Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[aspen]

#2137 is crystal clear

 

[Taken]

#2137 is crystal clear

#2137 says you had a misunderstanding of what?

What lead you to such a misunderstanding?
I have said nothing to mislead.

 

[aspen]

Since when are you singularly responsible for people misunderstanding you? Misunderstanding happen apart from being mislead. I thought you were claiming that the physical body was evil, implying that the spirit was not evil - I misunderstood you - it happens

 

[Taken]

Since when are you singularly responsible for people misunderstanding you? Misunderstanding happen apart from being mislead. I thought you were claiming that the physical body was evil, implying that the spirit was not evil - I misunderstood you - it happens

Okay, a non-issue.

My stance is:
The physical body is spiritually addressed, BY the Lord, when a man is converted.

 

[Dcopymope]

Why? Although unrequited love may be painful for one party, doesn't mean that his/her love is any less effective. Did God love us before sin, after sin, or both? Does our response to that love change His attitude toward us? I think not. His love for us is unconditional...agape. It is that agape love that is shed abroad from us through His Spirit within.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love (agape) of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
This is self sacrificial love. The same love with which God honours us. It is not only possible that we can have this love for others, but as Paul declares above, promised.

:) Yeah, well I hope you have fun casting your 'self sacrificial love' to dogs and vipers. I tend to give dogs and vipers the "love" they desire, and no, its not quite like "eye for an eye". ;)

 

[mjrhealth]

My friend it must be our own connection with Him in the Way that God has given to us... even if someone else's way of connecting really is different.
Give God the glory!

Back to the "lowest room"

Amen

 

[brakelite]

:) Yeah, well I hope you have fun casting your 'self sacrificial love' to dogs and vipers. I tend to give dogs and vipers the "love" they desire, and no, its not quite like "eye for an eye". ;)

Which of the martyrs do you think who gave their lives for Christ, did not love their persecutors? Methinks that if they didn't, their connection with Christ would be suspect.
Romans 5:6-8
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8

 

[Dcopymope]

Which of the martyrs do you think who gave their lives for Christ, did not love their persecutors? Methinks that if they didn't, their connection with Christ would be suspect.
Romans 5:6-8
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8

:) Where did I say I didn't love dogs and vipers? Of course I express love for them to a degree, they are creations of God afterall. Its just that with my love there is a line that is not to be crossed. If that line is crossed, you better be ready to catch these hands, and a bullet square in the dome.

 

[brakelite]

:) Where did I say I didn't love dogs and vipers? Of course I express love for them to a degree, they are creations of God afterall. Its just that with my love there is a line that is not to be crossed. If that line is crossed, you better be ready to catch these hands, and a bullet square in the dome.

LOL, okay I think I am getting you. I think it pertinent to remember that even when Jesus was calling the Jewish rulers a brood of vipers, He was still loving them. One could extend that to the final execution. It is going to sadden God...His 'strange act'...to finally and forever destroy sinners, but even love in that situation demands granting sinners that which they cherished their whole lives...separation from God.

 

[bbyrd009]

:) Yeah, well I hope you have fun casting your 'self sacrificial love' to dogs and vipers. I tend to give dogs and vipers the "love" they desire, and no, its not quite like "eye for an eye". ;)

well then could you describe any difference? ty

:) Where did I say I didn't love dogs and vipers? Of course I express love for them to a degree, they are creations of God afterall. Its just that with my love there is a line that is not to be crossed. If that line is crossed, you better be ready to catch these hands, and a bullet square in the dome.

ah, nevermind then gotcha

 

[Heb 13:8]

And again - this has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the false Protestant invention of OSAS.
Focus . . .

It's because of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ that we have eternal security. Read again.

OSAS Language
1. we are then found to be false witnesses about God
2. you are still in your sins
3. those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost
4. If only for this life
5. an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade
6. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you
7. shielded by God’s power

1 Cor 15:12-19 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

1 Pet 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

- God Bless.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's because of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ that we have eternal security. Read again.

OSAS Language
1. we are then found to be false witnesses about God
2. you are still in your sins
3. those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost
4. If only for this life
5. an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade
6. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you
7. shielded by God’s power

1 Cor 15:12-19 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

1 Pet 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

- God Bless.

NOTHING you posted says that you are secure forever without your cooperation.
The following verse, however, show that our cooperation is necessary . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory - even to a blind person . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot "blot out" a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God "take away" somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

 

[Heb 13:8]

NOTHING you posted says that you are secure forever without your cooperation.
The following verse, however, show that our cooperation is necessary . . .

