The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[amigo de christo]

Strangely enough witches and Hindus have moral guides and some are similar to Christianity but you do not to want look at Hindu law and post them.

No affiliation. Paul never said look to the Mosaic Law in whole or in part for any moral guide. What I said stands as I said it. You like Hell mess around with the Mosaic Laws. If you cannot control yourself then convert to Judaism, they will be happy to have you.

OF course not . In fact i often make that point myself to this sold out interfiath lovey do satanic religoin so many seem to be lvoing on .
Cause they are trying to cliam if all these false religoins are just doing the great commandemnt
then they do know GOD . TWO things on that note . THEY AINT DOING the great commandment
CAUSE THEY HAVE NO LOVE FOR GOD , had they loved GOD they had loved HIS CHRIST
so all this lovey do crap is a lie from hell . thanks for helping me to expose that false love judge not correct not lie .
I know ol budda and false religoins can quoate certain truths , BUT THEY KNOW NOT THE TRUTH
at all . BUT todays lovey do just says DONT JUDGE , HEY they love god in their own way .
WE are in a total mess these days .

 

[amigo de christo]

Strangely enough witches and Hindus have moral guides and some are similar to Christianity but you do not to want look at Hindu law and post them.

No affiliation. Paul never said look to the Mosaic Law in whole or in part for any moral guide. What I said stands as I said it. You like Hell mess around with the Mosaic Laws. If you cannot control yourself then convert to Judaism, they will be happy to have you.

But did he ever use the law as a means for correction . YOU BET HE DID .
NO murderer , whoremonger , liar , covetous etc man shall INHERIT the KINGDOM OF GOD .
THE LAW warned against all of that . You can use the law
you just dont seek to be justified by the law. use it big time to also preach JESUS to the lost .
Another means as well . But you can use the law also for correction .
Legalism , those who taught it , had some truths but as usual they had some wacked out concpets too .
We had done far better to have learned the bible for ourselves than to have sat under these men .
As far as converting to judaism , ITS NOT ME making the cliams as john hagee and all others
the things they do . I keep reminding all THAT BOTH THE JEW and GENTILE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
i aint the one putting peoples hopes into an earthen temple or into a people born a jew .
BUT MOST SURE DO TODAY . i see lots of hyprocrisy going on ROUND here .
WE reallly should have learnd the scrips for ourselves . It aint me preaching a false love and unbelief .
GIVING out false hope and trying to down TONE in any way THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
ITS THIS LOVEY DO SOLD OUT JUDGE NOT CORRECT camp DOING IT . man this generation is in dire trouble .

 

[Grailhunter]

But did he ever use the law as a means for correction . YOU BET HE DID .
NO murderer , whoremonger , liar , covetous etc man shall INHERIT the KINGDOM OF GOD .
THE LAW warned against all of that . You can use the law
you just dont seek to be justified by the law. use it big time to also preach JESUS to the lost .
Another means as well . But you can use the law also for correction .
Legalism , those who taught it , had some truths but as usual they had some wacked out concpets too .
We had done far better to have learned the bible for ourselves than to have sat under these men .
As far as converting to judaism , ITS NOT ME making the cliams as john hagee and all others
the things they do . I keep reminding all THAT BOTH THE JEW and GENTILE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
i aint the one putting peoples hopes into an earthen temple or into a people born a jew .
BUT MOST SURE DO TODAY . i see lots of hyprocrisy going on ROUND here .
WE reallly should have learnd the scrips for ourselves . It aint me preaching a false love and unbelief .
GIVING out false hope and trying to down TONE in any way THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
ITS THIS LOVEY DO SOLD OUT JUDGE NOT CORRECT camp DOING IT . man this generation is in dire trouble .

Basic morals are taught in the New Covenant.
No need to look to the Old Covenant unless you want to abandon Christianity for Judaism.
The Mosaic Laws are a failed set of Laws.
I am not going to repeat myself. Do you want to be in the Old Coveanant or the New....your choice but you cannot be in both.

 

[Zao is life]

show me the verses that define this new and completely covenant, Yes it does require obedience to the ten commandments as GOD COMMANDS US TO DO SO! jesus was teaching the ten Commandments, as a requirement for etrenal life this is the proof! they are a COMMAND from GOD!

I trust in Jesus completely and I rely on Him completely.

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No you don't. Your words show that you trust in your obedience to the ten commandments that formed the basis of the Old Covenant, which required the blood of animals to be sacrificed for your transgression of the very commandments (law, Old Covenant), and you believe that you must somehow earn your own righteousness that leads to eternal life, through your obedience to those ten commandments.

