Understanding Divine Prosperity

[KingJ]

Kingj

The issue here its that those that want to yoke mammon with righteousness are people that want to eat their cake and have it too.

Agree 100% with the underlined. I pray that people are just ignorant on this. Because to me, the alternative is that they want to be demigods. Claim there healing and prosperity so they can be God's man of the hour. Rofl. Humility fail.

 

[DogLady19]

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Now with all sense of holy boldness- What problem do you really have with people naming things and claimimg it. For me, I think it is faith (and righteousness), for me to name what I want according to the will of God, as entrenched in the scriptures and claim it. On the other hand it would have been wrong, if I name it arbitrarily against the will of God and claim it.

You answered your own question. The problem with "Name and Claim It" is that you think you deserve it. You and I "deserve" NOTHING!

The only thing we sinners deserve is hall-fire damnation. Salvation is an undeserved gift. Isn't that enough? Or do you have to have the money too? That's not faith when you are looking for a tangible sign from God.

The promises you should be naming and claiming are those of grace and salvation for your fellow man. Instead of praying, "God give me money so I can give it to others," you should be praying, "God, give me the right words and tell me what I should do as a faithful laborer in Your harvest to bring my neighbor to your saving grace."

The will of God for you and me is found in Matthew 16:24. Pray for that!

When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, not once did he suggest they pray for riches. Was Jesus being forgetful? Did He mess up and omit something? I think not.

PS: Still waiting on that "travelling" exclusionary clause in Joel 2.

 

[pom2014]

Dl we do deserve one thing.

DEATH

That's it we're all murderers of Jesus. Every single one of us.

But we can have the sentence commuted through placing faith in Grace.

 

[DogLady19]

Dl we do deserve one thing.

DEATH

That's it we're all murderers of Jesus. Every single one of us.

But we can have the sentence commuted through placing faith in Grace.

Yep. That's what I just got through saying...

 

[emekrus]

Read the entire chapter of John that comes from and you'll see that its not mammon.

But you won't because you place faith into mammon.

My dear, the fact that you're short-sighted about scriptural truth doesn't mean you are right.

As for the term mammon as it used in the scripture, it means Idolizing of money. But my gospel here, never promotes Idolizing of money, which Jesus reffered to as mammon.

You had better think well and watch well before you use words. If you actually are a believer as you claim.

You answered your own question. The problem with "Name and Claim It" is that you think you deserve it. You and I "deserve" NOTHING!

The only thing we sinners deserve is hall-fire damnation. Salvation is an undeserved gift. Isn't that enough? Or do you have to have the money too? That's not faith when you are looking for a tangible sign from God.

The promises you should be naming and claiming are those of grace and salvation for your fellow man. Instead of praying, "God give me money so I can give it to others," you should be praying, "God, give me the right words and tell me what I should do as a faithful laborer in Your harvest to bring my neighbor to your saving grace."

The will of God for you and me is found in Matthew 16:24. Pray for that!

When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, not once did he suggest they pray for riches. Was Jesus being forgetful? Did He mess up and omit something? I think not.

PS: Still waiting on that "travelling" exclusionary clause in Joel 2.

Doglady, I see that your case is that of brain-washing and scriptural myopia. For a start, everyone that is saved or born again, is no longer a sinner. I for one, I was once a sinner but no longer. I have been adopted to the kingdom of dear son. And yes I deserve absolutely nothing from God including salvation. But the infinite grace of God has brought me into superturally, undeserved inheritance in Christ Jesus. Christ died on the cross and purchased for me with his blood, all that I require for life and Godliness-Including material prosperity.

Of course, we need practical signs to preach the gospel effectively. Remember, Jesus said, except they see signs they will not beleive. Hence, he went about healing, feeding the hungry raising the dead. But as he was going back to the Father, he committed his exact ministry into our hands. So he said, he that believes in me, the works that I do, shall you do also. As a result, we can and have been raising the dead. We have been healing the sick in the name of Jesus. We are preaching the gospel to the poor. We're feeding the hungry.

