CAN WE FALL AWAY ?

[Triumph1300]

It's not our place to know who is saved and who isn't.

That's not what I was getting at.
I don't support OSAS.
So, I agree with you.
I quoted that scripture because I believe it dos not support OSAS.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What does it mean: Endure till the end.

It means the Holy Spirit grabbing you by the ankle and pulling you out of the pits of hell just in the nick of time.

 

[GodsGrace]

I will generally not correspond with him...he jumped at me with full barrels blasted me u and down on day one on this site...almost did not come back, lol...But God said, "grow a thicker skin" HAha. I see this arguing over and over on here...and most likely on every forum...BOL never holds back, and all I have seen is vitriol and name calling so, I pass over all of them now.
I did hesitate to get into this thread and, prob. should not have. You do know I come from a very Catholic background and ALL of my cousins, Aunts, Uncles and many friends are Catholic. I just wanted to share my opinion, didn't want to attack any person, I am sorry if anybody is offended.

If someone is going to post Catholic doctrine,
it should be CORRECT Catholic doctrine.
I know a monk and priests (3) personally.
I think THEY know if they're resacrificing Jesus at every Mass!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Well my friend, seems his frustration is rubbing off on you. Just sayin! ♥

Dear sister,

Catholics and even former ones, do not see the Mass as sacrificing Him again and again. They see the Mass as a means to make that one time sacrifice for sins "present" in order to be received again and again and again, but in an unbloody manner. To some of us, Protestants, it comes off as sacrificing Him again and again and again, but it is more like the Mass is a rupture in the space time continuum by which the one time sacrifice for sins is being made present at each Mass to receive again and again and again... which in God's eyes in according to Hebrews 10th chapter is still equally offensive when it is being used for paying for sins committed since the last Mass.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's not what I was getting at.
I don't support OSAS.
So, I agree with you.
I quoted that scripture because I believe it dos not support OSAS.

I know T
I was just expounding...

 

[Triumph1300]

Paul agreed that a sinner should be thrown out of church (Corinthians).

Some churches go over board on that one.

I am aware of a couple who were told to leave because
the pastor found out that they were smoking tobacco at home.
That bizarre.
Show me one person in church who is not a sinner.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That's not what I was getting at.
I don't support OSAS.
So, I agree with you.
I quoted that scripture because I believe it dos not support OSAS.

OSAS here.
Any problems?
Let's hear them.
but be honest.
Are you looking for answers or just an argument.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Some churches go over board on that one.

I am aware of a couple who were told to leave because
the pastor found out that they were smoking tobacco at home.
That bizarre.
Show me one person in church who is not a sinner.

Why is tobacco a sin?

 

[GodsGrace]

Dear sister,

Catholics and even former ones, do not see the Mass as sacrificing Him again and again. They see the Mass as a means to make that one time sacrifice for sins "present" in order to be received again and again and again, but in an unbloody manner. To some of us, Protestants, it comes off as sacrificing Him again and again and again, but it is more like the Mass is a rupture in the space time continuum by which the one time sacrifice for sins is being made present at each Mass to receive again and again and again... which in God's eyes in according to Hebrews 10th chapter is still equally offensive when it is being used for paying for sins committed since the last Mass.

OK.
This is a lot closer to what is going on.
OUR WORKS are being offered to God.
It's as if we were standing at the cross...just as you've said very well.
I don't think God is offended if we REMEMBER His son's sacrifice.
I think it's a good idea even for us to remember it every day.

I have to go.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

What does it mean: Endure till the end.

I believe it is referring to the race in keeping our faith in Him for abiding in Him so that we may escape the fire is coming on the earth, and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

Those saints left behind with His seal to suffer the coming great tribulation that survive calamity of fire, He is faithful in keeping their souls to the end.

 

[GodsGrace]

Some churches go over board on that one.

I am aware of a couple who were told to leave because
the pastor found out that they were smoking tobacco at home.
That bizarre.
Show me one person in church who is not a sinner.

churches would be empty!
And I'd run out and never go back!