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The things you say show that you are not trusting alone in the righteousness of Christ who is YHVH our righteousness and obeyed on our behalf and is alive before God right now.

You cannot add to His obedience to and fulfillment of the commandments with your own obedience.

An important mistake In what you wrote, is the rest of the law of Moses and not the Ten Commandments that were against the people, the Ten Commandments are GOD's Moral eternal unalterable LAW, There were put INSIDE the ARK OF THE COVENANT, the rest of the law if Moses was put OUTside the ark of the covenant, these were given for the transgression of Israel the Ten Commandments. I an provide the verses if you need.

There was a mercy-seat covering the ark of the testimony which contained the ten commandments in them, which required the blood of atonement - the sacrifice made for the sins and transgressions of the commandments inside the ark to be sprinkled on it.

The ten commandments were a testimony against us.

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.​

The ten commandments are indeed unalterable, and that's why, the longer you attempt to be righteous by obedience to them, the longer they will convict you as a sinner.

Romans 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

How do you do that? Jesus told you how, and gave you only ONE commandment that fulfills all ten.

I'm talking to myself also, obviously. But I'm trying to get you to understand that your belief in commandments that formed part of THE OLD COVENANT and obedience to those commandments is taking you away from Christ:

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

"Thou shalt not covet" is one of the ten commandments. The ten commandments convicts us as sinners. The wages of sin is death. The ten commandments are a testimony AGAINST us. That's why the mercy seat was needed to cover the 10 commandments and why the blood of the sacrifice of atonement needed to be sprinkled upon it to cover the sins - transgressions of the law (including the ten commandments) - of the people. ​

The law and the ten commandments, and perfect obedience to it, formed the basis of the Old Covenant - and God said "Be holy, for I am holy".

Where does it say the law changed? or rather how did it change?

Hebrews 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 9
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

The ten commandments contained in the ark of the testimony and the sprinkling of the blood of atonement upon the mercy seat covering it inside the earthly tabernacle were ALL PART OF, AND REQUIRED BY, THE OLD COVENANT, AND ARE PART OF THE PATTERNS, which are the figures of the true

- AND ALL OF THAT WAS WEAK, SAYS PAUL, BECAUSE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS COULD NOT PRODUCE RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR YOU OR ME OR ANYONE ELSE AND SO LEAD TO ETERNAL LIFE,

BECAUSE YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE IS INCAPABLE OF OBEYING THEM PERFECTLY IN THOUGHT, WORD AND DEED FROM BIRTH TO DEATH. IN SHORT, YOU AND I ARE INCAPABLE OF BEING HOLY, AS GOD IS HOLY.

The ten commandments and the obedience of the people to them formed the basis of the Old Covenant - which was a covenant of law - but it was weak through the flesh of fallen humanity and became a testimony AGAINST us which leads to DEATH, not life. That's why there was a mercy seat covering the ark - in that which was a pattern of the new covenant in CHRIST'S blood.

Perfect obedience to the ten commandments = righteousness that leads to eternal life.

Failure to obey - even in thoughts and desires and even once - leads to death. If you continue to hold onto the ten commandments and believe that you should obey them in order to please God, or in order to obtain your own righteousness, then you will die in your sins.

The law and commandments are instruction in righteousness (in what is righteous and what is sinful) and are meant to lead you to Christ in the knowledge that the commandments convict you of sin leading to death.

 

[LoveYeshua]

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No you don't. Your words show that you trust in your obedience to the ten commandments that formed the basis of the Old Covenant, which required the blood of animals to be sacrificed for your transgression of the very commandments (law, Old Covenant), and you believe that you must somehow earn your own righteousness that leads to eternal life, through your obedience to those ten commandments.

​

The things you say show that you are not trusting alone in the righteousness of Christ who is YHVH our righteousness and obeyed on our behalf and is alive before God right now.

You cannot add to His obedience to and fulfillment of the commandments with your own obedience.



There was a mercy-seat covering the ark of the testimony which contained the ten commandments in them, which required the blood of atonement - the sacrifice made for the sins and transgressions of the commandments inside the ark to be sprinkled on it.

The ten commandments were a testimony against us.

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.​

The ten commandments are indeed unalterable, and that's why, the longer you attempt to be righteous by obedience to them, the longer they will convict you as a sinner.

Romans 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

How do you do that?

Jesus gives you only ONE commandment - to love your brethren as He loved you.

