking about bodies being whisked away and flying upward...nah....been there done that...studied all the "types, shadows, Symbol's from Gen -Rev...I find no confirmation except the few worn out verses of Paul...used to "prove" it!

But, we must each be persuaded in our own mind... it is not a beach to die upon. x

 

[Helen]

The rapture and trinity share common ground, as it is not mentioned directly in the bible.

Yes agree... but it makes some people feel happy

 

[FatalMoves]

Shall I remind you again of this verse.

1 Corinthians 13:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

They didn't know everything, so the bible doesn't know everything.

 

[Taken]

I want sufficient evidence to believe god exists,

God exists, because I believe and trust He exists and by and through Christ Jesus I receive knowledge, blessings, comfort and understanding.

Is that satisfactory?

if there is sufficient evidence he exists then I want god to be more moral than how the bible describes god.

You want God to be Scripturally depicted
as more right?
Or do you mean, something else?

If there is presented to me sufficient evidence to believe and he is as the bible describes him then I would seriously have to think about following or promoting that god. I believe a god worth following would be at least be more moral than myself.

Let me know, if what I presented is satisfactory proof for you.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Jane_Doe22]

But you won't tell me where I did this? Can you name one straw man argument I raised?

We already had this exact conversation: I gave the example of how any presentation of "X believe you are saved by works" is a straw man argument misrepresenting that groups beliefs, and to really understand those beliefs (not the fake straw man), you need to be willing to listen and study. I asked if you were willing to do that study, and you immediately scoffed at that.
Hence, you have presented yourself as a person who is complaining about the lack of answers while being unwilling to listen and study the answers provided.

 

[101G]

No, I am just repeating what some Christians believe. I have no way to determine if a god exists let alone what he would be like or do.

Good, then you have no clue to christians.

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

Shall I remind you again of this verse.

1 Corinthians 13:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

They didn't know everything, so the bible doesn't know everything.

Shall I remind you no one has claimed the Bible "knows" everything, including the Bible itself reveals, it does not tell all.


John 21
[25] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.