Once in Heaven, can you lose your salvation?

[Taken]

Lucifer was created perfect and sinless. Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. Both were in the presence God. Yet they chose against God and fell.

Once we as Christians get to Heaven, how is our state any different? Can we sin against God even after we are there?

Stranger

God is Sinless and Perfect.
....God knows all things and is never in error.

Lucifer was created holy.
.....Angels know many things and can error.
Angels can Choose to Maintain their holiness;
Or Choose to go Against God; thus they fall.
The maintaining of holiness; is by their choice.
(Nothing reveals a holy angel who chooses to fall from grace has opportunity to be forgiven; OR be forever with God)

Adam and Eve were created very good.
.....Man knows some things and can error.
Man "born in sin"; Against God.
Can Choose to Become Forgiven, made holy, With God.

Mans holiness; is maintained by God; and the man remains holy forever; By Gods Power.

Presence OF God....

Holy angels YES - In Gods Presence; God sees them; They see God.

Fallen angels NO - God Sees them; they no longer see God.

Men (Adam) YES - In Gods Presence: God Saw them; They DID NOT See God.

Saved Men YES - In Gods Presence: God Sees them; They CAN NOT SEE God. Yet God IS with them, in them; and They with God, in God.

They - angel or mankind...WHO ARE glorified;
Can SEE God.

Glorified - Is not something an angel or man
Directly receives from God...

Meaning While it is a Gift from God- God does not GIVE HIS Glory to anyone.

Angels - Mankind ~ INDIRECTLY receive Glory from God....specificially.....VIA "Reflection".

Gods Glory is HIS LIGHT.

When an angel/man IS 'holy' because God's Glory (Light) is SHINING on/in the angel/man.

When an angel falls; Gods Glory/Light; no longer Reflects/Shines upon the angel.

When a man Receives Gods Glory, it is forever, Precisely because it is Maintained;
By Gods Supreme Power...not the mans.

When a man IS forgiven and converted -
It is BY the man making a Freewill Choice;
Expressly For God TO change/convert the man AND TO keep/maintain that man holy, forever.

Presently; men Who ARE SAVED; ARE holy, maintained BY Gods Power; Forever WITH God....AND WAIT to SEE the manifestation OF their holy bodies.

Works ~ Service

Men who further; learn, follow, and serve the Lord according to His PRECEPTS;
Shall receive blessings, gifts, rewards, ON earth and IN in the Lords Kingdom.
They shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Men who DO NOT further; learn, follow, and serve the Lord according to His PRECEPTS;
Shall NOT receive blessing, gifts, rewards, ON earth and IN the Lords Kingdom...
That such (particular) blessings, gifts, rewards ARE for those WHO DID work and serve TO: Glorify Gods Name, ON Earth.
They shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Point being - If the Lord HAS Saved a man;
It is Forever and the man IS made holy; and waits to SEE his glorified body.

Service and Works; are something a man may or may not do;
He shall be with the Lord IN His Kingdom;
But shall not RECEIVE; greater gifts, blessings, rewards.....Because he did not DO the works and service to be recognized as a "great" worker and servant to Glorifiy God.

The purpose of the Service and Works IS precisely that other (unsaved) men MAY SEE, and BE sparked/interested to Learn About God, and hopefully ALSO CHOOSE to become Saved.

The Reward for Service and Works unto the Lord, IS GREAT, Because;

Every Saved man Becomes Gods Inheritance.
Thus a man WHO works and serves the Lord, that other men become Saved....has just Helped INCREASE Gods inheritance...
Thus....the Lord, gifts, blesses, rewards...the mans efforts of works and service.

God Cannot Sin.
Holy angels were created without sin, but Can sin and fall.
Men are born in sin. Are sin, and born in a fallen state.

Men do not become sinless. They become Forgiven. Their sin becomes COVERED (with Gods Light)- which overpowers/over comes the darkness of sin - that God no more Sees a mans sin - and remembers it no more. Thus a man WITH Gods (Power, Light) within him (the man), is free from Sin, and sins no more.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Stranger,

So you are already fully mature and the spirit of God is done working and perfecting you? You perform the will of God 100% of the time and you have NO human nature left.

You are a rarity indeed.

Bless you,

APAK

Please pay attention to what I said. Being 'born-again' is not a maturing process. And it is when one is born-again that he or she is placed in the body of Christ and whose life is hid with Christ in God.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

God is Sinless and Perfect.
....God knows all things and is never in error.

Lucifer was created holy.
.....Angels know many things and can error.
Angels can Choose to Maintain their holiness;
Or Choose to go Against God; thus they fall.
The maintaining of holiness; is by their choice.
(Nothing reveals a holy angel who chooses to fall from grace has opportunity to be forgiven; OR be forever with God)

Adam and Eve were created very good.
.....Man knows some things and can error.
Man "born in sin"; Against God.
Can Choose to Become Forgiven, made holy, With God.

Mans holiness; is maintained by God; and the man remains holy forever; By Gods Power.

Presence OF God....

Holy angels YES - In Gods Presence; God sees them; They see God.

Fallen angels NO - God Sees them; they no longer see God.

Men (Adam) YES - In Gods Presence: God Saw them; They DID NOT See God.

Saved Men YES - In Gods Presence: God Sees them; They CAN NOT SEE God. Yet God IS with them, in them; and They with God, in God.

They - angel or mankind...WHO ARE glorified;
Can SEE God.

Glorified - Is not something an angel or man
Directly receives from God...

Meaning While it is a Gift from God- God does not GIVE HIS Glory to anyone.

Angels - Mankind ~ INDIRECTLY receive Glory from God....specificially.....VIA "Reflection".

Gods Glory is HIS LIGHT.

When an angel/man IS 'holy' because God's Glory (Light) is SHINING on/in the angel/man.

When an angel falls; Gods Glory/Light; no longer Reflects/Shines upon the angel.

When a man Receives Gods Glory, it is forever, Precisely because it is Maintained;
By Gods Supreme Power...not the mans.

When a man IS forgiven and converted -
It is BY the man making a Freewill Choice;
Expressly For God TO change/convert the man AND TO keep/maintain that man holy, forever.

Presently; men Who ARE SAVED; ARE holy, maintained BY Gods Power; Forever WITH God....AND WAIT to SEE the manifestation OF their holy bodies.

