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Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.



So many wear crosses, crucifixes, they have them hanging on their walls at home or pictures of crosses or what they may think Jesus looked like, paintings statuses of sorts, and as far as we know one wouldn’t bow to them but are they offensive to the Lord? Why was the Lord adamant about an image. Messages of many sorts are in images political propaganda for one and the Catholic church used paintings and images to convey a message to a people that most likely could read or write.


But, thing is, the Word of God conveys the image of God to His creation and the creatures therein, no physical thing can be in the image of God, and it’s through God’s Word we know and worship Him.
 

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But, thing is, the Word of God conveys the image of God to His creation and the creatures therein, no physical thing can be in the image of God, and it’s through God’s Word we know and worship Him.

Not just statues, many churches have banners, flags, posters with bible verses on them, scattered or placed around the church.
Are they 'images'?

Reading cs lewes the screwtape letters shocked me with a different idea of an image.
The senior devil, writting to a junior temptor, adviced him to get his subject to visulise the object he was praying to or to imagine it was in a particular location. He commented that one of his victims was trained to pray to the small stain on the ceiling, where he believed his god was.

How we imagine God to be or whjere we imagine him to be, are as much a grave image as having an icon or statue.
 

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Not just statues, many churches have banners, flags, posters with bible verses on them, scattered or placed around the church.
Are they 'images'?

Reading cs lewes the screwtape letters shocked me with a different idea of an image.
The senior devil, writting to a junior temptor, adviced him to get his subject to visulise the object he was praying to or to imagine it was in a particular location. He commented that one of his victims was trained to pray to the small stain on the ceiling, where he believed his god was.

How we imagine God to be or whjere we imagine him to be, are as much a grave image as having an icon or statue.



Eze_14:4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;


you see this everywhere and here, people who think God ought to be like what they want love to be. holding their idea of love as an idol in their hearts and declaring what they imagine as god. one of their favorite defenses is "I know what I believe" but so does a Buddhist or a rapist or and atheist or a Muslim. doesn't mean it's the true Living God.

I have a copy of a collection of CS Lewis's most popular stuff started to read some of it, it seemed like home work that you'll never use. or how to do something you already know how to do.
 
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Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So many wear crosses, crucifixes, they have them hanging on their walls at home or pictures of crosses or what they may think Jesus looked like, paintings statuses of sorts, and as far as we know one wouldn’t bow to them but are they offensive to the Lord? Why was the Lord adamant about an image. Messages of many sorts are in images political propaganda for one and the Catholic church used paintings and images to convey a message to a people that most likely could read or write.

But, thing is, the Word of God conveys the image of God to His creation and the creatures therein, no physical thing can be in the image of God, and it’s through God’s Word we know and worship Him.
The prohibition was not against the creation of images - but the WORSHIP of them as gods.
ALL 3 verses pertain to the same Commandment.

God later told Moses to build the Ark with 2 Golden Cherubim on top (Exod 25:18). He also told Moses to make a Bronze Serpent and place it on a pole so that those who looked on it would be cured (Num. 21:9).

If it were against the creation of images - EVERYBODY would be guilty because they have a driver's license and family portraits hanging in their homes.
 
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The prohibition was not against the creation of images - but the WORSHIP of them as gods.
ALL 3 verses pertain to the same Commandment.

God later told Moses to build the Ark with 2 Golden Cherubim on top (Exod 25:18). He also told Moses to make a Bronze Serpent and place it on a pole so that those who looked on it would be cured (Num. 21:9).

If it were against the creation of images - EVERYBODY would be guilty because they have a driver's license and family portraits hanging in their homes.

no, just Catholics are guilty. just kidding.

the thing is that creation knows it's Creator and Judge through His Word, not through any images physical, or imagined by men. Jesus brought back the image of God in the Son of man that was lost in the garden, because Jesus is the Word of God.
 

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Eze_14:4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;


you see this everywhere and here, people who think God ought to be like what they want love to be. holding their idea of love as an idol in their hearts and declaring what they imagine as god. one of their favorite defenses is "I know what I believe" but so does a Buddhist or a rapist or and atheist or a Muslim. doesn't mean it's the true Living God.

I have a copy of a collection of CS Lewis's most popular stuff started to read some of it, it seemed like home work that you'll never use. or how to do something you already know how to do.
Do you feel like this about Mere Christianity?
I loved The Screwtape Letters too.
 
