The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[LoveYeshua]

Oh my! Did you read the scriptures you quoted?

10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

1.“Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

2. “Do not make any idols.

3. Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

4. “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons. “No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

5. “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

6. “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

7. Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

8. “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

9. “Bring the best of the first fruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

10. “Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments. Exodus 34:10-28

These are the Ten Commandment defined by God Himself. The Ten items in Chapter 20 are basic moral summaries of the 613 Mosaic Laws.

look I do not appreciate your sarcasm in what you wrote

You are toying with me and I won't bite so good luck to you and your sarcastic and false remarks, now do not bother a reply I am ignoring you no reason to continue. I have no time to waste with you.

Mat 7:6 Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

 

[Grailhunter]

look I do not appreciate your sarcasm in what you wrote

You are toying with me and I won't bite so good luck to you and your sarcastic and false remarks, now do not bother a reply I am ignoring you no reason to continue. I have no time to waste with you.

Mat 7:6 Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Scriptures are not sarcasm.
If you would just read them you would understand them.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Exodus 24
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the ears of the people. And they said, All that the LORD has said we will do, and be obedient. 8 And Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD has made with you concerning all these words.

Notice the covenant was ratified with blood, and the people's obedience to all God's Law, including the 10 Commandments, formed the basis of the covenant.

Te ten commandments inside the ark of the testimony are a testimony against you (as they always were) because you break the covenant. You have broken it and you will break it because you cannot perfectly fulfill them yourself.

An important mistake In what you wrote, is the rest of the law of Moses and not the Ten Commandments that were against the people, the Ten Commandments are GOD's Moral eternal unalterable LAW, There were put INSIDE the ARK OF THE COVENANT, the rest of the law if Moses was put OUTside the ark of the covenant, these were given for the transgression of Israel the Ten Commandments. I an provide the verses if you need.

Or why do you think there was a mercy seat covering it, which required the blood of atonement to be sprinkled on it by an earthly high priest once a year?

Where is the blood of your covenant? The blood of your atonement?

THE LAW CHANGED WHEN CHRIST HAD DIED FOR SINS

Where does it say the law changed? or rather how did it change?

I will continue later to answer the rest of your comments,thank you.

 

[GeneZ]

An important mistake In what you wrote, is the rest of the law of Moses and not the Ten Commandments that were against the people, the Ten Commandments are GOD's Moral eternal unalterable LAW, There were put INSIDE the ARK OF THE COVENANT, the rest of the law if Moses was put OUTside the ark of the covenant, these were given for the transgression of Israel the Ten Commandments. I an provide the verses if you need.

Where does it say the law changed? or rather how did it change?

I will continue later to answer the rest of your comments,thank you.

It did change.
It used to be that one would offer certain animals as a blood sacrifice for one's sins.

But after Christ died on the Cross?

Are you still mandated to offer an animal sacrifice for your sins?

 

[Grailhunter]

It did change.
It used to be that one would offer certain animals as a blood sacrifice for one's sins.

But after Christ died on the Cross?

Are you still mandated to offer an animal sacrifice for your sins?

The advent of Christ did not change the Laws. Christ even said that nothing changed. They are still in effect for those under the Old Covenant.....the Jews.

 

[GeneZ]

The advent of Christ did not change the Laws. Christ even said that nothing changed. They are still in effect for those under the Old Covenant.....the Jews.

The advent of Christ did not change the Laws. Christ even said that nothing changed. They are still in effect for those under the Old Covenant.....the Jews.

You have failed - 100% - to understand the atonement of the Cross.

Your thinking is why Hebrews 6:4-6 was written.

It was about Jewish believers who went back to the Temple to offer animal sacrifices.
The Word says that such religious thinking Jewish believers are impossible to repent.. and that they are CRUCIFYING the Lord afresh!

I was born and grew up Jewish.
To me it is the absolute stupidest thing a Jewish believer could do.
It insults and nullifies the efficacy of the Cross! Hebrews 6:4-6 says so!

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift,
who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the
powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. ​

Hebrews 6:4-6​

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[Gottservant]

It is our relationship to the Ten Commandments, which changes.

 

[Grailhunter]

You have failed - 100% - to understand the atonement of the Cross.

Take a flying leap!

But now we are getting somewhere.....written to Jewish-Christians.....good possibility.
Applies to anyone that abandons Christianity? Yes.
But there are other uniqueness-es about Hebrews.

 

[LoveYeshua]

It did change.
It used to be that one would offer certain animals as a blood sacrifice for one's sins.

But after Christ died on the Cross?

Are you still mandated to offer an animal sacrifice for your sins?

yes I agree, many of the laws pertaining to sacrifices are no longer necessary, Jesus was the final sacrifice. I am referring here to the core of the covenant, the ten commandments as defined by GOD. I thank you for your comments on this thread.