Works ~ Service

Men who further; learn, follow, and serve the Lord according to His PRECEPTS;
Shall receive blessings, gifts, rewards, ON earth and IN in the Lords Kingdom.
They shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Men who DO NOT further; learn, follow, and serve the Lord according to His PRECEPTS;
Shall NOT receive blessing, gifts, rewards, ON earth and IN the Lords Kingdom...
That such (particular) blessings, gifts, rewards ARE for those WHO DID work and serve TO: Glorify Gods Name, ON Earth.
They shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Point being - If the Lord HAS Saved a man;
It is Forever and the man IS made holy; and waits to SEE his glorified body.

Service and Works; are something a man may or may not do;
He shall be with the Lord IN His Kingdom;
But shall not RECEIVE; greater gifts, blessings, rewards.....Because he did not DO the works and service to be recognized as a "great" worker and servant to Glorifiy God.

The purpose of the Service and Works IS precisely that other (unsaved) men MAY SEE, and BE sparked/interested to Learn About God, and hopefully ALSO CHOOSE to become Saved.

The Reward for Service and Works unto the Lord, IS GREAT, Because;

Every Saved man Becomes Gods Inheritance.
Thus a man WHO works and serves the Lord, that other men become Saved....has just Helped INCREASE Gods inheritance...
Thus....the Lord, gifts, blesses, rewards...the mans efforts of works and service.

God Cannot Sin.
Holy angels were created without sin, but Can sin and fall.
Men are born in sin. Are sin, and born in a fallen state.

Men do not become sinless. They become Forgiven. Their sin becomes COVERED (with Gods Light)- which overpowers/over comes the darkness of sin - that God no more Sees a mans sin - and remembers it no more. Thus a man WITH Gods (Power, Light) within him (the man), is free from Sin, and sins no more.

God Bless,
Taken

A lot of wind but no substance. So what is your point in relation to my questions?

Stranger

 

[Taken]

True. "For he that is dead is freed from sin". (Rom. 6:7) But that is talking about us here and now. We are dead in Christ. (6:6) says, "our old man is crucified with him...."

Correct.

We still sin here,

No.

"WE", does not apply to ALL people.

"WHO" is freed from SIN, and still SINS?

Consider - Scripture is written FOR ALL People. ALL People have NOT had the SAME background of "religious doctrine".

Hebrews/Jews - Consider HOW they "in the OT...WERE Forgiven and Saved.
1) the Lords body? No, an animals
2) the Lord blood for forgiveness? No, an animals blood.
3) permanent forgiveness? No, repeated.
4) Works and Service according to the Law to Become forgiven and saved? Yes.

Now move forward to the time of Jesus on earth. Teaching Jews of a Permanent...
Forgiveness and Salvation...with HIS Body and HIS Blood.

But, but, but....WHAT about the Works and Service...that for 4,000 years have BEEN a taught "IS" a SIN, if one does NOT do them?

Jews teaching Jews to UNLEARN 4,000 years of their History, that God has Prepared for THEM? Mose's Law of What TO DO. And Arron's Law Book of "Curses" for NOT doing Works and Service according to Mose's Law?

Hard pill for Jews to Understand. Was God in error in His teaching? Or is Jesus right in His teaching? Pretty confusing for Jews.

But, but, but, .... the "works and service" OT saints DID....SAVED THEM. Why not anymore?

BECAUSE...PRECISELY...When Jesus offered up His Body unto death...His BODY became SIN...and then DIED. He ALONE, OVERCAME, the CURSES of SIN.

Which is to SAY...the "curses". In Arron's Law of "curses" was precisely for NOT DOING Works and Service unto the Lord.

JESUS" OVERCAME the "curses"...thus there IS NO MORE "curse" (penalty) called a ..SIN.. for NOT doing works and service unto the Lord.

Jesus' BODY and Jesus' BLOOD; given ONCE, did away with THE CURSE of THE LAW.

A man WHO, accepts the GIFT of JESUS' BODY, and JESUS" BLOOD, for the man to BECOME forgiven and ALIVE forever....
IS FREED FROM SIN, and SINS "NO MORE".

SHOULD the man continue Learning WHAT the Jewish Law SAID TO DO THAT PLEASES God, in the manner of the man DOING works and SERVICE? Of course.
If a man DOESN'T....is it a SIN unto him? No.

Such a man will simply LOSE OUT on blessing, gifts and rewards, IF he had done works and service.

Gentiles were NEVER subject to the Law of Moses OR the Law books of Aaron's CURSE laws.

The Scripture RELEASING, men FROM the curse of the LAW....was JEWS being released from the CURSE (sin) of the LAW.
And it was a very DIFFICULT concept for the Jews to understand.

So, difficult...IN FACT...many Jews "then" and "today"....still repeatedly ask for forgivensss; AND believe they MUST Do works and service to until the end of their physical life......TO
RECEIVE Salvation.

And a great part of Scripture...(remembering the Disciples who were Jews), were sent out to teach Jews. And you can read, repeatedly Jews admonishing Jews...calling an "ill" work, a SIN.

That "not doing works" was never a SIN unto a Gentile, because Gentiles were not UNDER the Law of Moses or the Curses of Arrons' Laws of "curses' (sins), for NOT doing works.

When a Gentile (or Jew in the NT or today), accepted Jesus....the CURSE (sin) of the Law, had/has NO EFFECT, ie doesn't APPLY....
Because Jesus fulfilled the Law of SIN, when
He took upon His Body the sin of the world.
And THEN let it die. It's OVERCOME.

And that ANY man WHO accepts this...IT then APPLIES to the man...being a Gift from God, that the man IS FREED from SIN, has overcome SIN; BY THE POWER OF GOD.

Gal 3:13
Christ HATH REDEEMED us from the CURSE of the LAW, being MADE "A CURSE" "FOR US...

Jews continue to view NOT DOING WORKS, as a SIN...or DOING ILL Works as a SIN.

MANY< MANY< MANY Christians;
will say the words...
Forgiven...but put their own "caveat" on forgiven....as if the Lord is stupid, and His Word of forgiveness is ONLY for PAST sins.

Freed from Sin...but put their own "caveat" on being Freed from sin; saying they STILL SIN, and keep asking God for "forgiveness".

Don't PRACTICE sin...but put their own "caveat" on PRACTICE to mean, well, they do sin, but try not to.

ALL HOGWASH. They are testifying THEY SIN, the SAME as a Jews claims to SIN....
For NOT DOING WORKS, or DOING ILL WORKS.