How much result do you really think you will achieve, by just carrying empty word to people without power? Apostle Paul said, we did not come to you with enticing words of man's wisdom but in the demonstartion of the power of the Spirit. If anyone is carrying the gospel without the power back up, then for sure that person is operating with the negative spirit of the endtime. Becasue Apostle Paul, said the Spirit spoke to him saying, in the last days, many shall have a form of righteousness, and at the same time, denying the Power therein. Which is self-righteousness.

About Matthew 16: 24. Didn't you also read Matthew 19:29;

He said, everyone that deny themselves and follow him, will be rewarded with eternal life in the world to come and hundred fold reward presently.

About Jesus not mentioning riches, in his prayers. Didin't you read, give us this day our daily bread? What do you use to buy your daily bread? Or does your daily bread fall from the sky?

Finally, for the exclusion of the Apostle, it seems you cannot yet get my explanation, so in due course, the Holy Spirit will explain more to you.
Then about the contemporary examples I gave you, I'm yet to get your verdict on them. Pass your judgement as usual.

Agree 100% with the underlined. I pray that people are just ignorant on this. Because to me, the alternative is that they want to be demigods. Claim there healing and prosperity so they can be God's man of the hour. Rofl. Humility fail.

Of course, by the death of Jesus Christ, and the consequent grace made available to us, we're to eat our cakes and yet have it if we believe in him. Why do you people want to limit the grace of God through your unbelieve? About us wanting to be demigods. Of course, we're small gods here on earth, according to scriptures. Have never read, Psalms 82 :5-7: It says we are gods, and that all us are the children of the most high God. So why lambaste the people that know their identity in Christ Jesus.

If there are people you should be fussing about, it is those who do not know who they are. That particular scripture, says the ignorant ones will die like mere men. But those that know they are gods, will operate accrordingly as Jesus stated. We will operate as god here on earth.We will lay hands on the sick they shall recover. We will cast out devil in the name of Jesus. We will take up serpent they will not harm us. We will take in poison and be unhurt. All these are in fulfilment of what Jesus said will be the signs of the true believers like us, in Mark 16: 15-20.

Jesus said in John 14:12; " He that believes in Me, the works that I do, shall he do also, becasue I go to my father..." One of Jesus works was feeding the hungry. You know, he fed 5,000 and then 4,000. All these works he has committed into our hands as he went to be with the father, and gave us the Holy Spirit.

 

[pom2014]

Matthew 19:28
Read it.

You are cherry picking again to justify your desire for wealth.

We receive AFTER he is on his throne, not before.

You are either bound with strong delusion or you are a deceiver. Either way you've chosen your path.

I will not keep you from it. I'm shaking the dust from my feet.

 

[emekrus]

Matthew 19:28
Read it.

You are cherry picking again to justify your desire for wealth.

We receive AFTER he is on his throne, not before.

You are either bound with strong delusion or you are a deceiver. Either way you've chosen your path.

I will not keep you from it. I'm shaking the dust from my feet.

Well, if you think I'm wrong and you're right, then of course, shake the dust from your feet very clean. But all the same, it's been nice time discussing with you.
For the now, wishing a very prosperous year for you and yours. Oh, sorry in case I used the wrong word there 'prosperous' please replace with the one that suits you.

From the bottom of my heart, I love you with the love of Christ. Cheers!

 

[KingJ]

1. Of course, by the death of Jesus Christ, and the consequent grace made available to us, we're to eat our cakes and yet have it if we believe in him. Why do you people want to limit the grace of God through your unbelieve?

2. About us wanting to be demigods. Of course, we're small gods here on earth, according to scriptures. Have never read, Psalms 82 :5-7: It says we are gods, and that all us are the children of the most high God. So why lambaste the people that know their identity in Christ Jesus.

3. If there are people you should be fussing about, it is those who do not know who they are. That particular scripture, says the ignorant ones will die like mere men. But those that know they are gods, will operate accrordingly as Jesus stated. We will operate as god here on earth.We will lay hands on the sick they shall recover. We will cast out devil in the name of Jesus. We will take up serpent they will not harm us. We will take in poison and be unhurt. All these are in fulfilment of what Jesus said will be the signs of the true believers like us, in Mark 16: 15-20.