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no, just Catholics are guilty. just kidding.

the thing is that creation knows it's Creator and Judge through His Word, not through any images physical, or imagined by men. Jesus brought back the image of God in the Son of man that was lost in the garden, because Jesus is the Word of God.
The original purpose of images and paintings were to educate a largely illiterate world.
It is estimated that about 85% of the world was functionally illiterate until the dawn of the 20th century.

Again - images are not part of the prohibition in Exodus.
Worshiping them as gods is what is prohibited.
 
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The original purpose of images and paintings were to educate a largely illiterate world.
It is estimated that about 85% of the world was functionally illiterate until the dawn of the 20th century.

Again - images are not part of the prohibition in Exodus.
Worshiping them as gods is what is prohibited.

if you have read to OP you would have known that I already said that in so many word.
 

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The original purpose of images and paintings were to educate a largely illiterate world.
It is estimated that about 85% of the world was functionally illiterate until the dawn of the 20th century.

Again - images are not part of the prohibition in Exodus.
Worshiping them as gods is what is prohibited.


That is exactly what the Eucharist of the Catholic, and Orthodox, Church is: worship of a physical object as god.
 

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That is exactly what the Eucharist of the Catholic, and Orthodox, Church is: worship of a physical object as god.
That's not a reply to what BofL said, it's an off topic whining rant. The Eucharist is consecrated Bread and Wine, because we do what Jesus told us to do. Why must you be so vulgar and offensive? I look forward to a discussion on the Eucharist when you grow up.
 
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The main 'idols' in the center of the Reformation Monuments are William Farel, John Calvin, Theodore Beza, and John Knox.

These are ok but some Protestants take offense to statues in honor of Jesus and His mother?
 

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That is exactly what the Eucharist of the Catholic, and Orthodox, Church is: worship of a physical object as god.
No - it's worship of GOD as God.

The fact that YOU reject the Real Presence doesn't make it "untrue".
It just means that YOU lack the faith to believe in what Jesus said and did . . .
 
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That is exactly what the Eucharist of the Catholic, and Orthodox, Church is: worship of a physical object as god.

I wouldn't say they all do, but the church itself doesn't reject the notion.
 

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Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.



So many wear crosses, crucifixes, they have them hanging on their walls at home or pictures of crosses or what they may think Jesus looked like, paintings statuses of sorts, and as far as we know one wouldn’t bow to them but are they offensive to the Lord? Why was the Lord adamant about an image. Messages of many sorts are in images political propaganda for one and the Catholic church used paintings and images to convey a message to a people that most likely could read or write.


But, thing is, the Word of God conveys the image of God to His creation and the creatures therein, no physical thing can be in the image of God, and it’s through God’s Word we know and worship Him.


We had all kind of statues in our church when I was Catholic..........
and we went and prayed to them all the time...
GOD at the alter, of course
Mary on one side and Joseph on the other side......

and the stations of the cross on both sides.....
 

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We had all kind of statues in our church when I was Catholic..........
and we went and prayed to them all the time...
GOD at the alter, of course
Mary on one side and Joseph on the other side......

and the stations of the cross on both sides.....

yes I know, been there done that, when I was a child and didn't know any better. which now seems to be a betrayal on the part of the priesthood of Catholicism. many Catholics deny such things practically to the death, especially here on this site, but they know its true.

but the reason for the OP is not to bad mouth Catholicism. its to point out that we and all of creation know the nature and image and likeness of their Creator through His Word, if for no other reason then none of creation was made without His Word:

Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

so again nothing physical is in the image and likeness of God because as Jesus says:

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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There was nothing wrong with statues until pope John Calvin came and smashed them all. Centuries of Christian culture obliterated in a few weeks time. Good thing Bach was a Lutheran. Music was forbidden. Any kind of theatre as well.
 

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yes I know, been there done that, when I was a child and didn't know any better. which now seems to be a betrayal on the part of the priesthood of Catholicism. many Catholics deny such things practically to the death, especially here on this site, but they know its true.
A betrayal on the part of the priesthood? What part? No, I don't know what you are saying is true. Please explain in detail why you object to statues of Jesus and His mother, yet say nothing about statues of the reformers.

but the reason for the OP is not to bad mouth Catholicism. its to point out that we and all of creation know the nature and image and likeness of their Creator through His Word, if for no other reason then none of creation was made without His Word:

Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

so again nothing physical is in the image and likeness of God because as Jesus says:

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh_4:24 That is not a condemnation of images, but how to worship. Why the false dichotomy? How does that make the use of images wrong when images were used extensively in the Temple?