I'm talking to myself also, obviously. But I'm trying to get you to understand that your belief in commandments that formed part of THE OLD COVENANT and obedience to those commandments is taking you away from Christ:

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

"Thou shalt not covet" is one of the ten commandments. The ten commandments convicts us as sinners. The wages of sin is death. The ten commandments are a testimony AGAINST us. That's why the mercy seat was needed to cover the 10 commandments and why the blood of the sacrifice of atonement needed to be sprinkled upon it to cover the sins - transgressions of the law (including the ten commandments) - of the people. ​

The law and the ten commandments, and perfect obedience to it, formed the basis of the Old Covenant - and God said "Be holy, for I am holy".



Hebrews 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 9
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

The ten commandments contained in the ark of the testimony and the sprinkling of the blood of atonement upon the mercy seat covering it inside the earthly tabernacle were ALL PART OF, AND REQUIRED BY, THE OLD COVENANT, AND ARE PART OF THE PATTERNS, which are the figures of the true

- AND ALL OF THAT WAS WEAK, SAYS PAUL, BECAUSE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS COULD NOT PRODUCE RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR YOU OR ME OR ANYONE ELSE AND SO LEAD TO ETERNAL LIFE,

BECAUSE YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE IS INCAPABLE OF OBEYING THEM PERFECTLY IN THOUGHT, WORD AND DEED FROM BIRTH TO DEATH. IN SHORT, YOU AND I ARE INCAPABLE OF BEING HOLY, AS GOD IS HOLY.

The ten commandments and the obedience of the people to them formed the basis of the Old Covenant - which was a covenant of law - but it was weak through the flesh of fallen humanity and became a testimony AGAINST us which leads to DEATH, not life. That's why there was a mercy seat covering the ark - in that which was a pattern of the new covenant in CHRIST'S blood.

Perfect obedience to the ten commandments = righteousness that leads to eternal life.

Failure to obey - even in thoughts and desires and even once - leads to death. If you continue to hold onto the ten commandments and believe that you should obey them in order to please God, or in order to obtain your own righteousness, then you will die in your sins.

The law and commandments are instruction in righteousness (in what is righteous and what is sinful) and are meant to lead you to Christ in the knowledge that the commandments convict you of sin leading to death.

We can agree to disagree. Paul is difficult to understand and tou do not grasp the proper context. I just want you to see you quoted only paul, for a person who say to trust in jesus, you completely ignore what he said.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Jesus was teaching the Ten Commandments and observed the sabbath, is that evidence that they are no longer in application, quite the contrary.

He was still observing the Law. He marched into the Temple still claiming "This is my Father's house" and turned the tables.They were not under the New Covenant yet; until He died and rose from the dead. The Temple veil tore when He died and then it was finished. At Pentecost the Church began with a New Temple.

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

Still under the Law at that time. Notice Jesus did not repeat keeping the Sabbath, because He is our Sabbath rest.

Faith Without Works Is Dead!!!

Yes, works of the Holy Spirit through us validates our faith. Itbis the " fruit if the Spirit", that God grows within us. He gets the credit. We did not earn Salvation. Eph. 2:8-9 ... Maybe you should get that verse on a placard and put it up on your wall.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The devil is a liar and the father of all lies .
But it sure sadly seems a lot of even christendom have chosen to love a lie .
The proof of our love to GOD is seen by our love FOR GOD .
HE who loveth , obeys the ONE He loves . And GOD is not in the business of teaching lies and trangressions
of his own words . satan , he the one who do that mess .
WHO we obey IS whose we are . The grace of GOD that brings salvation BY CHRIST JESUS
teaches us , Not to be living it up in sin
but to be denying sin . denying our flesh .
Living righteously , holy , godly in this present world .
Not holding up rainbows of sin , and calling good evil and evil good , calling hate love and love hate .
This generation is backwards . IT follows a love that GOD would call hate
and it embraces hate and calls it love and loving and of GOD .
Something has went dead wrong . THESE be the LAST HOURS upon earth .
And an all inclusive image of what they all see as GOD , has been created .
done so in the image of humanity , of man , a image that all false religoins can even embrace and call GOD and love.
WHO YA THINK DONE THIS . WHO has always desired to be AS GOD
and how does he get the worship
HOW does one have their conversation with him , THROUGOH THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH .
SATAN IS GETTING THEIR WORSHIP NOT GOD . but many thinks its GOD and its love .
HE IS SLICK my friend . but the sheep heed not his voice . The sheep heed the voice OF CHRIST JESUS
who is NO minsitir of sin , of rebellion , of transgression . many , however sure seem to follow
a version of jesus that has led them into UPMOST trangressions and rebellion to GOD .
THIS DID NOT and WOULD NOT CHRIST HAVE DONE . but the devil will . OH he loveth the worsip of man
and also desires THEIR DEATH . so he and his minstirs do lie to this people and sadly many seem to love to have it so .

also from scripture ;

In Matthew 22:14, Jesus says, "For many are called, but few are chosen." This verse comes from the parable of the wedding feast and illustrates the idea that while God extends an invitation to many (i.e., the call), only a few respond in a way that leads to salvation.


