The Holy Spirit

[Taken]

Sin is stepping out of the spirit within you, and thus outside the will of God. I don’t know if breaking secular law really counts as sin if there is no personal conviction. A conviction of sin is the realization that either an infraction was committed or close to that point regarding God's will for us. If you are not convicted or seared with a conviction I would not consider that sin. Many believers get caught up into thinking that every time they move wrong it might be a sin. Yes, we are more sensitive to sin and that is our lifestyle.

Does a mentally unstable person that kills someone commit sin. I do not think so.

Anyway, in Christ we do not sin anymore. The bridge of perfection to God is sealed.

Bless you,

APAK

QUESTION ~

Say, there IS a LAW...
Gods LAW....or CIVIL man made LAW.

BUT THERE IS ... NO CONSEQUENCE FOR VIOLATING the LAW.

WHAT is the POINT, VALUE, or FORCE and EFFECT of the LAW?

Wouldn't the Force and EFFECT, be VOID ?

Some men WERE NOT UNDER the LAW of Moses. Thus WHAT was their SIN of violating the LAW?

All men WERE BORN in SIN. Thus THEIR SIN, IS DISBELIF IN GOD.

However, IT REQUIRES a man "TO BELIEVE" that God EXISTS, "AND" "THAT" Christ IS GOD, and came among men, in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, Called JESUS, the Son of God....
BEFORE, such man CAN BECOME RELEASED, from the FORCE and EFFECT "of the Law"...or FROM the SIN of Disbelief.

JEWS, WHO, came to believe Christ IS God in the Flesh, BECAME "redeemed" from the EFFECT of the Curse, Sin, LAWS.
Gal 3:13

JEWS, WHO, did not believe Christ IS God in the FLesh, REMAINED "under" the LAW, and the Consequences OF the Curse, Sin, LAWS.

Gentiles, WHO did/do not believe IN God, nor Christ, REMAIN in SIN, of DISBELIEF.

Gentiles, WHO came to BELIEVE IN Christ the Lord Jesus, And, He who sent Him (ie the Heavenly God)....
Are NOT made subject TO THE LAW.
They are NOT capable of ever again NOT BELIEVING IN Christ, or the Heavenly Father God.......NOT BY THEIR OWN ACCORD or POWER.......BUT BY THE POWER OF God, ie the Spirit of Christ, IN THEM, "WHO" Keeps them IN Faith-FULLNESS to THEE;
Lord God Almighty.

What LAW are "THEY" subject TO? None.
What CURSE LAW are "THEY" subject TO? None.

WHAT ARE "THEY" SUBJECT TO? Christ.

And WHAT Does Christ "ASK" such men "TO DO"?

Listen, Hear, Learn, Follow, DO, as He commands.

And WHAT DOES Christ "Command"?

To Obey LAWS? No.

Actually WHAT Christ "ASKS" is for a man "IN CHRIST" "TO DO", is to learn and FOLLOW after DOING, "GODS"....."PRECEPTS".

WHAT is "a" PRECEPT?

A PRECEPT is "a" general rule that "regulates"
"BEHAVIOR" and "THOUGHT".

So, Christ, WHO has redeemed men FROM the Law, and the Curse of the Law, and the Disbelief IN God..........

Now is "asking" such men TO....learn, and do what Scripture Reveals ... IS HIS Precepts.

IS this something NEW? No. OT men UNDER the LAW, were ALSO Taught to listen, learn, hear and do Gods PRECEPTS.

Neh 9:14
Makest known to them thy holy sabbath, and Commandest them.....
PRECEPTS, statues, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant.

PSS 119:27
Make me to UNDERSTAND the WAY of thy PRECEPTS....SO
Shall I TALK of THY wonderous Works.

Isa 28:10
For PRECEPT must be upon PRECEPT, PRECEPT upon PRECEPT;
Line upon line, Here a little, and there a little.

Becoming SUBJECT "TO CHRIST" is one thing. And it releases a man from SUBJECTION TO the LAW, and the CURSES of the LAW, and the sentence of damnination FOR disbelief....

But PRECEPTS are ONGOING, continually, FOR a MAN "IN CHRIST".....and the EFFECT of accomplishing the PRECEPTS is "BECAUSE" of the POWER of God WITHIN the man.

