Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.
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Im trying but the people are trying..... good thing God is patient with man, because i would have just started al lover again, and said "stuff it ill give them no choice" but bet you they will still complain", we dont want to be saved by grace, we demand we do it our way, " it wont change a thing.
Taken
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You and your friend should have learned this life is not a contest between men.
I have already won the prize.
Taken
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Not sure what YOU think to love perfectly means.
However according to Scritpure, yes I love perfectly, BECAUSE I do not live in fear.
My friend it must be our own connection with Him in the Way that God has given to us... even if someone else's way of connecting really is different.
Give God the glory!
Back to the "lowest room"
Why? Although unrequited love may be painful for one party, doesn't mean that his/her love is any less effective. Did God love us before sin, after sin, or both? Does our response to that love change His attitude toward us? I think not. His love for us is unconditional...agape. It is that agape love that is shed abroad from us through His Spirit within.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love (agape) of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
This is self sacrificial love. The same love with which God honours us. It is not only possible that we can have this love for others, but as Paul declares above, promised.
Taken
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Spiritually - God IS Love.
Carnally - Man decides what he Loves, by reactions and feelings.
Spiritually - God loves all of his creations.
Carnally - Man begins in fear. Fear of God, fear of other men. Fear of strangers. Fear of quicksand. Fear of guns. Fear of loss, of jobs, money, family, friends, health, death, faith, on and on.
Spiritually - God alone has the solution to ALL of mankinds fears.
Carnally - A man can learn, and accept Gods solution.........or not.
A "perfect love" is a Spiritual Love, BY a man WHO has accepted "Gods Solution".
It has "nothing to do with "conditions" a carnal man sets.
It has "everything to do with" "the Condition" of a man "subjecting himself" to the Lords "presence" and "power" within a man.
There are certainly conditions to love, and I just roll my eyes at anyone claiming otherwise.
Carnally...I agree....men pick and choose.
Spiritually...I disagree...love God and all men.
God Bless,
Taken
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Taken
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Agree - God IS patient.
The warning IS - Every individual man IS on a TIMEFRAME.
The teaching IS - Man does not KNOW the TIMEFRAME his hour of opportunity will close.
The teaching IS - TO man;IS to "NOT DALLY"..."TO" Get to getting....learn, follow along, experience, choose to become Conformed By Christ, In Christ.....or DIE without having Effected receiving the Lords gifts.
That simple.
^^ That is the "EFFECT"...of a man WHO claims to have CHOSEN to become Conformed By Christ, In Christ... "BUT"
challenges Christ's .......Trustworthiness.
Review the conversations...
Review What the Lord Himself has CALIMED is the EFFECT for a man Conformed...... forgiven, saved, born again man .......
Review the responses toward a man WHO claims TO TRUST the Lords EFFECT of the man being;
Conformed, forgiven, saved, born again.
Responses.....wrong, lies, liar, stupid...
Negative, negative, negative.
Their WAY...IS doubletongued...doublemindedness
Gods WAY...IS
doubled honor, gifts, blessings.
God Bless,
Taken
Taken
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Yes.
God created all things for HIS pleasure, and for HIM. God Loves all of HIS creations.
Men pick and choose WHICH of Gods creations they will Love.
God says...to a man....Hey man...I want you LOVE all of my creations.
Man says....but, but, but, I don't even LIKE all of your creations, or even KNOW all of your creations....how can I LOVE what I do not like, or know, or know of?
God chuckles....ya, ya, man...that's correct; you do not Like, or know, all of my creations.
But "I" the "Lord" DO KNOW EVERYTHING!
And "I" the "Lord" SHALL BE YOUR STRENGTH, YOUR STRONGHOLD, YOUR TRUTH.....CHOOSE ME, to BE "your Lord, your God"....and "I" the "Lord"....SHALL BE IN YOU, that YOU by "MY POWER" SHALL LOVE,
All of "my" creations, "AS" "I" "your Lord, your God", loves all of "MY" creations."
"AS"....and HOW "IS" THAT?
How DOES God Love ALL of His creations..
With a Pure perfect Love...?
He LETS THEM CHOOSE to Love Him or Not.
All He loves.
All He blesses.
All He allows them to be ignorant.
All He allows them to REJECT Him.
All He deals with JUSTLY.
And mankind can do the exact SAME.
Some He hates.
Some He is disappointed in.
Some He rejects.
Some He saves.
Some He gives His Seed.
Some He is forever With Them.
Some He is forever Without Them.
God Bless,
Taken
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um, yes? You just don't really get Christ, or what? Don't even Pagans love their friends?
Taken
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Point is carnal, human, natural love IS based on feelings, conditions, situations, etc.