Blessings

 

[LoveYeshua]

It is our relationship to the Ten Commandments, which changes.

Could you elaborate further?

Thank you.

 

[Grailhunter]

yes I agree, many of the laws pertaining to sacrifices are no longer necessary, Jesus was the final sacrifice. I am referring here to the core of the covenant, the ten commandments as defined by GOD. I thank you for your comments on this thread.

Blessings

The ten summaries of the Mosaic Law (Chapter 20)….The actual Ten Commandments….(Chapter 34) and the 613 Mosaic Laws have nothing to do with Christianity….And keep in mind that you cannot peace meal the Laws it is all or nothing…..great sin to only observe part of them.

If you observe any of them….You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

So if you only observe a few of the Mosaic Law you have committed a great sin against God and if you observe any of them you are severed from Christianity and salvation. So you are cursed of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

then, please define the new covenant and what needs to be done, please quote scripture to prove your point like I did.

Some folks sure seem to forget GOD always has desired obediance .
But , for finding fault with them , HE said the days cometh wherein he would WRITE it upon their hearts .
Seems today many would rather turn Him into the minstir of whatever sin they so desire
and make claim that such words , such laws , do not apply to us today .
IN effect they do all to turn GOD , CHRIST into the minstir of sin , NOT HE WHO SETS ONE FREE FROM SIN
but rather free TO SIN . And that my friend is a deadly deadly version of GOD ,
cause IT AINT GOD . Man shall not lie with man , is as TRUE today as ever it was back then .
YE shall have no other god before , ye shall make no graven image and bow down to it
IS JUST as much sin to GOD today as it was back then .
MANY are trying to use grace to MAKE VOID the words of GOD . And that will not bode well for them
ON the day of the LORD .
IF one has the SPIRIT they would have loved HIS WORDS , for the SPIRIT sheds the LOVE from GOD upon our hearts .
AND THAT LOVE does this , LOVETH GOD , CHRIST ABOVE ALL , then our neighbor as ourself .
HIS LOVE does no evil . yet many sure seem to enjoy a love that calls evil good and good evil .
AND THAT love aint of GOD , its of the world and of darkness .

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus is the eternal mediator of a completely new and different covenant. It does not require your obedience to commandments or law that will always convict you of sin and cause you to die. Instead, the New Covenant requires your faith in Christ and in HIS blood of the eternal covenant and your abiding IN HIM so that the fruit that fulfills the ten commandments (of which the ten commandments are only a shadow) becomes YOUR fruit.

show me the verses that define this new and completely covenant, Yes it does require obedience to the ten commandments as GOD COMMANDS US TO DO SO! jesus was teaching the ten Commandments, as a requirement for etrenal life this is the proof! they are a COMMAND from GOD!

Matthew 19::
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, [b]“Why do you call Me good? [c]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ ”

this passage is very clear!!!

If you continue to hold onto that first covenant that was ratified with the blood of an animal and attempt to gain righteousness leading to eternal life through YOUR obedience to the ten commandments you will die an eternal death - because your best obedience will show up your disobedience and your sin, and that will lead to your eternal death.

why do you threaten me with eternal death?, One is to obey the commandments because we LOVE GOD not for self righteousness. Jesus death for us was the final atonement for sin that saves us, the true believers once and for all, I never said anything else. Paul's writings that are difficult to understand have confused you.

The ark of the testimony contained the ten commandments that are the testimony against us. That's why it was covered by a mercy seat that required a high priest to sprinkle the blood of an animal as a sacrifice of atonement for you once a year.

No here is the correct version the rest of the laws written by the hand of MOSES was the testimony against Israel for disobeying the ten commandments written on tablets of stone ( Permanent) by the finger of GOD in person! Big difference.

Deu 9:9 When I went up on the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the LORD made with you, I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I ate no bread and drank no water.

Deu 9:10 Then the LORD gave me the two stone tablets, inscribed by the finger of God with the exact words that the LORD spoke to you out of the fire on the mountain on the day of the assembly.
Deuteronomy 10:2 God instructed Moses to put the ten commandments inside the Ark of the Covenant.


now for the laws of Moses;

Deu 31:26 "Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."

Deu 31:27 For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are. If you are already rebelling against the LORD while I am still alive, how much more will you rebel after my death!

see the difference?

TRUST JESUS!!