4. Jesus said in John 14:12; " He that believes in Me, the works that I do, shall he do also, becasue I go to my father..." One of Jesus works was feeding the hungry. You know, he fed 5,000 and then 4,000. All these works he has committed into our hands as he went to be with the father, and gave us the Holy Spirit.

1. Unbelief?? Are you kidding me? I have not got enough belief to believe God can print paper money?

2. Demigods are gods unto themselves. David was making no such reference in Psalm 82. He was alluding to something like Paul's statement of us being saints and a royal priesthood in Christ.

Do you know what the difference between our God and other gods is? Our God ordained that the least on earth is the greatest in heaven. When you run around thinking of yourself as a god, you are filled with pride. You are building your pride. You are the man. You are special. Forget losing your life to God, you are your own god. Now explain to me how that is any different to satan's attitude? Claiming / holding God to promises is not how a child of God carries themselves.

3. The irony. If you knew who you were you would not be claiming and holding God to promises of prosperity and what not. You would just have a trust and knowing that He will undertake on needs and pray His will be done on prosperity. Like every good child in the universe has / does if they have loving parents.....

4. This is what REALLY cracks me up. People like you are in for one HELL of a surprise in heaven. You THINK feeding 5000 > feeding one orphan????????? If you do Christianity is flying completely over your head. Matt 7:22 VS James 1:27.
I don't think Jesus was alluding to any of His miracles when He said what He did in that verse. The ONLY great thing in God's eyes is setting captives free. Not walking on water!! Did you forget that ONLY faith of a ridiculously TINY mustard seed is needed to move a mountain?

 

[DogLady19]

Well, if you think I'm wrong and you're right, then of course, shake the dust from your feet very clean. But all the same, it's been nice time discussing with you.
For the now, wishing a very prosperous year for you and yours. Oh, sorry in case I used the wrong word there 'prosperous' please replace with the one that suits you.

From the bottom of my heart, I love you with the love of Christ. Cheers!

Glad you finally used the word "wishing" in your post since it appears you believe that God is a genie.

Finally, ... it seems you cannot yet get my explanation

I don't need your explanation. I need scripture to back up what you're claiming, and you have spent several days now giving me your words as though they are God's... You have refused to give the supporting scripture, and it's likely that you can't because you are cherry-picking... taking verses of the Bible out of context.

Your words mean nothing to me. I do not hitch my salvation and hope on your words.

The blessings that God pours out because of our giving is not to the individual giver, but the church as a whole. In Malachi and Joel, "you" is plural.

I will leave you with this:

"Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread." Proverbs 30:8

 

[emekrus]

Glad you finally used the word "wishing" in your post since it appears you believe that God is a genie.

I don't need your explanation. I need scripture to back up what you're claiming, and you have spent several days now giving me your words as though they are God's... You have refused to give the supporting scripture, and it's likely that you can't because you are cherry-picking... taking verses of the Bible out of context.

Your words mean nothing to me. I do not hitch my salvation and hope on your words.

The blessings that God pours out because of our giving is not to the individual giver, but the church as a whole. In Malachi and Joel, "you" is plural.

I will leave you with this:

"Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread." Proverbs 30:8

Of course, dear, I had to use 'wishing' for the sake of courstesy and also to suit my guest as I bid him good bye.

My words mean nothing to you? How much I would have wept and pained if I was actually pushing my own words.

Of course, you should still stand on what you believe and let's all wait on the Almighty for his righteous judgement he is the only true Judge. All judgements of men is unrighteous.

About the blessings God pours being for the whole Church, I can already get an inkling that the message is already reaching you little by little. An for sure, He who has begun a good work in your life will definitely finish it.

As for your last scriptural P.S-Proverbs 30: 8; I candidly say; your wish is my command. Be it unto you according to your faith. Until then, Anathema Maranatha...

1. Unbelief?? Are you kidding me? I have not got enough belief to believe God can print paper money?

2. Demigods are gods unto themselves. David was making no such reference in Psalm 82. He was alluding to something like Paul's statement of us being saints and a royal priesthood in Christ.