In Matthew 13:15, Jesus explains, "For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them." Jesus is describing why some people fail to respond to His message. It's a reference to a deeper spiritual condition—people may be called, but they choose to close their hearts and reject the truth, making it difficult for them to recover.

In Hebrews 6:4-6, the author warns, "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance..." This passage emphasizes that if someone has been deeply exposed to the truth of Scripture and the gospel, and then chooses to reject it, it becomes spiritually very difficult to "recover" or return to repentance. It's a strong warning about the seriousness of turning away from God after having experienced His truth.

In Romans 9:18, Paul writes, "So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills." Paul explains that God's sovereignty extends to both showing mercy and hardening hearts. This hardening isn’t arbitrary, but it's tied to God's purposes—whether for judgment or for demonstrating His justice and glory.

In Romans 1:24-26, Paul says, "Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity..." This passage speaks about how God "gave them up" to their sinful desires as part of His judgment. While this isn't a direct "hardening," it reflects a similar principle: when people persist in rejecting God and turning to sin, God allows them to follow their own path, which ultimately leads to spiritual hardening.


Not everyone responds to God’s call. Some reject the truth once they have encountered it, making it difficult for them to come back to repentance. Regarding the hardening of hearts, God, in His sovereignty, can harden hearts (like Pharaoh’s) as part of His divine plan or judgment. But this hardening is not always a random act; it often corresponds to a person’s stubbornness or rejection of God.

When they constantly reject the truth of scripture I try and try hoping that one day they see the truth but with some others It becomes obvious they probably cannot be saved. they prefer the easy way, to disobey God's Commands ( the ten Commandments) in the ARK OF THE COVENANT....


Blessings Amigo

 

[LoveYeshua]

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He was still observing the Law. He marched into the Temple still claiming "This is my Father's house" and turned the tables.They were not under the New Covenant yet; until He died and rose from the dead. The Temple veil tore when He died and then it was finished. At Pentecost the Church began with a New Temple.

Still under the Law at that time. Notice Jesus did not repeat keeping the Sabbath, because He is our Sabbath rest.

Yes, works of the Holy Spirit through us validates our faith. Itbis the " fruit if the Spirit", that God grows within us. He gets the credit. We did not earn Salvation. Eph. 2:8-9 ... Maybe you should get that verse on a placard and put it up on your wall.

This thread is about the covenant described by GOD as the ten commandments, the rest of the Law added by the hand of Moses is in some parts of it not useful anymore such as the sacrificial laws. I am not discussing this here but the base os the covenant, the ten commandments.

If you look closely, you will see in Matthew 28:16-20 and Mark 16:14-20 Jesus instructs the disciples to preach all he did and say to all peoples on earth, It is called the great comission. No excuses here, the message was for both jews and gentiles.

Remember Jesus preached the repentance from sin and the Kingdom of heaven and how to enter it. Please read the story of the rich young man asking Jesus what to do to have eternal life, Jesus replied with the ten commandments! this is the truth, please do nor reject it but I ask you examine these scripture.

Mat 19:16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”

Mat 19:17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Mat 19:18 “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Do you think Jesus being one with GOD changed his mind? Scripture is Clear GOD does not change and His commendments chall nor pass away, Nore that in the book of revelations the ARK of the covenant was seen in heaven, this covenant, the ten commandments are eternal!

rev 11:19;
"Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm."

the Covenant ( the Ten Commandments) is very Important to GOD and will never pass avay.


Blessings

 

[Zao is life]

We can agree to disagree. Paul is difficult to understand and tou do not grasp the proper context. I just want you to see you quoted only paul, for a person who say to trust in jesus, you completely ignore what he said.​

Well I don't agree with your corruption of the gospel, so no I do not agree to anything you say.

You do not grasp that the commandments convict you of sin leading to death and the only way you can fulfill what they were pointing to is to abide in Christ. Nor do you grasp the context of what Paul is saying. The only thing you grasp is the corrupted gospel which is a return to the Old Covenant.