Gentiles WERE NOT Jews, under the Jewish Curse (sin) concerning WORKS.

Ignoring the Jews for a moment.

When the Lord FORGIVES a Gentile of Sin.
He is not FORGIVING them for WORKS or NOT DOING WORKS...

The Lord is forgiving a Gentile FOR being born....NOT BELIEVING IN HIM...AND corrupting his SOUL, being IN a body that Does NOT believe IN the Lord.

Immediately upon a MAN heartfully BELIEVING IN God...God IMMEDIATELY deals with the CORRUPT FLESH BODY and CORRUPT SOUL..

He First FORGIVES their Disbelief, and Accepts their Belief in Him.

Then spirituallly KILLS THEIR BODY OF SIN.
Then spiritually RESTORES THEIR SOUL.
Then washes, their body, sanctifies their body, and KEEPS it with Christ, AS Justified to be claimed/redeemed/taken, on the Day Jesus calls that body up (to the clouds) To Him to become manifested Glorified.

While that Believing, forgiven, washed, sanctified, justified body physically remains ON earth.....it's PURPOSE is to Glorifiy Gods name....BY DOING WORKS.....and shall be rewarded greatly....IF he does such works...

And NOT rewarded greatly....IF he does NOT do such works....

But is is NEVER accounted to the man AS A SIN....if he does NOT do the Works...It is accounted, as a LOSS of rewards.

So the many, many, many Christians teaching and saying....THEY are SAVED "AND" STILL commit SIN...are basically saying and teaching a Lie. And are teaching the Lords WORD, is Temporary, waiting to see what a man MIGHT do (as if the Lord does not KNOW all things) and the Lord is SUBJECT TO their behavior.

Hogwash! The Lords Spirit Dwells Within a man.....seriously? The Lords All Powerful Spirit dwells within a man, WHILE the man IS SINNING? Uh No.

The man ASKED the Lord to come into his Heart, forgive him, restore him, keep him...and the Lord failed? Which is basically what a man IS claiming who says....
The ARE saved, born again, a "son of God"...
And CONTINUE TO SIN.

yet we are dead in Christ. Therefore we can rest assured we cannot lose our salvation in heaven for our old man is dead in Christ.

Correct.

But if we were dead in Christ here, then neither can we lose it here.

Correct.

Men who "LOSE' their Salvation; "LOSE" it ..
BECAUSE they NEVER "took it" "Received" it.

Salvation is PROVIDED....it is "theirs" TO TAKE and RECEIVE....
Salvation is not forced on anyone.

If they don't TAKE IT, RECEIVE IT...they Lose it.

NO ONE who takes it, receives it...can Lose their Salvation. Once received, it is theirs forever, keep unto "them" by the Power of God.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

This is not a subject discussed in a 101-basic class, it is at the 601 level. A ‘heavy’ subject

Agree.

that scripture does not effectively and explicitly address in any depth.

Disagree

I believe we cannot ‘sin’ in heaven because our free will is permanently curtailed, because we chose to do this already,

Agree

as it is now curtailed to a lesser degree while in this earth body.

Disagree.

The soul will be transformed to a new one in our glorified bodies,

Disagree.

Skipping parts of you post; not in full agreement.

We become a NEW creature – with a new soul and spirit nature. We will think quite differently. We will become as saints just like Jesus, with his mind.

New creatures - agree.
New soul - disagree
Spirit nature -? New spirit - yes
Will think differently - already capable now.

(2Pe 1:3) His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,

GrantED.

(2Pe 1:4) by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. (ALL ESV)

GrantED

This divine state, Adam and Eve never achieved, because they never partook of the tree of life.

True they did not eat of the Tree of Life...
Thus their BODY'S died, (physically).

However they were saved. And shall be called up as the Dead IN Christ (the Word of God).

The title of the OP is a little confusing. As a saint in heaven means we already have been saved into our new bodies.

Agree.

Our immortality and eternal life in heaven is dependent on the power and spirit of God being available and constantly nourishing us.

Our immortality concerns our body, that never goes to heaven. It is dependent to become immortal, by becoming saved....
From distruction and then transformed in the Clouds, (not Heaven).

This is most probably impossible, and scripture does not address this area.

Disagree.

This is a ‘tough’ subject of discussion.

Agree.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Correct.



No.

"WE", does not apply to ALL people.

"WHO" is freed from SIN, and still SINS?

Consider - Scripture is written FOR ALL People. ALL People have NOT had the SAME background of "religious doctrine".

(1 John 1:8-9) All believers still sin

(2 Tim. 3:16-17) The Scripture is written for the man of God.

Our salvation is secure because we are in Christ. Not because we don't sin. That which is born of God in us, does not sin, but we still have this body of sin, and do sin. And if we deny it, we are lying to ourselves and to God.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

(1 John 1:8-9) All believers still sin
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"All believers" ?

Be more specific.
Believers in Islam?
Believers in Buddah?
Believers like the Disciples, BEFORE they were saved, exchanging mindful thoughts of doubts, and denial at times?

Or ALL saved and born again believers?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Taken

In light of the discussion, who do you think I am talking about when I say, 'all believers'? You know full well I am talking about those who place faith in Jesus Christ.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

Taken

In light of the discussion, who do you think I am talking about when I say, 'all believers'? You know full well I am talking about those who place faith in Jesus Christ.

Stranger

I can guess.
Then if it is Christains, are you talking about Christians who are new to learning about Christ or born again Christians?
Because both can call themselves Christians, believers, but both are not saved and born again.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

I can guess.
Then if it is Christains, are you talking about Christians who are new to learning about Christ or born again Christians?
Because both can call themselves Christians, believers, but both are not saved and born again.

God Bless,
Taken

Read #246 and #248 again.

Stranger

 

[Dcopymope]

I can guess.
Then if it is Christains, are you talking about Christians who are new to learning about Christ or born again Christians?
Because both can call themselves Christians, believers, but both are not saved and born again.

God Bless,
Taken

How long would it take for these new Christians to learn about Christ to be considered "born again"? Forget about that one guy on the cross. How about this???

(Revelation 14:6-7) "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, {7} Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

Is there some kind of timetable for this or not? Would it take a day? Month? Does it occur in the twinkling of an eye? I am perplexed.

 

[Taken]

How long would it take for these new Christians to learn about Christ to be considered "born again"?