Do you know what the difference between our God and other gods is? Our God ordained that the least on earth is the greatest in heaven. When you run around thinking of yourself as a god, you are filled with pride. You are building your pride. You are the man. You are special. Forget losing your life to God, you are your own god. Now explain to me how that is any different to satan's attitude? Claiming / holding God to promises is not how a child of God carries themselves.

3. The irony. If you knew who you were you would not be claiming and holding God to promises of prosperity and what not. You would just have a trust and knowing that He will undertake on needs and pray His will be done on prosperity. Like every good child in the universe has / does if they have loving parents.....

4. This is what REALLY cracks me up. People like you are in for one HELL of a surprise in heaven. You THINK feeding 5000 > feeding one orphan????????? If you do Christianity is flying completely over your head. Matt 7:22 VS James 1:27.

I don't think Jesus was alluding to any of His miracles when He said what He did in that verse. The ONLY great thing in God's eyes is setting captives free. Not walking on water!! Did you forget that ONLY faith of a ridiculously TINY mustard seed is needed to move a mountain?

Yes dear, it does require faith to receive from God, and that includes 'Paper Money' as you call it.

Concerning demigods. I think I did not get your own context. I'm certainly not a god to myself. But a small god to The Almighty God. A kind of oracle. You God is the God of gods. I'm one of the gods. You remember, Jesus was accused of blasphemy for saying he was the son of God and of Course, he made reference to the scripture I refered you to. Validating that if we call ourselves gods according to scripture, we are not in error but in faith.

About only mustard seed being required to move a mountain? You know that is where the issue is. People hardly build up that mustard seed to even move a molehill let alone a mountain. Because of religion and unscriptural and unspiritual legalism.
About Pride? Oh, it not even a trace of it can be found in me. I practically live above it. You know pride is thing of the mind. It is a thing of the inside and that is one thing I like about God. he doesn't judge according to the outside appearance of a matter. Rather, he judges the motive and the heart.

 

[lforrest]

Does no one else think God blesses us so we may be a blessing to others?

People are hung-up on the word prosperity.

 

[pom2014]

Does no one else think God blesses us so we may be a blessing to others?

People are hung-up on the word prosperity.

Because our prosperity, by what the KING said is in spiritual, not earthly.

God will give what you need. You do not have to worry or put effort into trying to gain more. It is not like it is a finite commodity. We won't run fresh out of coin.

So we wait and let God handle it. We don't even have to ask him for it, he KNOWS already what we need.

Simple say, thanks God for what you give me. No more.

Trust him. He will not let you down. And even if you're short on coin from time to time, do not panic. He's got you covered.

 

[emekrus]

Does no one else think God blesses us so we may be a blessing to others?

People are hung-up on the word prosperity.

Hmmmmmmmmm. My Dear, I was thinking the same way you're thinking. You know, I posted this same sermon in christianforum.com and everybody in the congregational forum, are being blessed by it and they are also encouraging my faith along the lines of divine prosperity. But to my greatest surprise, since I posted this sermon here, I see many folks here, place a very high premium on poverty rather than divine prosperity as can be seen from the scriptures. Well, may be because it's a general forum. For every Tom,Dick and Harry.

You know, this is as bizarre to me, as it is to you. I have been wondering; which religious sect is this that places such a high premium on poverty.

 

[KingJ]

1. Does no one else think God blesses us so we may be a blessing to others?

2. People are hung-up on the word prosperity.

1. That is obvious. It is a no brainer. God puts us where He needs us. The steps of the righteous are lead by the Lord.

2. That is because every Christian today wants to be the one to reach the rich :lol: or to use money for easy works. Like I said Matt 7:22 VS James 1:27.

Yes dear, it does require faith to receive from God, and that includes 'Paper Money' as you call it.

Concerning demigods. I think I did not get your own context. I'm certainly not a god to myself. But a small god to The Almighty God. A kind of oracle. You God is the God of gods. I'm one of the gods. You remember, Jesus was accused of blasphemy for saying he was the son of God and of Course, he made reference to the scripture I refered you to. Validating that if we call ourselves gods according to scripture, we are not in error but in faith.

