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BreadOfLife

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Simple, it does not exist in the Bible.
Neither does "accepting Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior"
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does the Protestant "Sinner's Prayer".
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do "Altar Calls". As a matter of fact you guys don't even HAVE altars . . .
Neither is a Pre-Trib "Rapture".
Neither is "Eternal Security".

Yet ALL these Protestant practices are alive and well . . .
 

BreadOfLife

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Don't like the name? So what?
TRANSLATION:
"I don't have a SHRED of proof that supports your Church being called "Roman Catholic Church."

That's what I thought.
Maybe you out to try that argument back at your dying forum . . .
 

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Yes I have always wondered how that works, sin today, and get absolution tomorrow, say a few Hail Mary's, and a couple of Our Father's and you are in!
That's because it doesn't work that way.
Your comment is a PRIME example of the stupidity with which anti-Catholics try to reason their hatred for Christ's Church.
 

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That's because in your cowardice - you haven't stated exactly WHAT it is you're talking about . . .
The catholic church you defend is non Biblical. Cannot be found in the Bible.

No Pope, Queen of Heaven, priesthood, Cardinals, any structure beyond the local church, holy water, infant baptism, Purgatory, indulgences, nuns and on and on.
 
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That's because it doesn't work that way.
Your comment is a PRIME example of the stupidity with which anti-Catholics try to reason their hatred for Christ's Church.

Hay I never said I was the brightest bulb on the tree, but as I have experienced through my Catholic Parent's, they confessed to a Priest, Not directly to Our Savior, and it is He that stands before God, and God Honor's Him, and If He [our Savior] except's your repentance then that is how it works.
 
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BreadOfLife

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My post simply pointed out the problem with your claim.
Actually - it didn't.

You were trying to make us believe that the official name of the Catholic Church uses the word "Roman".
It doesn't, as I have already schooled you
 

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Neither does "accepting Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior"
Neither
does the Protestant "Sinner's Prayer".
Neither
do "Altar Calls". As a matter of fact you guys don't even HAVE altars . . .
Neither is a Pre-Trib "Rapture".
Neither is "Eternal Security".

Yet ALL these Protestant practices are alive and well . . .
Poor try at bait and switch.
 

BreadOfLife

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The catholic church you defend is non Biblical. Cannot be found in the Bible.
Sure it can . . .

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:

“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας


The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
Καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
Ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"Ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

- Jesus gave the Church supreme Authority on earth and whatever it ordains on earth is also ordained in heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15).
- He gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and Supreme Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, John 21:19-25).
- He gave the leaders of His Church the power to forgive sins in His name (John 20:21-23).
- Jesus instituted the Eucharist and claimed over and over again that it was His actual Body and Blood (John 6:25-69).
- The Office of Bishop is a SUCCESSIVE office (Acts 1:20).


Gee, I've only scratched the surface - but it sounds REALLY Catholic to me . . .
 

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Neither does "accepting Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior"
Neither
does the Protestant "Sinner's Prayer".
Neither
do "Altar Calls". As a matter of fact you guys don't even HAVE altars . . .
Neither is a Pre-Trib "Rapture".
Neither is "Eternal Security".

Yet ALL these Protestant practices are alive and well . . .

Neither is the word Pope
 

BreadOfLife

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Hay I never said I was the brightest bulb on the tree, but as I have experienced through my Catholic Parent's, they confessed to a Priest, Not directly to Our Savior, and it is He that stands before God, and God Honor's Him, and If He [our Savior] except's your repentance then that is how it works.
That's NOT what Jesus and the Apostles taught . . .

The practice of telling our sins directly to the Church is based directly in Scripture. Three times in the Gospels (Matt. 16:19, 18:18 and John 20:23), we read where Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins or to hold them bound. This is not a something that Jesus took lightly. In John 20:21-23, Jesus (who is God) breathes on the Apostles as he is giving them this power:

(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained."


The fact that Jesus breathed on the Apostles when entrusted them with this ministry is highly significant because he doesn’t do this anywhere else in the New Testament. In fact, there are only two times in ALL of Scripture where God breathes on man:

The first is when he breathed life into Adam.
The second is here in John’s Gospel when he is giving them the power to forgive or retain sins.

The practice of confessing your sins to the Church is an ancient one that goes all the way back to the Apostles themselves. We see this in the 1st century document, the Didache (The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles), where it emphatically states the necessity of confessing our sins to the Church:

Confess your sins in Church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . , On the Lord's Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (Didache 4:14,14:1 [A.D. 50]).

St. Paul makes no small case for this ministry of reconciliation clearly in 2 Cor. 5:18-20:

“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states, “Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ.

In the Greek, the word “presence” in this phrase is Prosopone, which means Person. "In the PERSON of Christ" is a more correct translation. Paul was indicating that THEY (the Apostles) were forgiving sins in the PERSON of Christ, which is translated into Latin as In Persona Christi.
 
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