Also MEN are WARNED, ABOUT, confusing CHRIST'S PRECEPTS, with "man made" Precepts. Which falls in line with a man being "snared" by FALSE prophets.

Thus, LEARNING and KNOWING Christ's Precepts IS PARAMOUNT, for one to NOT BECOME "snared", by WHAT false Teachers teach.
Isa 28:13

AND....WHAT IS the Consequence FOR A MAN (IN CHRIST) WHO DOES FOLLOW Christ's Precepts?

A Spiritual Walk in Perfection WITH the Lord.

AND....WHAT IS the Consequence FOR A MAN (IN CHRIST) WHO DOES "NOT" FOLLOW Christ's Precepts?

Loss of Spiritual Blessings being STORED UP in Heaven!

And WHAT do "Christian's" routinely CLAIM?
They are IN CHRIST, yet HAVE NOT BEEN redeemed FROM SIN.....as they CLAIM to continually SIN....And they make the Lord a Liar.

And Further, they MAKE CLAIMS FOR OTHER men IN CHRIST....claiming the OTHER MEN, have not been redeemed FROM SIN...claiming others, also continue to SIN.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

And WHAT DOES Christ "Command"?

To Obey LAWS? No.

Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.

 

[APAK]

QUESTION ~

Say, there IS a LAW...
Gods LAW....or CIVIL man made LAW.

BUT THERE IS ... NO CONSEQUENCE FOR VIOLATING the LAW.

WHAT is the POINT, VALUE, or FORCE and EFFECT of the LAW?

Wouldn't the Force and EFFECT, be VOID ?

Some men WERE NOT UNDER the LAW of Moses. Thus WHAT was their SIN of violating the LAW?

All men WERE BORN in SIN. Thus THEIR SIN, IS DISBELIF IN GOD.

However, IT REQUIRES a man "TO BELIEVE" that God EXISTS, "AND" "THAT" Christ IS GOD, and came among men, in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, Called JESUS, the Son of God....
BEFORE, such man CAN BECOME RELEASED, from the FORCE and EFFECT "of the Law"...or FROM the SIN of Disbelief.

JEWS, WHO, came to believe Christ IS God in the Flesh, BECAME "redeemed" from the EFFECT of the Curse, Sin, LAWS.
Gal 3:13

JEWS, WHO, did not believe Christ IS God in the FLesh, REMAINED "under" the LAW, and the Consequences OF the Curse, Sin, LAWS.

Gentiles, WHO did/do not believe IN God, nor Christ, REMAIN in SIN, of DISBELIEF.

Gentiles, WHO came to BELIEVE IN Christ the Lord Jesus, And, He who sent Him (ie the Heavenly God)....
Are NOT made subject TO THE LAW.
They are NOT capable of ever again NOT BELIEVING IN Christ, or the Heavenly Father God.......NOT BY THEIR OWN ACCORD or POWER.......BUT BY THE POWER OF God, ie the Spirit of Christ, IN THEM, "WHO" Keeps them IN Faith-FULLNESS to THEE;
Lord God Almighty.

What LAW are "THEY" subject TO? None.
What CURSE LAW are "THEY" subject TO? None.

WHAT ARE "THEY" SUBJECT TO? Christ.

And WHAT Does Christ "ASK" such men "TO DO"?

Listen, Hear, Learn, Follow, DO, as He commands.

And WHAT DOES Christ "Command"?

To Obey LAWS? No.

Actually WHAT Christ "ASKS" is for a man "IN CHRIST" "TO DO", is to learn and FOLLOW after DOING, "GODS"....."PRECEPTS".

WHAT is "a" PRECEPT?

A PRECEPT is "a" general rule that "regulates"
"BEHAVIOR" and "THOUGHT".

So, Christ, WHO has redeemed men FROM the Law, and the Curse of the Law, and the Disbelief IN God..........

Now is "asking" such men TO....learn, and do what Scripture Reveals ... IS HIS Precepts.

IS this something NEW? No. OT men UNDER the LAW, were ALSO Taught to listen, learn, hear and do Gods PRECEPTS.

Neh 9:14
Makest known to them thy holy sabbath, and Commandest them.....
PRECEPTS, statues, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant.

PSS 119:27
Make me to UNDERSTAND the WAY of thy PRECEPTS....SO
Shall I TALK of THY wonderous Works.