About only mustard seed being required to move a mountain? You know that is where the issue is. People hardly build up that mustard seed to even move a molehill let alone a mountain. Because of religion and unscriptural and unspiritual legalism.
About Pride? Oh, it not even a trace of it can be found in me. I practically live above it. You know pride is thing of the mind. It is a thing of the inside and that is one thing I like about God. he doesn't judge according to the outside appearance of a matter. Rather, he judges the motive and the heart.

My dear I don't believe you grasped a single point I made. I have said all I want to to you. Wish you all the best and pray that you learn to be at peace in the situation you are and reach for / pursue righteousness and not money.

 

[DogLady19]

Does no one else think God blesses us so we may be a blessing to others?

People are hung-up on the word prosperity.

I am completely convinced that God gives us the means to carry out His will, and sometimes that means money... I am not so convinced that God is some ATM in the sky that is obligated to us somehow based on something he did for a group of people 1500 years ago with no promise to the rest of humanity in perpetuity.

Yes, some TV preachers in the past few decades have given "prosperity" a bad name, and for good reason.

 

[Nancy]

Does no one else think God blesses us so we may be a blessing to others?

People are hung-up on the word prosperity.

Yes Iforrest, I DO believe God blesses His children monetarily all the time, IF, they are good stewards of these types of blessings-meaning they do not hold it to themselves but BLESS OTHERS with it...and since God provides for every one of our needs...We only need to:
Matthew 6:33
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[marksman]

For some years now, I have been hearing messages on kingdom prosperity. I have heard and have been practicing what I hear, with humongous results to show. But recently, as I was reading the book of the prophet Joel, God gave me a very striking revelation concerning his prosperity agenda for his Church.

As I read that very book of Joel chapter 2, God revealed to me in an unusual way, that outrageous prosperity, is one of the signs of the end time- before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

From that scripture, it can be seen that amidst the outpouring of the Spirit of God, is also the outpouring of abundant material wealth: as can be seen from verses 23-26 of that Joel Chapter 2. It says…

“Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.”

And to enjoy this bountifulness of God’s supply, of course you have to play your part. By giving, by paying all your tithes and offering regularly. And ultimately, serving the Lord committedly and whole-heartedly…

Failure to do all these, you may never part-take of these end time blessings that God have destined for his Church. Why so? Because God operates on covenant terms.

In Exodus 23:25, the word of God says, you shall serve, and he will bless. So if you do not play your own part by serving, God will not be committed to playing his part as well. But on the other hand, after playing your part initially, and God blesses you…

How Then Does God Want Us to Spend The Blessings?

Does God want us to spend our financial or material blessings only on our selfish desires? Is it for self-aggrandizement? Is it only for our family members? Is it for accumulation and material extravagance? The answer to all of that is, no. And these are the areas so many Christian believers are missing it.

The blessings God gives you, is a responsibility to you. You’re to spend it according to his will. And finally, on the last day, you will give account of it. The ignorance of this very fact have become the bane of so many believers today. And if they are not careful, many of them are not able to sustain the blessings; and worse still, it may even land many of them in Hell.

God blesses us to abound unto every good work. According to 2 Corinthians 9: 8-9, which says;
“And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work. As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth forever.”

So God’s end time prosperity agenda is not for accumulation or self-aggrandizement. But rather, for us to abound unto every good works. Good works like: Investing into Evangelism, Church building and expansion; Giving to the less privileged- both in Church and outside the Church. Giving to charity.

In short, the good works are innumerable. Nevertheless, we must also give to ourselves and families, but we should give more outside, than on ourselves…

Why These Frivolities?

What’s the point as a believer, in having fleets of cars, when there are allots of people to be reached out to. One car is enough; or may be two, in case you have a large family. If you want a new brand, or just want a change, sell the one you have, and add money to it and get the new brand.

The remaining abundance you have, use it for the good works the scriptures talk about. So that your treasures can be in heaven as Jesus said. And your eyes also can be focused on heaven; and how you can make it there on the last day…
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Because our Lord Jesus says in the book of Matthew 6: 19-21; “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through or steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

Now for you to part-take in this end-time divine wealth, you must first of all, give your heart to the Lord Jesus. Because according the scripture in 2 Corinthians 8:5, the Macedonian Church which the Apostle Paul is using for our example, first gave their selves to the Lord. So if you want to be a part-taker of this end-time humongous, prosperity of the Church…

You Must Be Born Again

If you want to accept The Lord Jesus as your Lord and personal savior or to rededicate yourself to God, place your right hand on your chest and say out this prayer…

Lord Jesus, today, I repent of my sins. I accept you into my heart as my Lord and personal savior. Wash me with your precious blood, you shared for me on the cross of Calvary. And write my name in the Lamb’s book of life. Thank you father for saving me in Jesus Name. Amen!