Everyone is different. I would estimate pretty much all the world has heard of God of Christ Jesus.

Even the disciples had heard of God, of the Messiah. And How much time did they spend with Jesus learning ABOUT him?

3 years -
12 hours per day = 13, 140 hours

IF a person LEARNS about God;
2 hours a week for 3 years = 312 hours

Becoming Saved and Born Again is a ONE TIME FOREVER commitment.

Men first learning ABOUT entering into a MARRIAGE, was a LIFE-LONG commitment.

And HOW many MARRIAGES FAIL, that they want to WIGGLE out of their ONE TIME Commitment? Many. And Why? Did they not FIRST LEARN ABOUT what it meant to BE Forever committed?

People also make other commitments; for loans, for autos, for mortgages, for shorter periods of time. And? How many FAIL to keep those commitments? Many. And Why?
Jump in with their Yes, Yes; and fail to "KNOW" the fine print. Fail to KNOW, their "YES" means "YES"?

Scripture WARNS; to be diligent.
Scripture WARNS; to KNOW "WHAT" and "WHY" you are making an UNREVOKABLE Commitment FOREVER.

The disciples spent 3 years with Jesus, LEARNING, the "WHAT" and "WHY" BEFORE they Committed.

What does an AVERAGE PERSON learn ABOUT God ABOUT Jesus ?

God is the creator?
Jesus Saves?

And what else? Observe the posts.
I would say the average person posting, has been a long time Church goer, is more familiar with Scripture; comparing Church goers, and those who listen to evangelical TV, etc. to the World population.

Observe the posts; This is what is COMMON;

God is the creator-
Jesus saves-
They are Forgiven-
They are Saved, Born Again-
A NEW creaton-
The OLD body of sin is dead.......

But, but, but, "their own caveat is" -
They STILL SIN!
And THEY SERVE the Lord "BY" their Teaching;
Saved and Born Again men Continue as the SAME OLD MAN OF COMMITTING SIN.

How so?
Did the Lord's Saving Fail?
Did the Lord's Forgiveness Fail?
Are they NOT NEW, but the SAME OLD MAN?

This IS NOT: How or What the disciples Taught. But then, THEY were Taught BY the Lord, and served Him, According to "HIS" teaching, (not a caveat that man has invented).

So HOW LONG does it take for an AVERAGE person to LEARN THE KNOWLEGE OF Gods TRUTH?
Obviously LONGER than most AVERAGE people ARE willing to put forth the effort to LEARN Gods TRUTH, before they begin TEACHING "the Worlds truth".

IOW - ANYONE on the FIRST hour they Hear of Jesus CAN make a commitment -
Or ANYONE who has spent MANY hours Hearing ABOUT Jesus CAN make a commitment-

The commitment IS FOREVER...
And the commitment IS KEPT FOREVER, by the POWER of Christ, "NOT THE MAN".

The MAN, (who commits TO the Lord), IS SUPPOSED TO Serve the Lord;
According TO the Lord;
Not According TO the WORLD.

And WHAT does MANY in the WORLD, say, when they Hear.....Saved and Born Again men TEACH....
Be Saved, Be Born Again, Jesus is the Way...
And no worries', Everyone can and does still SIN!!

What does the World say to that?
Why bother....it's just getting a LICENSE TO SIN! Who needs a LICENSE TO SIN? Anyone can SIN, without a LICENSE!

Forget about that one guy on the cross. How about this???

(IF you recall, God began teaching men, VIA HEARING, and the men BEGGED TO "SEE".
God called them stiffnecked. And then promised them "men would SEE". And for 4,000 years men WAITED, and then APPEARED Jesus On Earth, FOR MEN TO SEE, and STILL many men COULD NOT BELIEVE)

Some men have become Saved, Born Again (ie making the commitment), but REMAIN, in their NATURAL LIKENESS, of their Natural MIND; teaching what has made sense to philosophers.

(Gee, a big surprise to God?). No.
Everything in this World has BECOME CORRUPT... Even teaching ABOUT the Lord, by men; who teach the OLD MAN is dead..
But STILL SINS.

The Lord shall send 144,000 of the 12 Tribes,
(12,000 from each Tribe) TO minister to them.

The Angel of the Lord SHALL give (Gentiles & Jews) men on the earth NOTICE and a QUICK TIME to repent, become forgiven, saved and born again, BEFORE the Lord commences Wrath upon the Earth, for the Earth's corruption; (being first cleansed BY Water, and that failed, next to be purified with fire).

Is there some kind of timetable for this or not? Would it take a day? Month? Does it occur in the twinkling of an eye? I am perplexed.

Each individual can determine his own timeframe based on his own efforts to LEARN.

It is the HEARNG, repeatedly, the LEARNING, repeatedly....the method.

Because EVERYTIME a man IS HEARING About the Lord - two things are happening.
1) the man IS being enlightened.
2) As long as the man IS being enlightened;
The Lord is "GIFTING" that man with "FAITH".

Hearing alot = becoming enlightened ALOT
Being enlightened ALOT = Faith increasing.

Stop hearing = stop being enlightened
Stop being enlightened = Faith falls away

Fall away = chances to RECEIVE Salvation becomes in jeopardy, that the man may forever LOSE his opportunity to RECEIVE Salvation.

Hearing KNOWLEDGE is the beginning of Faith.

UNDERSTANDING the KNOWLEDGE, is the transforming of a mans person, to BE in the LIKENESS as Christ....

The UNDERSTANDING of the KNOWLEDGE,
IS: according to GOD...NOT philosophies of men.

The UNDERSTANDING of the KNOWLEDGE,
IS: according to God; AND;
Given a man BY GOD HIMSELF.

Here is Gods KNOWLEDGE;
WHOSOEVER is born of God doth NOT COMMIT Sin....
1 John 3:9

So WHY are men teaching~
They are born of God and Committing Sin?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Becoming Saved and Born Again is a ONE TIME FOREVER commitment.

Here is Gods KNOWLEDGE;
WHOSOEVER is born of God doth NOT COMMIT Sin....
1 John 3:9

So WHY are men teaching~
They are born of God and Committing Sin?

God Bless,
Taken

Being saved and born-again is a one time event and settled forever. No commitment on my part is required. My faith in Christ is required.

Here is some more knowledge. (1 John 1:8-10) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Stranger

 

[Taken]

Being saved and born-again is a one time event and settled forever.