Isa 28:10
For PRECEPT must be upon PRECEPT, PRECEPT upon PRECEPT;
Line upon line, Here a little, and there a little.

Becoming SUBJECT "TO CHRIST" is one thing. And it releases a man from SUBJECTION TO the LAW, and the CURSES of the LAW, and the sentence of damnination FOR disbelief....

But PRECEPTS are ONGOING, continually, FOR a MAN "IN CHRIST".....and the EFFECT of accomplishing the PRECEPTS is "BECAUSE" of the POWER of God WITHIN the man.

Also MEN are WARNED, ABOUT, confusing CHRIST'S PRECEPTS, with "man made" Precepts. Which falls in line with a man being "snared" by FALSE prophets.

Thus, LEARNING and KNOWING Christ's Precepts IS PARAMOUNT, for one to NOT BECOME "snared", by WHAT false Teachers teach.
Isa 28:13

AND....WHAT IS the Consequence FOR A MAN (IN CHRIST) WHO DOES FOLLOW Christ's Precepts?

A Spiritual Walk in Perfection WITH the Lord.

AND....WHAT IS the Consequence FOR A MAN (IN CHRIST) WHO DOES "NOT" FOLLOW Christ's Precepts?

Loss of Spiritual Blessings being STORED UP in Heaven!

And WHAT do "Christian's" routinely CLAIM?
They are IN CHRIST, yet HAVE NOT BEEN redeemed FROM SIN.....as they CLAIM to continually SIN....And they make the Lord a Liar.

And Further, they MAKE CLAIMS FOR OTHER men IN CHRIST....claiming the OTHER MEN, have not been redeemed FROM SIN...claiming others, also continue to SIN.

God Bless,
Taken

Taken:

Let me see how to approach your queries..

1. I completely agree with you that there are those that profess they are ‘In Christ’ although they have not been redeemed from sin, and they most probably claim to continue to say they are sinners if forced into a ‘corner.’ They are false believers that produce false fruit.

2. I also agree with you that these false believers also attempt to speak or persuade genuine believers that they are still sinners as they still consider themselves sinners. Of course, I believe I do not sin today. I do know these false teachers, even on this site.

3. Now the parts that I do not agree with you on is this area you wrote…

“However, IT REQUIRES a man "TO BELIEVE" that God EXISTS, "AND" "THAT" Christ IS GOD, and came among men, in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, Called JESUS, the Son of God....
BEFORE, such man CAN BECOME RELEASED, from the FORCE and EFFECT "of the Law"...or FROM the SIN of Disbelief.

JEWS, WHO, came to believe Christ IS God in the Flesh, BECAME "redeemed" from the EFFECT of the Curse, Sin, LAWS.
Gal 3:13

JEWS, WHO, did not believe Christ IS God in the FLesh, REMAINED "under" the LAW, and the Consequences OF the Curse, Sin, LAWS.

Gentiles, WHO did/do not believe IN God, nor Christ, REMAIN in SIN, of DISBELIEF.”

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And the simple and yet pivotal disagreement in this text is based on ‘who is Christ?’ I believe Jesus Christ was and is never God Almighty today, period!

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Taken]

The Bakers..TV folks...well they did profess to be in Christ...their fruits were still false...sorry about that one.

The Bakker's....I don't read much about either having Confessed to Belief IN Christ.

But I have read their history of having both "ATTENDED" a Bible College, then leaving the College, marrying and beginning a Ministery.

As far as Jim...through his being accused, investigated, trials, convictions, retrials, etc...
He admitted serving time in prison was the first time he actually READ the Bible, and was ashamed and repentant for having been preaching from lack of knowledge and understanding.

As far as Tammy...she appears to have continued to be supportative of homosexuality and her poor her bouts with cancer. Can't say, she exposed herself as having a true commitment unto Chirst.

Only Christ knows their hearts.

However one thing appears blatantly clear...
THEY did not Learn or build their ministery upon the Precepts of Christ. Rather seemingly appear to have built them a mega financial cushion on Christ's NAME, rather than having intent to Glorify His Name.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Taken:
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And the simple and yet pivotal disagreement in this text is based on ‘who is Christ?’ I believe Jesus Christ was and is never God Almighty today, period!

Bless you,

APAK

I can reveal to you, my perspective, and WHY.

Speaking directly to WHAT is the "MIGHT" of God. I fully Believe Gods MIGHT, IS HIS Power.