If you said that prayer, I pray for you right now from my heart, that you receive the power of God to get wealth in the Jesus Name! I pray also that you receive the grace to abound unto every good works with your wealth in Jesus Name! Your wealth will not lead you to hell, but rather to heaven in the mighty name of Jesus Christ!

Remain Blessed!

If I may I will point out a few errors in your preaching.

One. I have been a christian for 65 years and been through the prosperity gospel, so I can say without regret, that what is important is where the rubber hits the road.

The prosperity gospel benefits mainly those that teach it. Usually you give to me so that I can be prosperous. Don't take my word for it. Look at those who are prospering i.e Kenneth Copeland with his $65 million dollar jet so he does not have to sit next to someone who might affect his ability to pray.

Two. God does not have a prosperity agenda for his church. He has a suffering agenda for his church because they are the churches that advance the Kingdom.

Three. Joel. Who was he writing to? The children of Zion. They are not the church.

Four. There is no instruction about tithing in the New Testament. We are told to give as God has blessed us and that will be different for each one.

Five. There is nothing about prosperity in God's covenant with us.

Six. Exodus 23 was written to unregenerate Jews.

Seven. If we are not supposed to spend God'supposed financial blessing on ourselves, what are you going to say to Kenneth Copeland spending $65 million on a personal jet?

Eight. I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says how you spend your money can land you in hell.

Nine. 2 Cor. 9. This passage talks about all sufficiency, not prosperity. It says he has given to the poor. It does not say he had made them prosperous. And what God gives here is grace, not money.

Ten. What we give to ourselves and families and to others is not stipulated in scripture. All we are told is we are responsible for caring for our own.

Eleven. And what is the point of having a $65 million dollar jet so that you can pray without the influence of nonbelievers sitting next to you.

Twelve. If you have millions then you have to lay up treasure on earth contrary to the teaching of scripture.

Thirteen. Nowhere in scripture are you told to give your heart to the Lord.

Fourteen. Giving your heart to the Lord is quite different to being born again.

Fifteen. Nowhere does it say in scripture that you have to place your right hand on your chest.

Sixteen. Your wealth if God decides to give it to you and he may not, will not lead you to hell or heaven.

I see that you are very young and no doubt you have this perception that preaching is where it is at so let me give you some words of advice. The most effective preaching is the way you live. More people have come into the kingdom because of what they saw than what they heard.

And if you intend to exegete scripture, you need to learn how to do that first. That way you won't make a fool of yourself.

P.S. Here is my definition of prosperity. Having enough for your needs and some left over to give to others. If everyone did that, there would be no need to be prosperous.

 

[Episkopos]

Prosperity is according to the spiritual riches in Christ. As for finances...we aren't to think about it or worry about it. Not too much and no lack. A proper balance is important. If you have too much money...give the rest away.

A Christian worker has support for physical needs. With food and clothing we will be content. (Paul said that)

Of course in Canada we need a roof and heating..etc.

But I am against a Christian worker receiving a salary like the world. We have support so that we need not get entangled in the affairs of this world. We have moved on into care of the things of God.

 

[faithfulness]

If I may I will point out a few errors in your preaching.

One. I have been a christian for 65 years and been through the prosperity gospel, so I can say without regret, that what is important is where the rubber hits the road.

The prosperity gospel benefits mainly those that teach it. Usually you give to me so that I can be prosperous. Don't take my word for it. Look at those who are prospering i.e Kenneth Copeland with his $65 million dollar jet so he does not have to sit next to someone who might affect his ability to pray.

Two. God does not have a prosperity agenda for his church. He has a suffering agenda for his church because they are the churches that advance the Kingdom.