Agree.

No commitment on my part is required.

Disagree.
You were given FREEWILL to choose to hear, be enlightened, stuck with it, was given faith from God, and from your hearts thoughts;
ELECTED God.

A man first hears, then learns, about God, then decides to choose (elect)...

2 Pet 1:10
....give diligence to YOUR CALLING and ELECTION sure...

1 Thes 1:4
Kinowing, brethren beloved, YOUR ELECTION of God.

Rom 11:7
...but for (because of) the ELECTION hath Obtained IT...

My faith in Christ is required.

Agree.

Faith IS a gift given a man, from God.
Believe IN Christ Jesus, believe also IN He who sent Jesus.

[Here is some more knowledge. (1 John 1:8-10) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Yes the Scriptures are FULL OF KNOWLEDGE.

ALL of the KNOWLEDGE IS TRUE.

However NOT ALL of the Scriptural Knowledge "APPLIES" to ALL MEN.

1 John 1:8
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth (Jesus) is not in us."
(Applies to a man WHO does not believe in sin, or he was born in sin, or has committed sin, or believe in Jesus, thus does not have the truth (Jesus) in him.)

1 John 1
"IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us ours sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
(Applies to a man WHO believes in Jesus, believes he was born in sin, believes he has committed sin, has confessed his sins to the Lord, repented, and believes the faithful and just Lord Jesus has cleansed the man from ALL unrighteousness.)

1 John 1
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(Applies to a man who does not believe he has sinned, thus does not ask for or receive forgiveness, because it is a lie to say men have not sinned, and the man is void of the truth, thus the Word of God (Jesus), is not in the man)

Here is some more Knowledge..
Hear, Read, Study, make your calling and choices (election) sure, choose to Trust ALL of the Word of God is True.

Know, WHAT applies to you, and WHY.
Know, WHAT DOES NOT apply to you, and WHY.

Which is HOW one DIVIDES the Word of Truth.

A man WHO Rejects he was born in sin, or has committed sin..............IS NOT
THE SAME MAN, who has claimed he was born in sin, committed sin, and repented and was FORGIVEN and has (Jesus) the TRUTH within him.

2 Tim 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved UNTO GOD, a workman THAT needeth NOT BE ASHAMED,
RIGHTLY DIVIDING the WORD OF TRUTH.

I was born in sin, committed sin, was NOT born believing IN GOD, thus I "WAS" NOT with God.

I studied, learned About God, repented for NOT Believing, received faith, MADE MY ELECTION, was cleansed, saved, quickened, which IS CALLED:
MADE WHOLE, body, soul, spirit
Which IS CALLED;
Body -crucified, cleansed, sanctified, justified
Soul -restored, (saved)
Spirit -quickened, (born again)
Born of Gods (incorruptable Seed), (forever)

1 John 1
If we say we have not sinned....

Dividing the word of truth...
DOES NOT APPLY TO ME

1 John 1

IF we confess our sins...we become cleansed from ALL unrighteousness...the truth is in us...

Dividing the word of truth...
DOES APPLY TO ME

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God, doth NOT COMMIT SIN:for his seed remaineth in him and he CAN NOT SIN, because he is BORN OF GOD.

DOES APPLY TO ME

BECAUSE, I am born of Gods INCORRUPTABLE SEED.
BECAUSE, Gods incorruptable SEED remains IN ME, and KEEPS me FROM SIN FOREVER.

I fully understand....the difference between WHAT "WAS" and WHAT "IS NOW".

I "WAS" NATURALLY born of a corruptable mans seed, born "IN SIN", AGAINST GOD.
Subject TO DIE.

I am "NOW" SUPERNATURALLY born of Gods incorruptable Seed, "WITHOUT SIN".
Subject TO FOREVER LIFE, WITH GOD.

A man BORN OF GOD, DOES NOT SIN.

I am BORN OF GOD, And NO LONGER CAN SIN.

I HAVE the TRUTH IN ME, and AM NOT ASHAMED to claim HOW the Lord God Almighty has forgiven my sins, freed me from sin, and keeps me from ever again sinning.

What about the man WHO....claims...
"HE" is born of God...and continues to SIN?

Where is the TRUTH IN HIM, that SHAMES the Lord and makes Him a LIAR?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Disagree.
You were given FREEWILL to choose to hear, be enlightened, stuck with it, was given faith from God, and from your hearts thoughts;
ELECTED God.

However NOT ALL of the Scriptural Knowledge "APPLIES" to ALL MEN.

1 John 1:8
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth (Jesus) is not in us."
(Applies to a man WHO does not believe in sin, or he was born in sin, or has committed sin, or believe in Jesus, thus does not have the truth (Jesus) in him.)

1 John 1
"IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us ours sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
(Applies to a man WHO believes in Jesus, believes he was born in sin, believes he has committed sin, has confessed his sins to the Lord, repented, and believes the faithful and just Lord Jesus has cleansed the man from ALL unrighteousness.)

1 John 1
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(Applies to a man who does not believe he has sinned, thus does not ask for or receive forgiveness, because it is a lie to say men have not sinned, and the man is void of the truth, thus the Word of God (Jesus), is not in the man)

What about the man WHO....claims...
"HE" is born of God...and continues to SIN?

Where is the TRUTH IN HIM, that SHAMES the Lord and makes Him a LIAR?

God Bless,
Taken

You were given a will. But your will has never been free.

You did not elect God, elected you.

(1 John 1:8) applies to the born-again Cristian. You are a sinner.

(1 John 1:9) applies to the born-again Christian who has sinned.

(1 John 1:10) applies to the born-again Christian who claims he has not sinned, like you are claiming. That is the truth that calls the Lord a liar.

The man who is a Christian and whose life is characterized by sin, is not abiding in Christ. (1 John 3:6) He is allowing the old man to rule through the flesh.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

You were given a will. But your will has never been free.

Disagree.

Without a FREEWILL, Salvation would be Forced. It isn't.

Who forms a man? God
Where is a man formed? In the womb.
Who knows the man in the womb? God
Who KNOWS what a man shall Believe? God
How MANY men, can believe in their mind?
....MANY men.
How MANY men, who can believe in their mind ARE called by God? MANY
How MANY who ARE called, will believe in their hearts? FEW
How MANY men SHALL Elect God? FEW
How MANY SHALL God Elect? The Same FEW.