 

[Helen]

I will generally not correspond with him...he jumped at me with full barrels blasted me u and down on day one on this site...almost did not come back, lol...But God said, "grow a thicker skin" HAha. I see this arguing over and over on here...and most likely on every forum...BOL never holds back, and all I have seen is vitriol and name calling so, I pass over all of them now.
I did hesitate to get into this thread and, prob. should not have. You do know I come from a very Catholic background and ALL of my cousins, Aunts, Uncles and many friends are Catholic. I just wanted to share my opinion, didn't want to attack any person, I am sorry if anybody is offended.

No worries...you don't offend anyone.
Everyone here has a right to post what they believe and their opinion on those things which are not locked down and cannot be proved either way (except be a persons own cherry-picked favourite scriptures.)
If people don't wish , or can't 'take' debate..then the Site is not for them.
Gotta have a thick skin.
The scripture says "Let every mad be persuaded in his own mind."
It doesn't say make everyone else believe how and what you believe. :)

As for BOL , actually even when he disagrees with something...he is not angry unless the other person gets angry or 'shouts'.
He returns like for like...
I have always found him courteous when I have posted to him.
Maybe you just caught him on a bed day.
When he has four people arguing with him...and someone mild like you posts to him...maybe he just presumed it was just another fight. lol

I give him a like now and again, because he actually says some good stuff from time to time. :)

Hugs ....Helen

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe it is referring to the race in keeping our faith in Him for abiding in Him so that we may escape the fire is coming on the earth, and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

Those saints left behind with His seal to suffer the coming great tribulation that survive calamity of fire, He is faithful in keeping their souls to the end.

Not every church or theologian believes in the rapture JIF.
I gotta go. You can't base other doctrine on this supposition...

 

[Triumph1300]

Are you looking for answers or just an argument.

No I am not.
Neither one.

This thing has been discussed millions of times.

 

[Nancy]

It means the Holy Spirit grabbing you by the ankle and pulling you out of the pits of hell just in the nick of time.

Oh good gosh Rollo!!! Yellow? Really??!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

OK.
This is a lot closer to what is going on.
OUR WORKS are being offered to God.
It's as if we were standing at the cross...just as you've said very well.
I don't think God is offended if we REMEMBER His son's sacrifice.
I think it's a good idea even for us to remember it every day.

I have to go.

But, dear sister, that is not what is happening in the Mass. It is one thing to remember His Son's sacrifice, it is another to use that Son's sacrifice made present in order to receive to pay for sins committed since the last Mass as if they are back under the old system of offering but doing it with the Son's blood through the Mass.

 

[Triumph1300]

Why is tobacco a sin?

Bad for your body.

But of course so is over eating.
(Check some sizes in church next time.)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If someone is going to post Catholic doctrine,
it should be CORRECT Catholic doctrine.
I know a monk and priests (3) personally.
I think THEY know if they're resacrificing Jesus at every Mass!

They are sacrificing Jesus at every mass.
You can't believe something for 2000 years and then change it overnight without telling anyone.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Bad for your body.

But of course so is over eating.
(Check some sizes in church next time.)

Bad for the body is not a sin.

 

[Nancy]

No worries...you don't offend anyone.
Everyone here has a right to post what they believe and their opinion on those things which are not locked down and cannot be proved either way (except be a persons own cherry-picked favourite scriptures.)
If people don't wish , or can't 'take' debate..then the Site is not for them.
Gotta have a thick skin.
The scripture says "Let every mad be persuaded in his own mind."
It doesn't say make everyone else believe how and what you believe. :)

As for BOL , actually even when he disagrees with something...he is not angry unless the other person gets angry or 'shouts'.
He returns like for like...
I have always found him courteous when I have posted to him.
Maybe you just caught him on a bed day.
When he has four people arguing with him...and someone mild like you posts to him...maybe he just presumed it was just another fight. lol

I give him a like now and again, because he actually says some good stuff from time to time. :)

Hugs ....Helen

Yes, you are right Helen...I actually have been a tad convicted that I hid him....
BTW-do you think yellow is Rollos color? Ahahaha!!! (his new Avatar) he kills me no end. Lol!! ♥