That's the lie the devil's feeding you. We "cooperate" because of thankfulness, not works. - Heb 13:8

Col 2:6-8 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 7rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. 8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

Heb 12:28-29 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29for our “God is a consuming fire.”

 

[Triumph1300]

Wow....So, you disregard the scriptures BOL quoted?
These scriptures don't mean nothing to you....( because you have no comment on those)...?

 

[Heb 13:8]

Wow....So, you disregard the scriptures BOL quoted?
These scriptures don't mean nothing to you....( because you have no comment on those)...?

Apr 3, pg 92, post #1831 . God bless.

 

[Taken]

That's the lie the devil's feeding you. We "cooperate" because of thankfulness, not works. - Heb 13:8

Agree.

We WHO HAVE received salvation and a quickened spirit, have also received the Forever indwelling HS. WE, 'Cooperate" with the Lord...according to HIS POWER that keeps us and directs us to DO, WHAT HE SHALL HAVE US DO....not by our ideas and power, or what other men think we should do...BUT by The Lord and His Power.

BOL can not accept several things, thus he can not understand. ( and he is NOT alone ).

1) When discussing spiritual things, carnal things do not enter the equation.

2) A Christian is a follower of Christ's teachings. Christian does not always MEAN, the person has become saved or born again.

3) A man who IS following Christ's teachings;
IS called a Christian.
And then rejects His teachings, BEFORE he is saved and born again, is a man who has fallen from Faith, and lost his Salvation.

4) A man WHO has become Saved and Born Again, IS also called a Christian; and can never lose those Gifts; BECAUSE receiving those Gifts; ALSO MEANS the man receives the FOREVER INDWELLING Gift of the Holy Spirit.

5) Once the Holy Spirit IS Dwelling IN A MAN, It is the Holy Spirit's Power, that KEEPS the man's gifts of Salvation and Born Again Forever.......BECAUSE the Holy Spirit WILL FOREVER remain "WITHIN" that man.

6) During Jesus' Day, many Jews were following Jesus' teachings. A Few continued, BUT many fell away. (Same today).

7) Many Jews RETURNED to following Jewish Laws and traditions, OF HOW TO Please God and Be in Favor WITH God, that IF THEY endured to their Life's end, WITH HIS FAVOR, of obeying, the LAW, they WOULD BE SAVED.

8) The Choice of a Gentile was Believe and Become Saved and Born Again IMMEDIATELY, by the Offering of Jesus' Body, and His Blood, to Forgive ALL their Sins, killed their body, restore their soul, quicken their spirit, and His Spirit dwell within them and Keep them Forever.

9) The Choice of a Jew, IS the Same, but most Jews REJECT the Lord Jesus, SO THUS, can not RECEIVE, Forgiveness of ALL of their Sins, receive their Salvation, or a quickened spirit, or His INDWELLING Holy Spirit.
They MUST endure to their end, Doing what pleases God, according to the Law, WHICH IS DOING good works, according to the Law.
And IF THEY do not do good works; It is called a SIN unto them; and the Punishment FOR SUCH SIN, is also with in the curse Laws.

10) A man WHO believes and HAS given his life to Christ the Lord; IS forgiven of ALL sins.
He is Kept From Sin, by the Power of the HS.
He can not sin.

11) His lack of "works" is not accounted as a Sin. If he does a "work" that is not glorifying to God, such "works" shall be burned.

12) His doing of "works" that IS glorifying to the Lord, IS accounted as Good Works and shall be rewarded.

13) So a saved and born again mans WORKS, are either burned or rewarded. They are not accounted as SINS.

14) For a Jew, who was under the Law, WHO accepted Jesus....Jesus redeemed them FROM the curses (SIN) "OF" the Law.

15) They could still follow their traditions, remembering Passover and such. But the Temple was destroyed. And ONLY in a Temple in Jerusalem was Animal Blood offered. There is no more animal blood offering. The Jews have no place to do that. And Jesus, redeemed the Jews from being SUBJECT to those Curse (sin, punishment) LAWS.
Gal 3:13
And Gentiles were Never subject to the Laws of Moses or the Curse Laws of the Priest Aaron.

16) A Gentiles Sins were DISBELIEF in God and His Messiah and His Holy Spirit.
And corrupting of their soul, in their natural born corrupt flesh.