Many men shall be Called....FEW shall Choose (elect) God. God shall Call MANY and shall Choose (elect) the same FEW who chose Him.

You did not elect God

False. Already showed to you the supporting scriptures. That is on you to reject Scripture.

elected you

The Lord KNEW ME in the womb. I didn't KNOW ME. I was born, learned about myself, learned, learned about the Lord, Learned I was called by the Lord. I answered the Lords CALL, and called on the Lord and Elected the Lord, and became His ELECT.

(1 John 1:8) applies to the born-again Cristian.

Awesome ... you are human and HAVE SIN.

Where IS YOUR SIN?
Do Tell.
Can YOU SEE YOUR SIN?
Can God SEE YOUR SIN?
Why or Why not?

You are a sinner.

SinnER? You have ME, a NEW man confused with an OLD CRUCIFIED MAN.

My OLD man WAS a sinnER, and IS DEAD.
My NEW man CAN NOT COMMIT SIN.

Perhaps you could reveal HOW DEAD MEN COMMIT SIN.

(1 John 1:9) applies to the born-again Christian who has sinned.

(1 John 1:10) applies to the born-again Christian who claims he has not sinned, like you are claiming. That is the truth that calls the Lord a liar.

LOL LOL .... You have got to be JOKING...
A man WHO IS BORN AGAIN...
HAS claimed to have SINNED, and REPENTED of HIS SIN.

LOL

"the born again Christian who claims he has not sinned"

LOL .... duh...what ridiculous nonsense.

"like you are claiming"

FLAT OUT FALSE!!

How did you Figure claiming born in sin, committed sin......means claiming to NOT have sinned?

Ridiculous!

The man who is a Christian and whose life is characterized by sin, is not abiding in Christ. (1 John 3:6) He is allowing the old man to rule through the flesh.

Nonsense, and Nothing what 1 John 3:6 says.

Read the KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH.

WHOSOEVER is born of God DOES NOT COMMIT SIN.....CAN NOT SIN.

Jesus was BORN OF GOD...He CAN NOT SIN.

When the Lord gifts a man with HIS SEED, that effect a man being BORN OF GOD....

If YOU want to Make the Lord a LIAR, by claiming you ARE BORN OF GOD "AND" CONTINUE TO COMMIT SIN...that is On you.
I'll make my own claims...all you need do is pay attention to what I DO CLAIM for myself;
And NOT MAKE UP CLAIMS FOR ME.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Disagree.

Without a FREEWILL, Salvation would be Forced. It isn't.

Who forms a man? God
Where is a man formed? In the womb.
Who knows the man in the womb? God
Who KNOWS what a man shall Believe? God
How MANY men, can believe in their mind?
....MANY men.
How MANY men, who can believe in their mind ARE called by God? MANY
How MANY who ARE called, will believe in their hearts? FEW
How MANY men SHALL Elect God? FEW
How MANY SHALL God Elect? The Same FEW.

Many men shall be Called....FEW shall Choose (elect) God. God shall Call MANY and shall Choose (elect) the same FEW who chose Him.



False. Already showed to you the supporting scriptures. That is on you to reject Scripture.



The Lord KNEW ME in the womb. I didn't KNOW ME. I was born, learned about myself, learned, learned about the Lord, Learned I was called by the Lord. I answered the Lords CALL, and called on the Lord and Elected the Lord, and became His ELECT.



Awesome ... you are human and HAVE SIN.

Where IS YOUR SIN?
Do Tell.
Can YOU SEE YOUR SIN?
Can God SEE YOUR SIN?
Why or Why not?



SinnER? You have ME, a NEW man confused with an OLD CRUCIFIED MAN.

My OLD man WAS a sinnER, and IS DEAD.
My NEW man CAN NOT COMMIT SIN.

Perhaps you could reveal HOW DEAD MEN COMMIT SIN.





LOL LOL .... You have got to be JOKING...
A man WHO IS BORN AGAIN...
HAS claimed to have SINNED, and REPENTED of HIS SIN.

LOL



LOL .... duh...what ridiculous nonsense.



FLAT OUT FALSE!!

How did you Figure claiming born in sin, committed sin......means claiming to NOT have sinned?

Ridiculous!



Nonsense, and Nothing what 1 John 3:6 says.

Read the KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH.

WHOSOEVER is born of God DOES NOT COMMIT SIN.....CAN NOT SIN.

Jesus was BORN OF GOD...He CAN NOT SIN.

When the Lord gifts a man with HIS SEED, that effect a man being BORN OF GOD....

If YOU want to Make the Lord a LIAR, by claiming you ARE BORN OF GOD "AND" CONTINUE TO COMMIT SIN...that is On you.
I'll make my own claims...all you need do is pay attention to what I DO CLAIM for myself;
And NOT MAKE UP CLAIMS FOR ME.

God Bless,
Taken

I said you have a will, but it isn't free. Only God has free will. He wills outside of any circumstances which require a decision on His part. We, however, are forced to exercise our will due to outside forces acting for or against us. Outside forces that we have no control over.

God elects men. Men do not elect God. Men respond in accordance to God's election. Men exercise faith toward God.

That which you inherited from Adam you still have with you. This body of sin hasn't been born-again and will continue to sin. He is still dead to God. Just like before you were born-again, you were dead to God though you still lived on this earth. Until this body of sin dies and your are with God in Heaven, you will be a sinner.

Indeed you need no help making up claims. You have made up quite a few. If we say we have no sin, we as Christians are liars and have made God a liar.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

I said you have a will, but it isn't free. Only God has free will. He wills outside of any circumstances which require a decision on His part. We, however, are forced to exercise our will due to outside forces acting for or against us. Outside forces that we have no control over.

Disagree. Freewill is simply one making a choice.

People exercise their Freewill based on knowledge, influences, fear or desire.

God elects men.

Didn't say otherwise.
But you make no mention of WHY.
God makes people HIS PEOPLE, AFTER the People AGREE, by exercising their freewill, to submit to the Word of God.

Men do not elect God.

Flat out AGAINST Scripture.

1 Thes 1:4
......YOUR ELECTION OF GOD.

Men respond in accordance to God's election.

God reveals His Word. God calls Many.
Men Elect (choose) to trust to believe or not.

Men exercise faith toward God.

Faith in/unto/toward God, is a Gift from God.

That which you inherited from Adam you still have with you.

