The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Ronald Nolette]

God isn't measured in ounces.

As expected, you reject God's Gold of Hebrews 8:6.

Thanks for the confirmation.

No, I just know who that gold is for. If you kept it in its context and did not reinterpret it you would see who Hebrews 8:6 is for:

Please read teh passage and answer this simple question:

Keeping all this in its context and remembering its original writing in Jeremiah, who is the writer addressing?

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[covenantee]

No, I just know who that gold is for. If you kept it in its context and did not reinterpret it you would see who Hebrews 8:6 is for:

Please read teh passage and answer this simple question:

Keeping all this in its context and remembering its original writing in Jeremiah, who is the writer addressing?

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The Book of Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians, and Hebrews 8:6-13 describes the reality, relevance, and applicability of the New Covenant to them.

1 Corinthians 11
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Who is Paul addressing?

Is the fulfilled New Testament/Covenant in Christ's Blood real, relevant, applicable, and accepted; to you and by you?

 

[covenantee]

Please stop trying to read my soul, you really suck at it! I am most certainly part of the New covenant. You have not been given the authority to decide who is and isn't part of the Body of Christ.

Explain how you are part of the New Covenant that you deny.

Which part is that?

There is nothing that sucks like the denial of the New Covenant, and the Blood of the New Covenant.

Nothing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So Gods word is a blasphemy against God? WOW!

You have no reading comprehension skills. That is not what I said at all. I'm saying your INTERPRETATION of Zechariah 14 is blasphemy because it contradicts Hebrews 10:1-14 which teaches that Jesus's "once for all" sacrifice made animal sacrifices obsolete forever. So, believing that animal sacrifices will be reinstated suggests that Jesus's "one sacrifice for sins for ever" will somehow one day no longer be sufficient, which is blasphemous.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please stop trying to read my soul, you really suck at it! I am most certainly part of the New covenant. You have not been given the authority to decide who is and isn't part of the Body of Christ.

I'm reading your words which gave that impression. When it comes to communicating, you really suck at it! Just like you really suck at reading comprehension.

So, if you believe that you are part of the new covenant, then why do you say the new covenant is not yet fully in effect? Who is the new covenant currently withheld from, keeping in mind that God wants all people to be saved?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Explain how you are part of the New Covenant that you deny.

Which part is that?

There is nothing that sucks like the denial of the New Covenant, and the Blood of the New Covenant.

Nothing.

This guy is contradicting himself, but he says I'm the one who sucks at reading his soul. But, I'm just responding to things he has said. He can't blame me for his lack of clarity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Book of Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians, and Hebrews 8:6-13 describes the reality, relevance, and applicability of the New Covenant to them.

1 Corinthians 11
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Who is Paul addressing?

Is the fulfilled New Testament/Covenant in Christ's Blood real, relevant, applicable, and accepted; to you and by you?

You gave your answer in the first sentence- Hebrews is written to Jews , though not believers. for the writer would not speak of losing salvation, they would have known eternal security is what Jesus gives.

Parts of the New Covenant is fulfilled partially, but the bulk is not. If you disagree please highlight from history when the different portions of the New covenant were fulfilled:

Jeremiah 31:31-37

King James Version

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Explain how you are part of the New Covenant that you deny.

Which part is that?

There is nothing that sucks like the denial of the New Covenant, and the Blood of the New Covenant.

Nothing.

You still show how badly you suck at knowing what people think. I do not deny the new covenant nor the precious blood that saved my soul

Too bad you try to play god and pretend to know the soul of people.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have no reading comprehension skills. That is not what I said at all. I'm saying your INTERPRETATION of Zechariah 14 is blasphemy because it contradicts Hebrews 10:1-14 which teaches that Jesus's "once for all" sacrifice made animal sacrifices obsolete forever. So, believing that animal sacrifices will be reinstated suggests that Jesus's "one sacrifice for sins for ever" will somehow one day no longer be sufficient, which is blasphemous.

Maybe to you it suggests but the bible says it will happen once again. Not to remove or cover sin, but it will happen. If you think what I said is wrong- please tell me your interpretation and we will see who is more quoting and who is more interpreting.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm reading your words which gave that impression. When it comes to communicating, you really suck at it! Just like you really suck at reading comprehension.

So, if you believe that you are part of the new covenant, then why do you say the new covenant is not yet fully in effect? Who is the new covenant currently withheld from, keeping in mind that God wants all people to be saved?

Well I will take the word of the English teachers at my church, pastors and elders over a covenant replacement theology believer. But that is only on days that end in "Y".

As for the New Covenant please tell me from history (with dates please) when all the provisions of the new covenant went into effect:

Jeremiah 31:31-37

King James Version

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Please shoow when all these decrees of the covenant went into full effect.

 

[Keraz]

Obviously the new Covenant between Jesus and His peoples, is not in effect yet.

More obviously; the Christian peoples -Jew and from every tribe, race, nation and language; ARE the true Israelites of God.

Furthermore; there will be a Millennium reign of Jesus. His Reward from God.

In addition; the Christian peoples in the holy Land, soon after the Lord clears and cleanses all that area, will build a new Temple and make sacrifices and offerings in it.

These truths are absolutely provable from the Bible. Any ideas, theories, or doctrines that contradict them, are false teachings from the pit of hell.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe to you it suggests but the bible says it will happen once again. Not to remove or cover sin, but it will happen. If you think what I said is wrong- please tell me your interpretation and we will see who is more quoting and who is more interpreting.

If scripture says that something has already been fulfilled, such as Jesus putting the new covenant into effect with His shed blood while at the same time making the old covenant and animal sacrifices obsolete forever, that should be our starting point. Whatever the passage means, it can't be talking about something happening in the future because that would contradict Hebrews 10.

You say these supposed future animal sacrifices would not be to remove or cover sin? Are you unaware that the animal sacrifices done in relation to the feast of tabernacles, which you say will be kept again in the future, were done to temporarily remove and cover sin?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Obviously the new Covenant between Jesus and His peoples, is not in effect yet.

It obviously is! What are you talking about? It was put into effect immediately when HE died on the cross!

2 Corinthians 3:4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Was Paul talking about believers being made "ministers of a new covenant" that was not yet in effect? No, of course not! It was in effect the moment that Jesus died after shedding the blood of the new covenant.

More obviously; the Christian peoples -Jew and from every tribe, race, nation and language; ARE the true Israelites of God.

Furthermore; there will be a Millennium reign of Jesus. His Reward from God.

In addition; the Christian peoples in the holy Land, soon after the Lord clears and cleanses all that area, will build a new Temple and make sacrifices and offerings in it.

These truths are absolutely provable from the Bible. Any ideas, theories, or doctrines that contradict them, are false teachings from the pit of hell.

This is very ironic because you are teaching things from the pit of hell! Jesus made animal sacrifices obsolete forever when He "offered for all time one sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 10:12) and took away the old covenant and its animal sacrifices by way of His "once for all" sacrifice that established the new covenant (Heb 8:6-7, Heb 10:9-10).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well I will take the word of the English teachers at my church, pastors and elders over a covenant replacement theology believer.

If the new covenant is not yet in effect then how are we saved and how are our sins forgiven?

Matthew 26:27 Then He took the cup, and after He gave thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.