The Catholic Church does not believe any statue or image has any power in and of itself. The beauty of statues and icons move us to the contemplation of the Word of God as he is himself or as he works in his saints. And, according to Scripture, as well as the testimony of the centuries, God even uses them at times to impart blessings (e.g., healings) according to his providential plan.

While it can certainly be understood how a superficial reading of the first commandment could lead one to believe we Catholics are in grave error with regard to our use of statues and icons, the key to a proper understanding of the first commandment is found at the very end of that same commandment, in verse 5 of Exodus 20: “You shall not bow down to them or serve [adore] them.”

The Lord did not prohibit statues; he prohibited the adoration of them. If God truly meant that we were not to possess any statues at all, then he would later contradict himself. Just five chapters after this commandment in Exodus 20, God commanded Moses to build the ark of the Covenant, which would contain the presence of God and was to be venerated as the holiest place in all of Israel. Here is what God commanded Moses concerning the statues on it:

And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends (Ex. 25:18–19).

In Numbers 21:8–9, not only did our Lord order Moses to make another statue in the form of a bronze serpent, he commanded the children of Israel to look to it in order to be healed. The context of the passage is one where Israel had rebelled against God, and a plague of deadly snakes was sent as a just punishment. This statue of a snake had no power of itself — we know from John 3:14 it was merely a type of Christ — but God used this image of a snake as an instrument to effect healing in his people.

Further, in 1 Kings 6, Solomon built a temple for the glory of God, described as follows:

In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the house. . . . He carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees, and open flowers, in the inner and outer rooms. . . . For the entrance to the inner sanctuary he made doors of olivewood. . . . He covered the two doors of olivewood with carvings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers; he overlaid them with gold (1 Kgs. 6:23, 27, 29, 31, 32).

King Solomon ordered the construction of multiple images of things both “in heaven above” (angels) and “in the earth beneath” (palm trees and open flowers). And then, after the completion of the temple, God declared he was pleased with its construction (1 Kgs. 9:3). Didn't God know what King Solomon had done?

It becomes apparent, given the above evidence, that a strictly literal interpretation of Exodus 20:2–5 is erroneous. Otherwise, we would have to conclude that God prohibits something in Exodus 20 that he commands elsewhere.

Why would God use these images of serpents, angels, palm trees, and open flowers? Why didn’t he heal the people directly rather than use a “graven image”? Why didn’t he command Moses and Solomon to build an ark and a temple void of any images at all?

First, God knows what his own commandments mean. He never condemned the use of statues absolutely. Second, God created man as a being who is essentially spiritual and physical. In order to draw us to himself, God uses both spiritual and physical means. He will use statues, the temple, or even creation itself to guide us to our heavenly home.

Psalm 19:1 tells us:

The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.”

Romans 1:20 says:

Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.

Gazing at a sunset — or a great painting of a sunset — and contemplating the greatness of God through the beauty of his creation is not idolatry. Nor is it idolatrous to look at statues of great saints of old in order to honor them for the great things God has done through them. It is no more idolatrous for us to desire to imitate their holy lives and honor them than it was for St. Paul to exhort the Corinthians to imitate his own holy life (1 Cor. 4:16) and to “esteem very highly” those who were “over [the Thessalonians] in the Lord and admonish [them]” (1 Thess. 5:12–13).
 

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Jesus Is the Reason

It is Jesus Christ himself who gives us the ultimate example of the value of statues and icons. Indeed, Christ, in his humanity, has opened up an entirely new economy of iconography and statuary. Christ becomes for us the ultimate reason for all representations of the angels and saints. Why do we say this? Colossians 1:15 tells us Christ is, “The image (Gr.-icon) of the invisible God.” Christ is the ultimate icon! And what does this icon reveal to us? He reveals God the Father. When Jesus said, “He who has seen me has seen the Father,” in John 14:9, he does not mean that he is the Father. He isn’t. He’s the Son. Hebrews 1:3 tells us Christ “reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature.” That is the essence of what statues and icons are. Just as “the word became flesh” (John 1:14) and revealed the Father to us in a manner beyond the imaginings of men before the advent of Christ, representations of God’s holy angels and saints are also icons of Christ who by their heroic virtue “reflect the glory of God” as well. Just as St. Paul told the Corinthians to hold up his own life as a paradigm when he said, “I urge you, then, be imitators of me,” the Church continues to hold up great men and women of faith as “icons” of the life of Christ lived in fallen human nature aided by grace.

