A most shocking response

[bbyrd009]

I have no unity with those claiming I am not saved, implied or otherwise, he knows who he is.

I get the feeling you will be waiting a long time for a better understanding, but we shall see. It just seems to me like you aren't 100% sure of your salvation in Jesus Christ.

ha, i just love how "we" is invoked whenever it suits someone's purpose lol

But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

 

[bbyrd009]

I've always done this.!

i frequently try, and only sometimes does it work, hmm

 

[GodsGrace]

i wonder if you would testify to the crowd of "we's" that you include yourself in with this perspective,
where do they congregate, i wonder...lol

We'll congregate in heaven one day.
I don't agree that every point of view is biblical, but I do agree that everyone who loves Jesus is a part of His Body.

 

[bbyrd009]

But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

how bout let's be honest and admit that this describes virtually zero Christians that anyone here, "we," can witness of

 

[bbyrd009]

We'll congregate in heaven one day.

so you say, but you cannot Quote this wadr.

Oh wait, there is a church song, you could quote it from that i guess,

"when we all get to heaven
what a day of rejoicing that will be!
when we all see Jesus
we"ll sing and shout the victory!"

straight from satan himself, i guess

everyone who loves Jesus is a part of His Body.

boy, i dunno, i gotta go with Imelda on this one, why love Jesus when you can love Love? :)
no offense, but these days when i hear "i love Jesus" from most ppl, i know to keep my hand on my wallet!

 

[GodsGrace]

so you say, but you cannot Quote this wadr.

Oh wait, there is a church song, you could quote it from that i guess,

"when we all get to heaven
what a day of rejoicing that will be!
when we all see Jesus
we"ll sing and shout the victory!"

straight from satan himself, i guess
boy, i dunno, i gotta go with Imelda on this one, why love Jesus when you can love Love? :)
no offense, but these days when i hear "i love Jesus" from most ppl, i know to keep my hand on my wallet!

Why do you think believing in heaven is satanic?
Didn't Jesus say He was going to prepare a place for us?
Where does He live?

 

[bbyrd009]

Why do you think believing in heaven is satanic?

ah, well i didn't say that, but that this "we'll congregate in heaven one day" is not what the Bible or Christ says

 

[bbyrd009]

Didn't Jesus say He was going to prepare a place for us?

yes, but see how this can also be read "I'm leaving so that you will have a place to manifest, to pick up your cross, and follow Me. Otherwise, you will just keep trying to put a crown on Me, and yikes as it is I'm still going to get a gaggle of candle-lighters and a bunch of Greek worshippers, no matter how much i hide from them"
"the kingdom of God is within you"

 

[bbyrd009]

Where does He live?

well, He "gave up the spirit" over 2000 years ago, yet here we are talking about Him still, so imo He lives where the kingdom of God is, the only place that matters i guess

 

[GodsGrace]

yes, but see how this can also be read "I'm leaving so that you will have a place to manifest, to pick up your cross, and follow Me. Otherwise, you will just keep trying to put a crown on Me, and yikes as it is I'm still going to get a gaggle of candle-lighters and a bunch of Greek worshippers, no matter how much i hide from them"
"the kingdom of God is within you"

There are two kingdoms:
One is right here on earth. It could be expressed as the Kingdom being within you...I see it more as a real kingdom but one that can only be seen with the eyes of one born from above, as in John 3:3. Jesus explained this Kingdom a lot and meant for it to be created. A Kingdom with people, and rules and rewards, just like a real Kingdom.

Then there is also the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever that is and wherever it will be, it's the place where God dwells.
Greek worshippers are good. God is supposed to be worshipped.
Lit candles are good; they help us to feel closer to God - some need this, some don't, God satisfies everyone!
1 Chronicles 16:23-25
Exodus 20:2-6
John 4:21-24

Don't you believe in the Kingdom of Heaven?

 

[bbyrd009]

There are two kingdoms

think so, huh? not me

 

[bbyrd009]

21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one —
23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may ...

 

[lforrest]

21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one —
23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may ...

So you are saying there is one kingdom?
If so I would agree, because this one has already been condemned.

 

[bbyrd009]

So you are saying there is one kingdom?
If so I would agree, because this one has already been condemned.

ya, the only "2" i am aware of in this context are "thieves on the crosses"

 

[GodsGrace]

So you are saying there is one kingdom?
If so I would agree, because this one has already been condemned.

How?
Is there scripture for this?

 

[lforrest]

How?
Is there scripture for this?

Revelation 21:1

 

[amadeus]

How could you not have unity?
All born again believers are a part of the Body.
Even the ones you don't like right now.

Some of us may still be works in progress...

 

[Dcopymope]

Why do you think believing in heaven is satanic?
Didn't Jesus say He was going to prepare a place for us?
Where does He live?

Yes, Jesus has a place prepared for us, and its not heaven. This has been pointed out to you already, so no need for me to waste my time there.

 

[bbyrd009]

There are two kingdoms

ok i guess there are two kingdoms from our pov, so i can't really disagree in a sense; but your "two kingdoms" seems diff from the Methodist doctrine "two kingdoms," and to me both seem to disagree with As above, so below?
Iow every other (worldly) kingdom that is not One is passing away, so imo reflecting on it as "two kingdoms" rather than One that you are either manifesting or not just leads to all kinds of problems, As Above is surely only one of them

 

[bbyrd009]

Whatever that is and wherever it will be, it's the place where God dwells.

imo this fails whenever we restrict God to a place in the way we understand that term. If you insist that there is a "place" where God dwells, then heaven is simultaneously bound to creation (physically) and kept divided from it spiritually, unless you start imagining alt realities (physical) or alt futures that you cannot verify, seems to me anyway; misinterpreted Scripture surely meant to be applied to "as soon as you change your mind, and get a revelation" notwithstanding imo.

We are plainly told that those who don't get It can't read It, after all; which is likely just a great way to say that those who cannot confess their sins one to another and repent IRL will force all kinds of ridiculous Ice Cream Castle interpretation onto Scripture strictly to avoid facing themselves.

i agree with Two Kingdoms in the sense of either within you or right beside you, iow you get to pick, all the time,
you are just about to pick again, 10 or 100 or 1000 choices a day, like that maybe. more like in or out

with a remedy for falling out, if one will but avail themselves of it