I trust in Jesus completely and I rely on Him completely.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Some folks sure seem to forget GOD always has desired obediance .
But , for finding fault with them , HE said the days cometh wherein he would WRITE it upon their hearts .
Seems today many would rather turn Him into the minstir of whatever sin they so desire
and make claim that such words , such laws , do not apply to us today .
IN effect they do all to turn GOD , CHRIST into the minstir of sin , NOT HE WHO SETS ONE FREE FROM SIN
but rather free TO SIN . And that my friend is a deadly deadly version of GOD ,
cause IT AINT GOD . Man shall not lie with man , is as TRUE today as ever it was back then .
YE shall have no other god before , ye shall make no graven image and bow down to it
IS JUST as much sin to GOD today as it was back then .
MANY are trying to use grace to MAKE VOID the words of GOD . And that will not bode well for them
ON the day of the LORD .
IF one has the SPIRIT they would have loved HIS WORDS , for the SPIRIT sheds the LOVE from GOD upon our hearts .
AND THAT LOVE does this , LOVETH GOD , CHRIST ABOVE ALL , then our neighbor as ourself .
HIS LOVE does no evil . yet many sure seem to enjoy a love that calls evil good and good evil .
AND THAT love aint of GOD , its of the world and of darkness .

Oh yes I agree with what you say! thanks for posting.

 

[amigo de christo]

The ten summaries of the Mosaic Law….The actual Ten Commandments….and the 613 Mosaic Laws have nothing to do with Christianity….And keep in mind that you cannot peace meal the Laws it is all or nothing…..great sin to only observe part of them.

If you observe any of them….You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

So if you only observe a few of the Mosaic Law you have committed a great sin against God and if you observe any of them you are severed from Christianity and salvation. So you are cursed of God.

Here is the key .
Its not the obediance that is the problem . IN fact GOD desires our obediance .
ITS the idea we can attain our RIGHTEOUSNESS BY obeying by doing them .
We look not to the law for our righteounsess . IN fact it truly is impossible for man to be justified by the law .
For by the pure and holy law cometh the knowledge of sin . and WELL all have sinned . SO
to seek righteousness BY THE LAW , AND NOT BY FAITH , IS FUTILE .
BUT if while we seek to be justified by HIM , we ourselves are holding up rainbows , big ol dollah bills ,
loving up sin , YEAH HE AINT THE MINSTIR OF ALL Of that . WHO we obey IS WHOSE we are .
We dont make VOID the righteousness of the law by grace , THAT LOVE that fullfills the righteousness of the law
IS SHED UPON our hearts . TEACHING US TO DO GOOD .
THE SPIRIT is our guide and beleive me it dont lead us into sin . Too many are omitting certain sins
even calling such good . BUT they KNOW not GOD or HIS LOVE .
HIS LOVE would have LOVED HIM not trangressed his words . TO seek to be justifed by the law is vain .
But to use the name of JESUS to excuse sins , to overlook them , to accept them ,
WELL that aint coming of GOD , its of the dark one who presents a sin accepting jesus unto them . and that is a deadly one
to follow . the serpent can use the name of GOD , of CHRIST , but beware him cause he is gonna decieve and lie and twist things .

 

[Grailhunter]

Here is the key .
Its not the obediance that is the problem . IN fact GOD desires our obediance .
ITS the idea we can attain our RIGHTEOUSNESS BY obeying by doing them .
We look not to the law for our righteounsess . IN fact it truly is impossible for man to be justified by the law .
For by the pure and holy law cometh the knowledge of sin . and WELL all have sinned . SO
to seek righteousness BY THE LAW , AND NOT BY FAITH , IS FUTILE .
BUT if while we seek to be justified by HIM , we ourselves are holding up rainbows , big ol dollah bills ,
loving up sin , YEAH HE AINT THE MINSTIR OF ALL Of that . WHO we obey IS WHOSE we are .
We dont make VOID the righteousness of the law by grace , THAT LOVE that fullfills the righteousness of the law
IS SHED UPON our hearts . TEACHING US TO DO GOOD .
THE SPIRIT is our guide and beleive me it dont lead us into sin . Too many are omitting certain sins
even calling such good . BUT they KNOW not GOD or HIS LOVE .
HIS LOVE would have LOVED HIM not trangressed his words . TO seek to be justifed by the law is vain .
But to use the name of JESUS to excuse sins , to overlook them , to accept them ,
WELL that aint coming of GOD , its of the dark one who presents a sin accepting jesus unto them . and that is a deadly one
to follow . the serpent can use the name of GOD , of CHRIST , but beware him cause he is gonna decieve and lie and twist things .

We are Christians we do not follow observe, pay any attention to the practices of witches….Playing around with the Mosaic Law is ten times more damning. Do not post the Laws and do not consider them as moral guides. It is like playing with the fires of Hell. If the teachings of Christianity is not enough for you and you have to look at the Mosaic Law you are Hell bound.

Because you have committed one of the worst sin in the Old Covenant and you are severed from Christianity.

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh yes I agree with what you say! thanks for posting.