So since you do not trust alone in Christ, the only thing left for me to say to you is,

Good luck - because the ten commandments require your obedience to them.

Perfect obedience = righteousness leading to eternal life.
Failure to obey even once, even in thoughts, desires, words - leads to death. That's why the requirement of obedience to the ten commandments is part of the Old Covenant, not the New Covenant. The New Covenant is a different way through the Spirit of Christ in you, and through your faith in Christ alone.​

 

[Grailhunter]

We can agree to disagree. Paul is difficult to understand and tou do not grasp the proper context. I just want you to see you quoted only paul, for a person who say to trust in jesus, you completely ignore what he said.

Context is the issue here. It is good to be a historian and theologian because as a historian you are always aware of the time period and sequence of events.

Yeshua’s ministry occurred in the Old Covenant were the Mosaic Laws were in affect for Christ and the Apostles and the Jews He was talking to.

It you look at the red letters in your Bible, Yeshua is mostly talking to Jews about the Mosaic Law. He is not converting Jews to Christianity. He is not saying let us put the Mosaic Law a side….they would have stoned Him right there.

He was telling them the Mosaic Law would not change a bit…..and it did not. The Mosaic Law is still in affect for the Jews…..nothing to do with Christians.

Now the Jewish-Christians….the 12 Apostles and Jews that converted to Christianity….they hung on the Mosaic Law in part. Worshipped and sacrificed animals in the Temple on the Saturday Jewish Sabbath. They practiced polygamy and concubinage….why? Christ nor the scriptures never put an end to polygamy and concubinage and polygamy and concubinage was part of their heritage for Jewish-Christians.

Enter the Apostle Paul and his ministry to the Pagans that they called Gentiles. The Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christians did not get along.

The Jewish-Christians wanted the Gentile-Christians to be circumcised and obey the Mosaic Law to be Christians and Jewish-Christian went on a campaign of harassing Paul and the Gentile-Christians. So Paul went to Jerusalem to have a meeting to settle this….Act chapter 15. The rulling and letter sent out was that the Gentile-Christians did not have to observe the 613 Mosaic Laws. Except abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

The Jewish-Christians sect died out by the first century and the Gentile-Christians took the helm of the church from there.

 

[amigo de christo]

Basic morals are taught in the New Covenant.
No need to look to the Old Covenant unless you want to abandon Christianity for Judaism.
The Mosaic Laws are a failed set of Laws.
I am not going to repeat myself. Do you want to be in the Old Coveanant or the New....your choice but you cannot be in both.

Grail hunter i leave thee to thineself . I did what i could my friend .
But something is way off with you my friend .
PS , trump and interfaith and the nar realm wont be saving sqaut .
YOU all act LIKE i am the one going against the gospel . and spout legalism at me .
TRY seeing
interfaith for the anti christ satanic peace it is . ITS ALL a lie . yall gonna hug everything to hades my friend .
Trump and the popes and the liberal left and most all of christendom gonna take the this world down to peridtion
through a false love satanic dung pile . A pile of dung i will have NOTHING to do with .

 

[amigo de christo]

Basic morals are taught in the New Covenant.
No need to look to the Old Covenant unless you want to abandon Christianity for Judaism.
The Mosaic Laws are a failed set of Laws.
I am not going to repeat myself. Do you want to be in the Old Coveanant or the New....your choice but you cannot be in both.

you still didnt explain away HOW paul used the law . DO keep trying . but i iaint buying .
YOu aint said one thing about the proof i brought showing PAUL used the law to correct . And remember INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST .

 

[marks]

Good luck - because the ten commandments require your obedience to them.

All the way through life, that is, so that if you lied when you were a child, that's it, you are a lawbreaker, condemned to death.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Basic morals are taught in the New Covenant.
No need to look to the Old Covenant unless you want to abandon Christianity for Judaism.
The Mosaic Laws are a failed set of Laws.
I am not going to repeat myself. Do you want to be in the Old Coveanant or the New....your choice but you cannot be in both.