Adoration is as Adoration Does

Many Protestants will claim that, while the Catholic may say he does not adore statues, his actions prove otherwise. Catholics kiss statues, bow down before them, and pray in front of them. According to these same Protestants, that represents the adoration that is due God alone. Peter, when Cornelius bowed down to adore him, ordered him to “stand up; I too am a man” (Acts 10:26). When John bowed down before an angel, the angel told him, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you” (Rev. 19:10). But Catholics have no problem bowing down before what is less — a statue of Peter or John!

Is kissing or kneeling down before a statue the same as adoring it? Not necessarily. Both Peter in Acts 10 and the angel in Revelation 19 rebuked Cornelius and John, respectively, specifically for adoring them as if each was adoring the Lord. The problem was not with the bowing; it was with the adoration. Bowing does not necessarily entail adoration. For example, Jacob bowed to the ground on his knees seven times to his elder brother Esau (Gen. 33:3), Bathsheba bowed to her husband David (1 Kgs. 1:16), and Solomon bowed to his mother Bathsheba (1 Kgs. 2:19). In fact, in Revelation 3:9, John records the words of Jesus:

Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie — behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Here, John uses the same verb for “bow down” (proskuneo) that he used in Revelation 19:10 for “adoration” when he acknowledged his own error in adoring the angel. Would anyone dare say that Jesus would make someone commit idolatry? Of course not!

I argue that in a sense, Jesus is saying to those who do not know him, "You can either bow down to my people (respect and honor them) now in this life, or I will compel you to do so in the next. It's your choice." But however you interpret Rev. 3:9, it is probably the clearest example in the New Testament of why bowing does not equal adoring (or worshipping).

This may sound shocking to Christians raised in what has become a very cold Western world that has lost, for the most part, a true affective sense. On one side we have a culture that has become so inundated with everthing sexual, we've lost what the ancient people of God did not so much put to words as they did live from the core of their collective being. They knew how to love and respect each other. St. Paul, for example, encouraged Christians to greet one another with a holy kiss (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 16:20; 2 Cor. 13:12; 1 Thess. 5:26).

"Are you kidding me, St. Paul? Get away from me, pal!"

On the other side, we have a large portion of Protesants who fear any act of reverence directed toward a human or angel will bring the immediate wrath of a "jealous God." How far is this removed from what we saw from Jesus in Rev. 3:9, or from the clergy in Ephesus who we find embracing and kissing Paul after his final discourse to them in Acts 20:37. As the context of these passages make clear, these are acts of affection, not adoration. And, Lord have mercy, they are certainly not representative of anything untoward.

Conclusion

I suppose the message we should send to those outside of the Catholic Church who don't get why we bow down before, kiss, put flowers in front of, etc. statues and icons, is that we Catholics take very seriously the biblical injunctions to praise and honor great members of God’s family (see, for example, Ps. 45:17; Luke 1:48; 1 Thess. 5:12–13; 1 Tim. 5:17; 1 Pet. 5:5–6, etc.). And we do not change our beliefs because either the world, or certain people who name the name of Christ may walk away from them.

We also believe, as Scripture makes very clear, that death does not separate us from the love of Christ (Rom. 8:38), or from his body, which is the Church (Col. 1:24). Our “elders in heaven” (cf. Rev. 5:8) should be honored as much or even more than our greatest members on earth. So having statues honoring God or great saints brings to mind the God we adore and the saints we love and respect. This is a no-brainer for Catholics. To us, having statues is just as natural as — you guessed it — having pictures in our wallets to remind us of the ones we love here on earth. But reminding ourselves of loved ones is a far cry from idolatry.


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Jesus Is the Reason

It is Jesus Christ himself who gives us the ultimate example of the value of statues and icons. Indeed, Christ, in his humanity, has opened up an entirely new economy of iconography and statuary. Christ becomes for us the ultimate reason for all representations of the angels and saints. Why do we say this? Colossians 1:15 tells us Christ is, “The image (Gr.-icon) of the invisible God.” Christ is the ultimate icon! And what does this icon reveal to us? He reveals God the Father. When Jesus said, “He who has seen me has seen the Father,” in John 14:9, he does not mean that he is the Father. He isn’t. He’s the Son. Hebrews 1:3 tells us Christ “reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature.” That is the essence of what statues and icons are. Just as “the word became flesh” (John 1:14) and revealed the Father to us in a manner beyond the imaginings of men before the advent of Christ, representations of God’s holy angels and saints are also icons of Christ who by their heroic virtue “reflect the glory of God” as well. Just as St. Paul told the Corinthians to hold up his own life as a paradigm when he said, “I urge you, then, be imitators of me,” the Church continues to hold up great men and women of faith as “icons” of the life of Christ lived in fallen human nature aided by grace.