17) Once a Gentile HEARTFULLY BELIEVES IN, God, His Messiah Jesus, and His HS Power Christ....
"AND" submits his LIFE to Christ the Lord Jesus.... He becomes gifted with Salvation and a Quickened spirit and Gods Holy Spirit...
FOREVER.

18) A Gentile absolutely can and should LEARN all of the things in Scripture of Gods Precepts, that DO glorify God.

19) If a man DOES those things, he shall be rewarded. If a man DOES NOT Do those things, his works shall be burned. That simple.

When a carnal man SPEAKS of Spiritual things, with Carnal terminology and a Carnal understanding, he MUDDLES Gods Spiritual Understanding, reducing it to a mans Carnal Understanding.

Mans Carnal understanding IS BUT FOOLISHNESS to God....and also foolish to anyone WHO HAS Gods Spiritual Understanding.

A Carnal man uses general double meaning words....such as:

A Christian...can be...
a follower or a saved & born man

Not under the Law....BUT claims he commits sin, others commit sin...WHICH IS under the Law.

Cooperation...Another useless term for a saved and born again man.

Jews under the Law, must do what the law says..(ie cooperate} or suffer the consequences of the Curse sin laws...which jeopardizes them being a GOOD servant (according TO the Law)...and may affect them receiving Salvation at the end of their lives.

No man can KEEP the Law...Hello..MEN FAIL!
Which is WHY under the Law, they REPEATEDLY required FORGIVENESS.

Repeatedly Requiring Forgiveness...Hello...It is a temporary forgiveness...

A man saved and born again, IS NOT KEPT in doing what Pleases God....BY HIS OWN, "trying really hard"...that FAILS. Man under his own power......Hello....IS WEAK, FAILS.

A man saved and born again, IS KEPT, by the Power of the HS.
That man SERVES the Lord doing Works....that the Lord Himself gifts the man with the POWER, to do works pleasing to God.

They are NOT all the exact same works, same "assignments" for every individual. But it is BY the SAME one HS the man is gifted Power.
1 Cor 12: 4, 8, 9

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Heb 13:8]

A man saved and born again, IS KEPT, by the Power of the HS.

1Pe 1:4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

Jde 1:1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

 

[Taken]

the false Protestant invention of OSAS.
Focus . . .

Elaborate....

When was this supposed false invention established?

What Protestant established this supposed false invention?

What were the facts, premise, reasoning for this supposed false invention?

Didn't you claim you were Saved?

And then didn't you claim you were in the process of being Saved?

Which is it?

And what exactly does Catholics teach Salvation means?

I'm sure you being such a proficient self-proclaimed teacher, you will have no problem answering such simple questions without too much fuss and fanfair. IOW, direct and to the point without adding irrelevant options and back patting and finger pointing.

 

[tabletalk]

Once saved is forever as long as you keep yourself saved.
I'd like to know where you read that you're saved forever.
Where did Jesus say this?
Even Paul gave conditions to being saved.

And if you have any doubt as to what Paul said or meant, which many theologians and bible scholars do, BTW, maybe you could refer back to Jesus words since He's the one who hung on that cross.

You said: '...as long as you keep yourself saved.'

So, if you develop Alzheimer's Disease and then you chose to deny Christ and reject Him. What then?
You have not kept 'yourself saved', as you proclaim above.
You have lost your salvation.

If you chose it, you can lose it.

 

[GodsGrace]

You said: '...as long as you keep yourself saved.'

So, if you develop Alzheimer's Disease and then you chose to deny Christ and reject Him. What then?
You have not kept 'yourself saved', as you proclaim above.
You have lost your salvation.

If you chose it, you can lose it.

I believe we have free will.
I believe that free will is not taken away when we become born again.
Adam and Eve had free will to eat the forbidden fruit.
They had free will to disobey God.
Unless you can show me WHEN or HOW we lost this free will, I'll have to believe that we have free will to both choose God and forsake God.

As long as we choose God and stay with God, we are saved.
If we choose, through our free will, to forsake God, then we are no longer saved.
So yes, we can choose it and we can lose it.

There's a lot of scripture for this, but for the purpose of saving time, I'll just copy and paste what @BreadOfLife posted:

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”


Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.


Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.


1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."


2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.

The bible makes the following clear:
1. We have free will.
2. God reveals Himself first, but WE must, through our own free will, choose Him.
3. If we do not remain in Him, we lose our salvation.

Faith = Salvation
No Faith = No Salvation