Further, saying "ALMIGHTY", simply verifies TO ME, that Gods POWER, IS "ALL" inclusive of ALL Power.

Saying that GOD "IS" POWER, and nothing He has created "HAS POWER", lest IT be Power, received "FROM" God, Thee "ALL-MIGHTY".

Also throughout Scripture we find "NAMES" and "TITLES".

Names, men "receive" from "others". Also "names" men "elect" to CALL themselves.
The same with "titles". Some titles men "receive" from "others". Also "titles" men "elect" to CALL themselves.

I do not FIND "multiple" names or "multiple" titles, OF ONE MAN, dictating ONE man Becoming "MULTIPLE" men.

I apply the SAME understanding TOWARD God. He declares for Himself MANY Names, and MANY Titles, which I do not believe MAKES Him "MULTIPLE" Gods.

Scripture reveals the NAME God calls ...
His Word......is JESUS.
John 1:1
His Power.....is CHRIST.
1 Cor 1:24

I simply trust that is true.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

if i have to breathe the exhaust from them, probably, yes
Gov issued notes? lol. Kennedy tried that; after Lincoln did.
Where did you get this idea? The Gov does not issue notes, and anyone who tries, dies

"Federal Reserve"
not Federal, zero "reserves" wadr.
The note you use is a "Federal Reserve Note," a promissory note, a loan made at interest

so you tell me

No you do not go TO the Federal Reserve and receive "notes" from THEM.

The Government IS the middle man, between the Federal Reserve and the Banks.

The Banks ARE the middle man, between the Authority of the Government and the Federal Reserve to issue notes to a Bank, upon which YOU can receive Government Authorized notes from the Bank.

Is that a SIN? I don't see it as a SIN.

IS it "jacked up" on how the Government has corrupted the INTENDED protocol of Govt issued Bills? Absolutely.

IS it a surprise that men "jack up" something intended for GOOD, to become corrupted? No.

The same thing happens with things "God intended for GOOD"....that men jack that up too.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.

I don't OWE money!!
MONEY does not BUY my Liberty IN Christ!

What does EVERY MAN OWE, and EVERY MAN SHALL PAY?

It IS "HIS LIFE".
And WHAT IS "HIS LIFE"?
IT IS "HIS BLOOD".

And When a man PAYS what HE OWES...
The mans BODY BECOMES...."DEAD".

AND....what IS the AWESOME Grace of God?
That a man "CAN PAY HIS DEBT of HIS LIFE" TO God, THROUGH Christ, BY....
"Becoming CRUCIFIED "IN CHIRST"...

The man's BODY becomes....
Dead, dead, dead....crucified IN Christ...

And that same man, continues IN bodily LIFE....HOW? IN Christ Jesus' BODY, which IS ALIVE.

So what is this penny you keep saying....I have to consider PAYING?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

those who speak for the oppressed? something like that

Sounds like you are referencing ADVOCACY.

Sure people can be Compassoniate toward others who ARE oppressed.
That is scriptural

Sure people can start a group, or champion themselves to be passionate toward others who are oppressed....and even ASK others to contribute TO "their" cause.....and others can cheerfully give....or not.
That is Scriptural.

And even that can BE CORRUPTED, by so called Advocates who solicite a corrupt Government and FORCE OTHERS to be the FINANCIAL piggy bank .... FOR the "advocates" passionate "IDEAS".
"THAT" IS NOT scriptural....nor, BTW, Constitutional.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

The Government IS the middle man

hmm, imo they are actually their best customer, but you have to define "leave the world" however seems best to you

you know what happened to Puerto Rico? On PTV last night? You're next, ok?

 

[twinc]

Taken:

Let me see how to approach your queries..

1. I completely agree with you that there are those that profess they are ‘In Christ’ although they have not been redeemed from sin, and they most probably claim to continue to say they are sinners if forced into a ‘corner.’ They are false believers that produce false fruit.

2. I also agree with you that these false believers also attempt to speak or persuade genuine believers that they are still sinners as they still consider themselves sinners. Of course, I believe I do not sin today. I do know these false teachers, even on this site.