Adoration is as Adoration Does

Many Protestants will claim that, while the Catholic may say he does not adore statues, his actions prove otherwise. Catholics kiss statues, bow down before them, and pray in front of them. According to these same Protestants, that represents the adoration that is due God alone. Peter, when Cornelius bowed down to adore him, ordered him to “stand up; I too am a man” (Acts 10:26). When John bowed down before an angel, the angel told him, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you” (Rev. 19:10). But Catholics have no problem bowing down before what is less — a statue of Peter or John!

Is kissing or kneeling down before a statue the same as adoring it? Not necessarily. Both Peter in Acts 10 and the angel in Revelation 19 rebuked Cornelius and John, respectively, specifically for adoring them as if each was adoring the Lord. The problem was not with the bowing; it was with the adoration. Bowing does not necessarily entail adoration. For example, Jacob bowed to the ground on his knees seven times to his elder brother Esau (Gen. 33:3), Bathsheba bowed to her husband David (1 Kgs. 1:16), and Solomon bowed to his mother Bathsheba (1 Kgs. 2:19). In fact, in Revelation 3:9, John records the words of Jesus:

Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie — behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Here, John uses the same verb for “bow down” (proskuneo) that he used in Revelation 19:10 for “adoration” when he acknowledged his own error in adoring the angel. Would anyone dare say that Jesus would make someone commit idolatry? Of course not!

I argue that in a sense, Jesus is saying to those who do not know him, "You can either bow down to my people (respect and honor them) now in this life, or I will compel you to do so in the next. It's your choice." But however you interpret Rev. 3:9, it is probably the clearest example in the New Testament of why bowing does not equal adoring (or worshipping).

This may sound shocking to Christians raised in what has become a very cold Western world that has lost, for the most part, a true affective sense. On one side we have a culture that has become so inundated with everthing sexual, we've lost what the ancient people of God did not so much put to words as they did live from the core of their collective being. They knew how to love and respect each other. St. Paul, for example, encouraged Christians to greet one another with a holy kiss (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 16:20; 2 Cor. 13:12; 1 Thess. 5:26).

"Are you kidding me, St. Paul? Get away from me, pal!"

On the other side, we have a large portion of Protesants who fear any act of reverence directed toward a human or angel will bring the immediate wrath of a "jealous God." How far is this removed from what we saw from Jesus in Rev. 3:9, or from the clergy in Ephesus who we find embracing and kissing Paul after his final discourse to them in Acts 20:37. As the context of these passages make clear, these are acts of affection, not adoration. And, Lord have mercy, they are certainly not representative of anything untoward.

Conclusion

I suppose the message we should send to those outside of the Catholic Church who don't get why we bow down before, kiss, put flowers in front of, etc. statues and icons, is that we Catholics take very seriously the biblical injunctions to praise and honor great members of God’s family (see, for example, Ps. 45:17; Luke 1:48; 1 Thess. 5:12–13; 1 Tim. 5:17; 1 Pet. 5:5–6, etc.). And we do not change our beliefs because either the world, or certain people who name the name of Christ may walk away from them.

We also believe, as Scripture makes very clear, that death does not separate us from the love of Christ (Rom. 8:38), or from his body, which is the Church (Col. 1:24). Our “elders in heaven” (cf. Rev. 5:8) should be honored as much or even more than our greatest members on earth. So having statues honoring God or great saints brings to mind the God we adore and the saints we love and respect. This is a no-brainer for Catholics. To us, having statues is just as natural as — you guessed it — having pictures in our wallets to remind us of the ones we love here on earth. But reminding ourselves of loved ones is a far cry from idolatry.


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still justifying lies should we re-itterate

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
 

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There was nothing wrong with statues until pope John Calvin came and smashed them all. Centuries of Christian culture obliterated in a few weeks time. Good thing Bach was a Lutheran. Music was forbidden. Any kind of theatre as well.


no there isn't anything wrong with status, but to teach children to bow before them, therein is the problem. and because the catholic priesthood knows or knew better its on them.