Gods Love has NO conditions...it just IS.
Men can NOT by their own power...love all of Gods creations...it is Because of His "indwelling" Power that a man CAN love all of Gods creations.
God Bless,
Taken
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I get what you are saying...
Men consider "perfection", without fault, without error.
Men "judge" men, and determine a man's "perfection", by their carnal observation, is not possible with a man.
Enter God - into the equation.
First thing God does TO convert a man;
IS...Forgive the man.
IS...Then KILL that mans body.
IS...Then wash, sanctify, keep, preserve, hold that mans body in justification to be glorified.
IS...Then restore the mans corrupt soul, back to good.
IS...Then give the man a new circumcised heart.
IS..Then give that man His SEED, to birth the man a new pure faithful forever spirit.
IS...Then Dwells within the man with HIS OWN Spirit.
IS...Then continues teaching the man His knowledge, wisdom, understanding. OF His precepts of HOW a MAN CAN BE a faithful Servant "OF" God, in an effort that other men will also CHOOSE to become forgiven, saved, and born of God.
THAT IS Gods Perfection for a man!
IT IS a man Walking in his spirit, WITH Gods Spirit, in a WAY that glorifies God.
Perfection of a man, is NOT according to MEN.
It IS according to God. What He determines is acceptable and Pertect TO Him. And that IS achieved, BY and WITH, the Power of God IN A MAN.
Gen 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him,
I AM the ALMIGHTY GOD:
"WALK" before me, and BE thou Perfect.
Gal 5:16
This I say then, "WALK" in the "Spirit",
And ye shall NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Perfection in a man IS accomplished by the Lords Power, BEING "IN and WITH" the Lord.
And ^ is accomplished By the Grace of Gods Forgiveness, His Power to Convert a Man, and His Truth that He WILL FOREVER be "WITH" the man.
God Bless,
Taken
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Correct...it Does have to do with Trusting Gods Word of What He says He will Do, He Does.
BOL is effectively teaching; Gods Word is True.....
"BUT" ...
you can NOT TRUST His Word...
"until" "you" CAN SEE..
(like "he" is Waiting to SEE)
what God has accomplished in a man.
BLO parrots his Church teaching....
Wait to SEE.
And Why he must first preface, OSAS, is not true. Because anyone who believes OSAS, is not like him, and does NOT WAIT TO SEE...
THEY TRUST Gods Word.
They TRUST God has Already Accomplished, what they can not SEE with their earthly eyes.
John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast SEEN me,
Thou has believed;
BLESSED are they which have not SEEN,
And yet HAVE BELIEVED.
We can not SEE Jesus, SEE His forgiveness, SEE Him restoring our souls, SEE Him circumcising our hearts, SEE Him giving us His SEED, SEE our new spirit, SEE His Spirit enter us....BUT YET, SOME can BELIEVE, WITHOUT SEEING.
Clearly BOL who has appointed himself a Catholic teacher, teaches a Catholic doctrine of one MUST wait to SEE, before they can BELIEVE a man IS forgiven, IS saved, IS born of God, IS freed from SIN, IS acceptable to God, IS with his Lord his God forever.
God Bless,
Taken
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Taken
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I do not know what gnostics believe.
You imply they believe the body is not evil.
I state flat out the body IS NATURALLY BORN IN SIN.
Does that sound like a gnostic belief?
I further have stated the BY THE Converion of the Lord......that BODY of SIN, becomes DEAD, Washed, Cleansed, Sanctified, Preserved WITH the Lord.
Does that sound like a gnostic belief?
Gnostic beliefs may be your interest, but they are not mine.
My interest is IN the Lords Word, and have said nothing to the contrary, for you ask me, about other mens beliefs, that I have never discussed.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Gnostics infiltrated the early church and held beliefs contrary to Christianity. Like other dualists, they taught that the physical body was evil and our good spirits were trapped inside. They also believed that the God of the OT was evil and Jesus the God of the NT was good and at war with each other.
Christianity teaching bodily resurrection, which speaks against gnostic beliefs - 1 John speaks against gnosticism. Our entire soul - spirit + body was fallen until we entered into a relationship with Christ. If this is what you believe than I misunderstood you
Christianity teaching bodily resurrection, which speaks against gnostic beliefs - 1 John speaks against gnosticism. Our entire soul - spirit + body was fallen until we entered into a relationship with Christ. If this is what you believe than I misunderstood you
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Taken
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And what precisely have I said to indicate a gnostic following?
And, again, is there something you believe I have SAID against ANY scripture, that lead you to ask me such a question?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Taken
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Not going to play a guessing game. I am not a mind reader. You have something to say, say it.
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