Correction; I have forgiven sin in me, that is covered with the Lords Light, that He remembers no more.

This body of sin hasn't been born-again

My body's sin, is forgiven and covered. It shall never be "born-again". It shall be raised up to meet the Lord in the air and glorified.

and will continue to sin.

That IS FALSE, and directly in contrast, for a man born of God.

DIRECT CONTRAST TO THE WORD OF GOD. 1 John 3:9

He is still dead to God. Just like before you were born-again, you were dead to God though you still lived on this earth.

Well aware, right after a natural birth, a man is dead to God.
Also well aware, right after being crucified with Christ, my body of sin is dead, and sanctified.

Until this body of sin dies

Uh....already have fulfilled the death of my body; Crucified with Christ; and the Lord thereafter, cleansed, sanctified, and justified my body TO be Kept with Christ, and Redeemed By Jesus.

and your are with God in Heaven, you will be a sinner.

You seem to not know the difference between, a man who is a Forgiven sinner, who sins no more, and a man who is an active sinner.

Indeed you need no help making up claims.

Indeed, you have not yet quoted my words, that are not verified with Scripture.

You have made up quite a few.

You are simply stating your opinion; but have failed to quote me saying anything made up.

If we say we have no sin,

Oops...again you have OMITTED me making such a claim.

we as Christians are liars and have made God a liar.

Are you born of God?
Do you claim you still Commit sin?

If so, you are the one making God a Liar.

Taken

 

[Stranger]

Disagree. Freewill is simply one making a choice.

People exercise their Freewill based on knowledge, influences, fear or desire.



Didn't say otherwise.
But you make no mention of WHY.
God makes people HIS PEOPLE, AFTER the People AGREE, by exercising their freewill, to submit to the Word of God.



Flat out AGAINST Scripture.

1 Thes 1:4
......YOUR ELECTION OF GOD.



God reveals His Word. God calls Many.
Men Elect (choose) to trust to believe or not.



Faith in/unto/toward God, is a Gift from God.



Correction; I have forgiven sin in me, that is covered with the Lords Light, that He remembers no more.



My body's sin, is forgiven and covered. It shall never be "born-again". It shall be raised up to meet the Lord in the air and glorified.



That IS FALSE, and directly in contrast, for a man born of God.

DIRECT CONTRAST TO THE WORD OF GOD. 1 John 3:9



Well aware, right after a natural birth, a man is dead to God.
Also well aware, right after being crucified with Christ, my body of sin is dead, and sanctified.



Uh....already have fulfilled the death of my body; Crucified with Christ; and the Lord thereafter, cleansed, sanctified, and justified my body TO be Kept with Christ, and Redeemed By Jesus.



You seem to not know the difference between, a man who is a Forgiven sinner, who sins no more, and a man who is an active sinner.



Indeed, you have not yet quoted my words, that are not verified with Scripture.



You are simply stating your opinion; but have failed to quote me saying anything made up.



Oops...again you have OMITTED me making such a claim.



Are you born of God?
Do you claim you still Commit sin?

If so, you are the one making God a Liar.

Taken

You are describing 'will'. You are not describing 'free will'. Your will is not free. It is always having to act on forces which act on you which are out of your control. Thus it is not free. Only God has 'free will'.

For example, which I have given numerous times: You are out with your boat on a lake with your two children. None of yall have life vests on. You have a boating accident and all three of yall are thrown into the water. Your children are thrown into opposite directions from you at about the same distance apart, with you in between them, and they cry for your help. It is a distance that you know you can only save one because you don't have the strength to go again to the other. Which one do you save? You must act quick or you lose them both. What is your will? Your will is that you can save both. But you don't get your will. Because the circumstances control how you exercise your will. Your will is not free. You will exercise your will and save one. You couldn't exercise free will and save both.

A person is of God long before they make any decision for God or faith in Christ. Even though they don't know it until they come to that decision. It is because they are of God that they make that decision.

(Eph. 1:4) doesn't say man elects God. It says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." God has chosen. Not man.

I didn't say your sin wasn't covered. I said you still have that which you inherited from Adam with you. This body of sin. It is not born-again and still sins. Yes it shall be raised a glorified body, but for now it is still a sinful body. It doesn't matter that those sins are covered. It is a sinful body and you commit sins with it.

Well apparently you were not too 'well aware' as you're the one who asked me how does a dead man commit sin? Now you know. So you either didn't know before and now do. Or you knew and were just playing stupid hoping you would not get caught. I lean toward the former.

The death of your body of sin is not fully accomplished till it dies on this earth and your spirit goes to be with God. That it is considered dead to God and He acts as though it is dead to Him, yes. But it is not fully accomplished till you die on this earth. Which makes you still a sinner before God. Just remember (1 John 1:9) . Or, do you have no sins to confess to God?

It wasn't my opinion. You're the one saying you are making claims. I just agreed with you. You make many claims. Just untrue.

So, do you as a Christian sin, and confess your sin?

I am born of God, and do still sin. Just as (1 John 1:8) says. I acknowledge it as I should in (1 John 1:9). To you who deny you are a sinner and have not sinned, you lie to yourself and to God. And, His word is not in you.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

You are describing 'will'. You are not describing 'free will'. Your will is not free. It is always having to act on forces which act on you which are out of your control. Thus it is not free. Only God has 'free will'.

For example, which I have given numerous times: You are out with your boat on a lake with your two children. None of yall have life vests on. You have a boating accident and all three of yall are thrown into the water. Your children are thrown into opposite directions from you at about the same distance apart, with you in between them, and they cry for your help. It is a distance that you know you can only save one because you don't have the strength to go again to the other. Which one do you save? You must act quick or you lose them both. What is your will? Your will is that you can save both. But you don't get your will. Because the circumstances control how you exercise your will. Your will is not free. You will exercise your will and save one. You couldn't exercise free will and save both.

A person is of God long before they make any decision for God or faith in Christ. Even though they don't know it until they come to that decision. It is because they are of God that they make that decision.

(Eph. 1:4) doesn't say man elects God. It says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." God has chosen. Not man.

I never mentioned Eph 1:4
I did however mention 1 Thes 1:4
Knowing...your election of God.

You and I have similar knowledge....
Will, freewill, knowledge, calling, choosing, electing...

Where you and I differ is: for each of those things....you do not consider BOTH parties.

For example you flat out say, God does the choosing...not man.