nor will i repeat myself . ANY man who cliams to believe ON JESUS the CHRIST
and yet in any way shape form or fashion makes it seem like it might be okay for those who dont .
THEY ALREADY BUYING INTO the DELUSION .
SO DO REMEMBER THAT the next time satans men in both the gentile and jewish realm
IN both sides of politics , in the churches , TRIES TO make believe
like somehow they can love god in thier own way . ITS ALL A FAT LIE . ANTI CHRIST . ITS ANTI CHRIST .
but your beloved trump , vance are in bed with the HARLOT as is THE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE LEFT .
These churches HAVE SOLD JESUS OUT . to a lie they call love . SO
you better never tell a musilm , atheist , new age , or any other religoin , HEY we okay we all serving GOD just love .
THEY all serve satan , JUST like we all did once . NO way to be free FROM SATAN , from the power of darkness
CEPT BY JESUS CHRIST . I KNOW some of you all already believe in a universalsm .
AND none does help me in this fight against that which is of anti christ . THE CHURCHES SOLD OUT buddy .
Sorry to have to bring that news to us , BUT THEY HAVE . maybe not all , BUT MOST have

 

[amigo de christo]

People acting like i am the legalist . Give me a break .
GO to most all my posts and YOU SEE who i be preaching with the reminder that all else is vain .
I dont see hardly anyone else doing that . but i am the legalist according to grailhunter .
PLEASE . there is NO SUCH THING as a legalist . ITS A MADE UP TERM with a few partial truths but lies blended right into it .
THEY dont even know what so called legalism really would be .
In fact the way they go about to teach legalism , its making them out to be the very pharisee they accuse us of being .
GO on . anyone feel free to examine what i write .
I BET YOU WILL NEVER FIND ME JUSTIFYING MYSELF by the law . in fact those who know me best
know i would never dare do such a thing . THEY Know exactly HOW i view myself .
And that I KNOW the only GOODNESS even in me , IS OF GOD , IS OF CHRIST , IS THE SPIRIT . but i am the legalistic
one cause i use the law to correct . and wont allow a false love that gives the idea trangression and sin is okay .
Paul used the law as a reminder to correct . NEVER TO JUSTIFY ONESELF , but to correct .

 

[amigo de christo]

All the way through life, that is, so that if you lied when you were a child, that's it, you are a lawbreaker, condemned to death.

Much love!

TOTAL PROOF ONE NEEDS TO BELIEVE ON JESUS TO BE SAVED .
so why are we going along with interfaith interreligious dialgoue .
WHY are so many trying to find common ground with darkness .
WHY are so many DOING the work of anti christ and many of them are also within CHRISTENDOM .
SATAN can SAY GOD IS LOVE
but beware the broad path he makes outta that love . FOR SINS will be accepted , UNBELIEF IN CHRIST will be accepted
on that path . WE BEEN DUPED mark . so much for the judge not correct not lovey do crap . IT LITERALLY
destroyed these churches and made them ready for and to embrace the LIE of ANTI CHRIST .
Anyone wanna help me expose it . Didnt think so , cause i sure dont seem to get any help
exposing false love , false unity , false liberty , interfaith co exist common ground junk .
RATHER i gets accused by most folks for doing so . OH JUDGE NOT they say ., lets just have unity they say .

 

[amigo de christo]

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This thread is about the covenant described by GOD as the ten commandments, the rest of the Law added by the hand of Moses is in some parts of it not useful anymore such as the sacrificial laws. I am not discussing this here but the base os the covenant, the ten commandments.

If you look closely, you will see in Matthew 28:16-20 and Mark 16:14-20 Jesus instructs the disciples to preach all he did and say to all peoples on earth, It is called the great comission. No excuses here, the message was for both jews and gentiles.

Remember Jesus preached the repentance from sin and the Kingdom of heaven and how to enter it. Please read the story of the rich young man asking Jesus what to do to have eternal life, Jesus replied with the ten commandments! this is the truth, please do nor reject it but I ask you examine these scripture.

Mat 19:16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”

Mat 19:17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Mat 19:18 “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Do you think Jesus being one with GOD changed his mind? Scripture is Clear GOD does not change and His commendments chall nor pass away, Nore that in the book of revelations the ARK of the covenant was seen in heaven, this covenant, the ten commandments are eternal!

rev 11:19;
"Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm."

the Covenant ( the Ten Commandments) is very Important to GOD and will never pass avay.


Blessings

IF under the law by two or three witnesses a man could be put to death .
HOW MUCH WORSE cometh upon those who TROD JESUS under foot . paul says MUCH SORER punshment .
JESUS said it will far worse for you than ever it was for sodom tyre or etc ON the day of judgment .
Now what could be worse than death , OH YEAH THE LAKE OF FIRE ETERNAL DAMANTION . that is far worse .
SO i also need some help from others to help ME to REMIND THIS CHURCH AGE
TO GET the heck away from this false love broad path lie getting sold today . ITS TROD JESUS RIGHT UNDER FOOT