3. Now the parts that I do not agree with you on is this area you wrote…

“However, IT REQUIRES a man "TO BELIEVE" that God EXISTS, "AND" "THAT" Christ IS GOD, and came among men, in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, Called JESUS, the Son of God....
BEFORE, such man CAN BECOME RELEASED, from the FORCE and EFFECT "of the Law"...or FROM the SIN of Disbelief.

JEWS, WHO, came to believe Christ IS God in the Flesh, BECAME "redeemed" from the EFFECT of the Curse, Sin, LAWS.
Gal 3:13

JEWS, WHO, did not believe Christ IS God in the FLesh, REMAINED "under" the LAW, and the Consequences OF the Curse, Sin, LAWS.

Gentiles, WHO did/do not believe IN God, nor Christ, REMAIN in SIN, of DISBELIEF.”

-----------------

And the simple and yet pivotal disagreement in this text is based on ‘who is Christ?’ I believe Jesus Christ was and is never God Almighty today, period!

Bless you,

APAK

so here we have it in para 1 and 2 - so called 'believers' who have convinced themselves and attempt to convince others that even grieving the Holy Spirit does not make them enemies of God or even sinners - beware of these false sinless teachers - twinc

 

[Taken]

hmm, imo they are actually their best customer, but you have to define "leave the world" however seems best to you

Why do I have to define Your Words?
I have no clue if you are quoting something or in what context is your comment.

you know what happened to Puerto Rico? On PTV last night? You're next, ok?

Are you speaking of Puerto Rico being hit by a hurricane? What about it?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

What about it?

ah the financial hurricane, ya...the other is prolly just a manifestation...
as above, so below

 

[pia]

yes, we're all swimming in sin,

Isn't that the truth ! So if we could all come to that realization, that without what He did for us, we would all be doomed, regardless of how 'good' we try to be...:)

 

[Taken]

so here we have it in para 1 and 2 - so called 'believers' who have convinced themselves and attempt to convince others that even grieving the Holy Spirit does not make them enemies of God or even sinners - beware of these false sinless teachers - twinc

What is a .... AND Who are these...

false "SINLESS" teachers"

??

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

ah the financial hurricane, ya...the other is prolly just a manifestation...
as above, so below

What is your point ?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[twinc]

Taken:

Let me see how to approach your queries..

1. I completely agree with you that there are those that profess they are ‘In Christ’ although they have not been redeemed from sin, and they most probably claim to continue to say they are sinners if forced into a ‘corner.’ They are false believers that produce false fruit.

2. I also agree with you that these false believers also attempt to speak or persuade genuine believers that they are still sinners as they still consider themselves sinners. Of course, I believe I do not sin today. I do know these false teachers, even on this site.

3. Now the parts that I do not agree with you on is this area you wrote…

“However, IT REQUIRES a man "TO BELIEVE" that God EXISTS, "AND" "THAT" Christ IS GOD, and came among men, in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, Called JESUS, the Son of God....
BEFORE, such man CAN BECOME RELEASED, from the FORCE and EFFECT "of the Law"...or FROM the SIN of Disbelief.

JEWS, WHO, came to believe Christ IS God in the Flesh, BECAME "redeemed" from the EFFECT of the Curse, Sin, LAWS.
Gal 3:13

JEWS, WHO, did not believe Christ IS God in the FLesh, REMAINED "under" the LAW, and the Consequences OF the Curse, Sin, LAWS.

Gentiles, WHO did/do not believe IN God, nor Christ, REMAIN in SIN, of DISBELIEF.”

-----------------

And the simple and yet pivotal disagreement in this text is based on ‘who is Christ?’ I believe Jesus Christ was and is never God Almighty today, period!

Bless you,

APAK

 

[twinc]

Jesus Christ = God Almighty = alpha and Omega = Rev 4 - twinc

 

[twinc]

Isn't that the truth ! So if we could all come to that realization, that without what He did for us, we would all be doomed, regardless of how 'good' we try to be...:)

agreed exactly so - twinc

 

[twinc]

What is a .... AND Who are these...



??

God Bless,
Taken

these are those who claim to be born again sinless wonders who think they are qualified to stone other Christians - twinc

 

[Taken]

these are those who claim to be born again sinless wonders who think they are qualified to stone other Christians - twinc

Either that is out of the blue and has nothing to do with the conversation....or you have someone particular in mind...

I have not seen anyone claim to be sinless...
....so what's up with that?

And who and how is other Christians getting "stoned"?

God Bless,
Taken