The devil is a liar and the father of all lies .
But it sure sadly seems a lot of even christendom have chosen to love a lie .
The proof of our love to GOD is seen by our love FOR GOD .
HE who loveth , obeys the ONE He loves . And GOD is not in the business of teaching lies and trangressions
of his own words . satan , he the one who do that mess .
WHO we obey IS whose we are . The grace of GOD that brings salvation BY CHRIST JESUS
teaches us , Not to be living it up in sin
but to be denying sin . denying our flesh .
Living righteously , holy , godly in this present world .
Not holding up rainbows of sin , and calling good evil and evil good , calling hate love and love hate .
This generation is backwards . IT follows a love that GOD would call hate
and it embraces hate and calls it love and loving and of GOD .
Something has went dead wrong . THESE be the LAST HOURS upon earth .
And an all inclusive image of what they all see as GOD , has been created .
done so in the image of humanity , of man , a image that all false religoins can even embrace and call GOD and love.
WHO YA THINK DONE THIS . WHO has always desired to be AS GOD
and how does he get the worship
HOW does one have their conversation with him , THROUGOH THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH .
SATAN IS GETTING THEIR WORSHIP NOT GOD . but many thinks its GOD and its love .
HE IS SLICK my friend . but the sheep heed not his voice . The sheep heed the voice OF CHRIST JESUS
who is NO minsitir of sin , of rebellion , of transgression . many , however sure seem to follow
a version of jesus that has led them into UPMOST trangressions and rebellion to GOD .
THIS DID NOT and WOULD NOT CHRIST HAVE DONE . but the devil will . OH he loveth the worsip of man
and also desires THEIR DEATH . so he and his minstirs do lie to this people and sadly many seem to love to have it so .

 

[amigo de christo]

We are Christians we do not follow observe, pay any attention to the practices of witches….Playing around with the Mosaic Law is ten times more damning. Do not post the Laws and do not consider them as moral guides. It is like playing with the fire of Hell. If the teachings of Christianity is not enough and you have to look at the Mosaic Law you are Hell bound.

Because you have committed one of the worst sin in the Old Covenant and you are severed from Christianity.

Please tell me you are kidding .
PAUL , how often did he say do not MURDER , DO NOT LIE to one another , PUT OFF the old man .
HE USED THE LAW FOR CORRECTION and REMINDER
but never to JUSTIFY . HECK he even quoates the fifth commandment to a church
Children obey your parents . You would have condmened paul as a phariseee
and yet the man wrote more about HOW one cannot be justified by the law than others did .
This generation has no idea what legaislism has done to its minds .
IT has made them ill affected .
PLease , let us just read the bible for ourselves .

 

[Grailhunter]

Please tell me you are kidding .
PAUL , how often did he say do not MURDER , DO NOT LIE to one another , PUT OFF the old man .
HE USED THE LAW FOR CORRECTION and REMINDER
but never to JUSTIFY . HECK he even quoates the fifth commandment to a church
Children obey your parents . You would have condmened paul as a phariseee
and yet the man wrote more about HOW one cannot be justified by the law than others did .
This generation has no idea what legaislism has done to its minds .
IT has made them ill affected .
PLease , let us just read the bible for ourselves .

Strangely enough witches and Hindus have moral guides and some are similar to Christianity but you do not to want look at Hindu law and post them.

No affiliation. Paul never said look to the Mosaic Law in whole or in part for any moral guide. What I said stands as I said it. You like Hell mess around with the Mosaic Laws. If you cannot control yourself then convert to Judaism, they will be happy to have you.

 

[amigo de christo]

We are Christians we do not follow observe, pay any attention to the practices of witches….Playing around with the Mosaic Law is ten times more damning. Do not post the Laws and do not consider them as moral guides. It is like playing with the fires of Hell. If the teachings of Christianity is not enough for you and you have to look at the Mosaic Law you are Hell bound.

Because you have committed one of the worst sin in the Old Covenant and you are severed from Christianity.

any one who looks to the LAW to justify themselves IS the one who has fallen from grace .
NOT the one who uses it for correction .
SOmething has went wrong . Its trying to justify oneself by the law that is deadly .
Do not post laws . SO if i were to write to the church reminding
them hey children obey your parents for this is the first COMMANDMENT WITH PROMISE
you telling me i would be a devil . PUAL DID THIS . HE reminded them is all .
To use the law and the words of the prophets as reminders IS GOOD . all scripture is given by inspiration of GOD
and it is profitable for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS , for CORECTION
just not as a means to try and justify oneself by their own deeds .
Paul never used the law as a means to JUISTFY oneself . BUT HE SURE DID use it for correction and etc .
Those who taught legalism to this people used partial truths , and yet still twisted things to decieve them .
Your telling me paul was SEVERED FROM CHRISTANITY . Please just read the bible for yourself .
I told us these men are slick and can decieve , not even knowing they are decieved themselves .
It becomes quite clear in time if we just read it for ourselves .