Three. Joel. Who was he writing to? The children of Zion. They are not the church.

Four. There is no instruction about tithing in the New Testament. We are told to give as God has blessed us and that will be different for each one.

Five. There is nothing about prosperity in God's covenant with us.

Six. Exodus 23 was written to unregenerate Jews.

Seven. If we are not supposed to spend God'supposed financial blessing on ourselves, what are you going to say to Kenneth Copeland spending $65 million on a personal jet?

Eight. I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says how you spend your money can land you in hell.

Nine. 2 Cor. 9. This passage talks about all sufficiency, not prosperity. It says he has given to the poor. It does not say he had made them prosperous. And what God gives here is grace, not money.

Ten. What we give to ourselves and families and to others is not stipulated in scripture. All we are told is we are responsible for caring for our own.

Eleven. And what is the point of having a $65 million dollar jet so that you can pray without the influence of nonbelievers sitting next to you.

Twelve. If you have millions then you have to lay up treasure on earth contrary to the teaching of scripture.

Thirteen. Nowhere in scripture are you told to give your heart to the Lord.

Fourteen. Giving your heart to the Lord is quite different to being born again.

Fifteen. Nowhere does it say in scripture that you have to place your right hand on your chest.

Sixteen. Your wealth if God decides to give it to you and he may not, will not lead you to hell or heaven.

I see that you are very young and no doubt you have this perception that preaching is where it is at so let me give you some words of advice. The most effective preaching is the way you live. More people have come into the kingdom because of what they saw than what they heard.

And if you intend to exegete scripture, you need to learn how to do that first. That way you won't make a fool of yourself.

P.S. Here is my definition of prosperity. Having enough for your needs and some left over to give to others. If everyone did that, there would be no need to be prosperous.

May I ask about Proverbs 23:26 My son, give Me your heart, and let your eyes delight in My ways.

 

[Nancy]

If I may I will point out a few errors in your preaching.

One. I have been a christian for 65 years and been through the prosperity gospel, so I can say without regret, that what is important is where the rubber hits the road.

The prosperity gospel benefits mainly those that teach it. Usually you give to me so that I can be prosperous. Don't take my word for it. Look at those who are prospering i.e Kenneth Copeland with his $65 million dollar jet so he does not have to sit next to someone who might affect his ability to pray.

Two. God does not have a prosperity agenda for his church. He has a suffering agenda for his church because they are the churches that advance the Kingdom.

Three. Joel. Who was he writing to? The children of Zion. They are not the church.

Four. There is no instruction about tithing in the New Testament. We are told to give as God has blessed us and that will be different for each one.

Five. There is nothing about prosperity in God's covenant with us.

Six. Exodus 23 was written to unregenerate Jews.

Seven. If we are not supposed to spend God'supposed financial blessing on ourselves, what are you going to say to Kenneth Copeland spending $65 million on a personal jet?

Eight. I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says how you spend your money can land you in hell.

Nine. 2 Cor. 9. This passage talks about all sufficiency, not prosperity. It says he has given to the poor. It does not say he had made them prosperous. And what God gives here is grace, not money.

Ten. What we give to ourselves and families and to others is not stipulated in scripture. All we are told is we are responsible for caring for our own.

Eleven. And what is the point of having a $65 million dollar jet so that you can pray without the influence of nonbelievers sitting next to you.

Twelve. If you have millions then you have to lay up treasure on earth contrary to the teaching of scripture.

Thirteen. Nowhere in scripture are you told to give your heart to the Lord.

Fourteen. Giving your heart to the Lord is quite different to being born again.

Fifteen. Nowhere does it say in scripture that you have to place your right hand on your chest.

Sixteen. Your wealth if God decides to give it to you and he may not, will not lead you to hell or heaven.

I see that you are very young and no doubt you have this perception that preaching is where it is at so let me give you some words of advice. The most effective preaching is the way you live. More people have come into the kingdom because of what they saw than what they heard.

And if you intend to exegete scripture, you need to learn how to do that first. That way you won't make a fool of yourself.

P.S. Here is my definition of prosperity. Having enough for your needs and some left over to give to others. If everyone did that, there would be no need to be prosperous.

Good post!