Just as God chooses, elects, calls, has a will so does mankind.

A woman may choose a man...so what...IF the man does not ALSO choose her.

Same with God. He chose to create, He chose What to create, He provides His creations all they Need.....to exist Naturally on earth....AND to exist Supernaturally forever WITH Him.

In order for a man TO BE FOREVER with God; He MUST freely Choose God.

It man who is naturally BORN without God, without Believing in God. And it is Gods WILL, that ALL shall believe, and ALL WILL Believe. Not by FORCE.

I didn't say your sin wasn't covered.

I KNOW. I said MY SIN IS COVERED, as Scripture says MY SIN IS COVERED.

[/QUOTE] I said you still have that which you inherited from Adam with you. This body of sin.[/QUOTE]

And? While TRUE, a man born in sin, who has commited sin.....that sin DID NOT DISAPPEAR....

I can NOT SEE that sin.
God CAN NOT SEE that sin.
Can YOU see a mans sin?

So what about it? Why is it relevant?
Do you know WHY God can NOT SEE IT?

SIN IS darkness....Gods Spirit IS LIGHT.
Gods Spirit WITHIN the MAN OVERSHADOWS the darkness, ie the sin.

God not only DOES NOT SEE THAT SIN....
He has forgiven THAT SIN....
And God Himself remembers it NO MORE.
So why should I? I don't.
And there you and I are different. YOU keep the memory of your Sin, and appear to ALSO want me to keep memory of My sin, the Lord has ALREADY FORGIVEN.

It is not born-again and still sins.

Nothing teaches the BODY is born again.
Scripture teaches;
Souls, ARE RESTORED, ie saved.
Body's, ARE CHANGED, sanctified, glorified.
Natural spirits, ARE BORN Again, ie with Gods Seed

The BODY is SANCTIFIED, ON EARTH, in it's natural body, WHEN the man ELECTS God.

The BODY is GLORIFIED, in the AIR, changing it from natural with temporary mortal life; TO supernatural eternal immortal life.

Yes it shall be raised a glorified body, but for now it is still a sinful body.

A sinful body IF, the man has NOT elected God.

A forgiven and sanctified body IF, the man HAS elected God.

It doesn't matter that those sins are covered. It is a sinful body and you commit sins with it.

Do tell....how your opinion supersedes Scripture.

Do tell HOW a sanctified, born of God, man CONTINUES TO COMMIT SIN, when Scripture says the COMPLETE OPPOSITE .

Well apparently you were not too 'well aware' as you're the one who asked me how does a dead man commit sin?

Asking you a question does not mean I do not know the answer.
It simply means I am looking for Your understanding.

Now you know. So you either didn't know before and now do. Or you knew and were just playing stupid hoping you would not get caught. I lean toward the former.

Actually you did not address the point.
You are moreso addressing your thoughts on me asking you a question.

Jesus IS ALL KNOWING....go review HOW MANY times He asked questions.
Again, asking a question is simply a way to find out what other people believe and their understanding of their beliefs.

The death of your body of sin is not fully accomplished till it dies on this earth

Not true. Scripture is BROAD, that it covers EVERY situation of mankind. But NOT every situation APPLIES to every single man.

Man is APPOINTED ONCE to die....the scripture gives no Caveat, LIKE YOU JUST Did.

Observe... 1 Thes 4:1
Then we which are ALIVE and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...

This is a physically ALIVE BODY....BUT fulfilled it's DEATH APPOINTMENT, when it was Crucified with Christ.

Body's crucified with CHRIST, physically dead, or physically alive....HAVE accomplished their ONE TIME DEATH APPOINTMENT.

You take a worldly stance....that YOU are not yet accomplished, ie: MADE WHOLE, "until YOU see the glorification of your body"...thus you revel in teaching YOU, still SIN.

MY BODY IS DEAD TO SIN, FREED FROM SIN.
God Chose me, I chose God. He made MY Body WHOLLY WHOLE, body, soul, spirit..
He forgave and covered my body of Sin, sanctified my body, and Keeps it until He CALLS my Body up to Him in the Clouds, with my reward of Bodily Glorification.

and your spirit goes to be with God.

Eh, If I physically die BEFORE the Lords Return....
My Body will return to dust.
My Living Soul will return to Heaven.
My Living spirit will return to God.

That it is considered dead to God and He acts as though it is dead to Him, yes. But it is not fully accomplished till you die on this earth.

My bodily death was ACCOMPLISHED according to Gods WAY, via Crucified with Christ.

Which makes you still a sinner before God.

You should do a study on SIN, SINNER, IS SIN, COMMITTING SIN, and WHO SIN IS COMMITTED AGAINST, and WHY.

Just remember (1 John 1:9)

Actually I read ALL Scripture, to determine what APPLIES TO ME and WHAT DOES NOT.

Or, do you have no sins to confess to God?

Well, uh, already notified you I was naturally born in SIN, and committed SIN....
Ding, ding, ding, Already confessed.
Ding, ding, ding, Already received Forgiveness.
Ding, ding, ding. Already been made WHOLLY WHOLE...sanctified body, restored soul, quickened spirit...
Ding, ding, ding. Am Born of God.
Ding, ding, ding. I sin NO MORE.

It wasn't my opinion. You're the one saying you are making claims. I just agreed with you. You make many claims. Just untrue.

So, do you as a Christian sin, and confess your sin?

I am a person BORN OF GOD...
Whosoever is BORN OF GOD, can not sin!
1 John 3:9

I am born of God, and do still sin.

Your claim, makes Scripture a LIE.

Just as (1 John 1:8) says. I acknowledge it as I should in (1 John 1:9).

It appears you APPLY EVERY Scripture to yourself.

I don't. When I have accomplished what Scripture requires.....
I do not APPLY Scripture to me, that APPLIES to those who HAVE NOT Accomplished becoming made WHOLE.

To you who deny you are a sinner and have not sinned,

I have NEVER claimed to have NOT SINNED.
I DO CLAIM, I my SIN IS FORGIVEN, COVERED, I am BORN of God and SIN NO MORE.

you lie to yourself and to God. And, His word is not in you.

Go tell that to someone WHO HAS CLAIMED they have never sinned.

Scripture teaches HOW TO BE CONVERTED AND RECONCILED, AND MADE WHOLE...

You teach it is NOT TRUE, until you physically die, can SEE your glorified body.

THAT IS NOT WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES.